Abolish private healthcare insurance

[Lucky Luke]

I don't take pics of my owies, nor post pics on the interwebs.

so no pics ..and how many nails have u driven into bone?

 

[mooray]

Zero, I'm not a framer. Wood and other sharp objects? I don't know, because I don't pay ten grand to get xrays and have someone else take them out.

Okay, I'm out for the night. Got better things to do than argue with the Arkansas division of the Antifa Fan Club.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Im surprised that PJ doesnt know how sole traders work and thinks that people who choose to work this way are somehow not as good or successful as those that are employees or have employees.

I do know how they work, and I know that it's not always legal just because they do it.

I don't think that as a universal statement. I do think that someone who calls themselves a building contractor should either hire real employees to drive nails for them, or acquire some skills in their industry which will help to keep them from nailing their own finger.

 

[UncleBuck]

Any of us that have done manual things for a living have had to pull stuff out. Post that in a framers forum and see what they say about ol' UncleMary over there.

You can ask the fellow framers I work with

one guy put in a nail into his leg, shattered the bone, now has a titanium rod there

another gotlucky when the nail went through his thumb joint instead of shattering the bones

another had a siding nail through the hand, another stapled his hand doing tyvek

you seem all bitter about me getting the best of you. Get over it

 

[ChiefRunningPhist]

Contractors bid on a job, some specifics which may be inherent in the contract that they negotiate, but outside of that they don't get told how to do the job they've won the bid for.

In that case you're asking about we were hiring various types of stagehands, from scenic carpenters who brought their own tools, to "freelance" audio engineers. The problem is that these workers were given specific tasks, assignments, and working hours they were required to comply with. Therefore the IRS deemed they should have been employees. I don't know if the company ever got fined for it, as it was actually a governmental entity, and that part of the bureaucracy was outside of my pay class.

Fair enough, I disagree.


Here's some common jobs legally taxed as independent contractors...

• Accountant[citation needed]
• Actor
• Adjunct professor
• Architect
• Auctioneer
• Author
• Barber or hair stylist
• Bookkeeper
• Boxer
• Caddie
• Consultant
• Courier
• Court reporter
• Dry cleaner
• Engineer
• Entertainer
• Fashion model
• Freelance photographer
• Gardener
• General contractor
• General practitioner
• Hairdresser
• Hit-man
• IT professional
• Interpreter or translator
• Juror
• Lawn care worker
• Lawyer
• Lifeguard
• Market stall
• Mason
• Massage therapist
• Medical doctor
• Nurse
• Newspaper carrier
• Paid speaker
• Personal trainer
• Porn star
• PGA golfer
• Swimming pool service technician
• Private investigator
• Private military company
• Prostitute
• Radio presenter (in radio jargon, referred to as a "swing jock")
• Security guard
• Internet sysop[citation needed]
• Office clerk[citation needed]
• Professional wrestler
• Professional athlete
• Real estate agent
• Sales representative
• Snow removal
• Sports official
• Stockbroker
• Stripper / Exotic dancer
• Talent agent
• Tattoo artist
• Taxi driver or limousine driver
• Technical writer
• Telephone and live chat psychic
• Tradesman
• Truck driver/operator
• Tutor
• User experience consultant
• User interface designer

Employment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[PJ Diaz]

this thread is for pj to get embarrassed

It is? LOL, I'm not the idiot who nailed my own finger because my business isn't successful to hire someone to do the dangerous work for me.

I made a clear decision over 10 years ago to not do anything work related as an independent contractor that is too dangerous.

I'm an independent contractor when I rent my gear out, but I'm an employee (covered by worker's comp) when I run that gear for clients.

It's awesome when I get paid union wages to run my own gear which I rented to the end client.

 

[UncleBuck]

I do know how they work

You don’t know how fica or workman’s comp work though. Those are literally the first two things any independent contractor learns

you’re a fraud, sorry

 

[Lucky Luke]

I do know how they work, and I know that it's not always legal just because they do it.

I don't think that as a universal statement. I do think that someone who calls themselves a building contractor should either hire real employees to drive nails for them, or acquire some skills in their industry which will help to keep them from nailing their own finger.

Why would anyone want employees for? I certainly dont, The more employees the more work you need to do. Plus more headache and paperwork.
You seem to be fixated on this "you have to hire people" thing to be legitimate...

 

[UncleBuck]

It is? LOL, I'm not the idiot who nailed my own finger because my business isn't successful to hire someone to do the dangerous work for me.

I made a clear decision over 10 years ago to not do anything work related as an independent contractor that is too dangerous.

I'm an independent contractor when I rent my gear out, but I'm an employee (covered by worker's comp) when I run that gear for clients.

It's awesome when I get paid union wages to run my own gear which I rented to the end client.

Fraudy McFraudster, you’ll be hard pressed to find any f who hasn’t shot themselves with a nail

mans no one buys that you have a business when you’ve already proven you don’t know how fica or workman’s comp work

just give up already

 

[PJ Diaz]

Fair enough, I disagree.


Here's some common jobs legally taxed as independent contractors...

