TreeFiddy350
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I am looking to find a nice white widow mom.
should I go with regular seeds or fem?
should I go with regular seeds or fem?
Finding a good mom
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Boatguy
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Please explain.
I am curious to hear how fem genetics somehow inferior... Aside from the normal herm debate which will destroy this thread rapidly
TreeFiddy350
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Do you usually use fems? I know with fems, your genetic traits are limited, but with regs, it’s a little more open to finding that one plant (from what I’ve been reading). I was hoping to find some experienced growers and tell me what they usually find works best.
I was thinking about getting maybe 20 seeds of some white widow (unsure the breeder or which one. Is) as well as a really good blue dream (I hear Humboldt is where it’s at for BD).
hopefully out of 20 seeds Of each, I’ll be able to find a couple keepers.
Boatguy
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No. I typically grow regs. They are much cheaper.
Just surprised to hear someone say fems are less likely to produce a keeper.
Odds seem in favor of the fem seeds by at least double.
TreeFiddy350
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Not saying you’re wrong, but based on your experience, what makes you say better to go with a fem? Aside from the cost of seeds
Boatguy
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I dont really have an opinion on it. Just seems that based on odds, 100 fems would be more likely to produce a keeper as a mother for clones than 100 regs. Unless you are breeding where the selfing may create a problem
TreeFiddy350
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That makes sense. I was just curious
TreeFiddy350
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What do you mean? I’ve heard rhat before, but not to clear on why people say that and what makes a fake a fake
Gemtree
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It's the original from the guy who made it. Others are most likely backcrosses or not even ww.
Stickyjones
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I think that if ur searching through 50 seeds, whether theyre fem or reg, you should get a bunch of keepers if you go with a good source. Itll be more of figuring out which ones you like the most
TreeFiddy350
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Do you think that is overkill? You think a 10 pack would be good?
Father Ramirez
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Sadly, this is true for just about any seed, any strain, from many breeders. It’s remarkable how quickly we’ve bastardized pure strains. Misnamed on purpose or not, it’s a mess now. Look at any strain and note the % mix posted. Then research that strain with several breeders. Some breeders will have it reversed. I’ve seen this with GG, cookies, train wreck, and others I no longer recall.
I’ve seen a strain declared Sativa dom when buying flower, and Indica