• Accountant[citation needed]
• Actor
• Adjunct professor
• Architect
• Auctioneer
• Author
• Barber or hair stylist
• Bookkeeper
• Boxer
• Caddie
• Consultant
• Courier
• Court reporter
• Dry cleaner
• Engineer
• Entertainer
• Fashion model
• Freelance photographer
• Gardener
• General contractor
• General practitioner
• Hairdresser
• Hit-man
• IT professional
• Interpreter or translator
• Juror
• Lawn care worker
• Lawyer
• Lifeguard
• Market stall
• Mason
• Massage therapist
• Medical doctor
• Nurse
• Newspaper carrier
• Paid speaker
• Personal trainer
• Porn star
• PGA golfer
• Swimming pool service technician
• Private investigator
• Private military company
• Prostitute
• Radio presenter (in radio jargon, referred to as a "swing jock")
• Security guard
• Internet sysop[citation needed]
• Office clerk[citation needed]
• Professional wrestler
• Professional athlete
• Real estate agent
• Sales representative
• Snow removal
• Sports official
• Stockbroker
• Stripper / Exotic dancer
• Talent agent
• Tattoo artist
• Taxi driver or limousine driver
• Technical writer
• Telephone and live chat psychic
• Tradesman
• Truck driver/operator
• Tutor
• User experience consultant
• User interface designer

Employment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Some on that list are true independent contractors. Others could be independent contractors, depending on the specifics.

One job in your list that could go either way, depending on the specifics in Security Guard. If you get a contract as a Security Guard to keep a specific business secure, but you get to decide how you will do that, and what hours you will work to make the building secure, up to your client's standards, then yes it's an independent contractor. Conversely, if you're hired by a night club as a security guard, told when to show up, told how to engage with patrons, and not allowed to leave until you are released, then you should be considered an employee. If a business chooses to engage a worker in the second type of example, that would be illegal employment. Issuing a worker a 1099 in that case would be an IRS violation, as well as a Dept of Labor violation (though they don't really police such things unless a worker files a claim).

 

[PJ Diaz]

Why would anyone want employees for? I certainly dont, The more employees the more work you need to do. Plus more headache and paperwork.
You seem to be fixated on this "you have to hire people" thing to be legitimate...

This is exactly the point. You don't want legit employees because they cost more, so you call them independent contractors. You are in Aus as I recal, so I assume the laws may be different there. Here in the US we have laws to protect workers from this sort of abuse. It's pretty clear from the statements in this thread that most don't really understand the thin line that distinguishes the two.

The fact is that because this was been a widespread problem for years, exasperated recently by app based drivers (Uber, etc), California has recently passed a law (AB5) to further clarify the distinction between employees and independent contractors. Here is the text of the assembly bill itself:

Bill Text - AB-5 Worker status: employees and independent contractors.

 

[Lucky Luke]

This is exactly the point. You don't want legit employees because they cost more, so you call them independent contractors. You are in Aus as I recal, so I assume the laws may be different there. Here in the US we have laws to protect workers from this sort of abuse. It's pretty clear from the statements in this thread that most don't really understand the thin line that distinguishes the two.

The fact is that because this was been a widespread problem for years, exasperated recently by app based drivers (Uber, etc), California has recently passed a law (AB5) to further clarify the distinction between employees and independent contractors. Here is the text of the assembly bill itself:

Bill Text - AB-5 Worker status: employees and independent contractors.

No..i dont hire anyone to work with me or on a job. Employee or contractor. Its just me. Im a Sole Trader. an Independent contractor.
I dont get why u find it so hard to understand.

 

[PJ Diaz]

you’ve already proven you don’t know how fica or workman’s comp work

just give up already

You haven't proven anything of the sort. I've understood this distinction for decades. Lucky for me, I've never nailed my own finger however.

 

[PJ Diaz]

No..i dont hire anyone to work with me or on a job. Employee or contractor. Its just me. Im a Sole Trader. an Independent contractor.
I dont get why u find it so hard to understand.

Why is it hard for you to understand that to be an independent contractor in the US you legally have to fulfill a preponderance of criteria set forth by the IRS, and that many so-called "independent contractors" do not fulfill that set of criteria? In California, where I'm at there are even more stringent requirements than on the federal level. It's likely much different in Australia.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Why is it hard for you to understand that to be an independent contractor in the US you legally have to fulfill a preponderance of criteria set forth by the IRS, and that many so-called "independent contractors" do not fulfill that set of criteria? In California, where I'm at there are even more stringent requirements than on the federal level. It's likely much different in Australia.

Changing the subject again i see.

 

[UncleBuck]

You haven't proven anything of the sort. I've understood this distinction for decades. Lucky for me, I've never nailed my own finger however.

You literally had no idea how fica or workman’s comp worked

congrats on looking it up though I guess, fraudy McFraudster

 

[UncleBuck]

Changing the subject again i see.

She invested a lot of work into that sock puppet account and isn’t giving it up easily

 

[Lucky Luke]

For anyone reading this thread and have thought about being a Sole trader (independent contractor) dont listen to PJ.

You dont have to hire or subcontract people to work with you to be successful. In fact you can work less hours and make more money than being an employee in allot of cases. You set how much you want to earn. Tax system supports you as well. Its a great life.
You dont have to be dodgy like PJ suggest and anyone who is dodgy certainly isnt getting the hrly rates that a good reputation pays.
You are the salesman, the book keeper, receptionist and the shit kicker. Buck stops with you and no one is your boss.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Changing the subject again i see.

Changing the subject? More like pointing out the laws which you don't seem to be aware of. Are you familiar with US labor law, or are you talking about Oz law?

 

[PJ Diaz]

You literally had no idea how fica or workman’s comp worked

Your making a statement does not make it true, and repeating it over and over does not make it any truer.

Sorry, I made a mistake thinking that you are an illegitimate day laborer, which is why I mentioned worker's comp and tax dodging. It was an apparently incorrect assumption I made when I saw that you had such low level skills using power tools. It's also very common in your industry. That fact that you attempt to avoid that fact just shows that you are not being completely truthful.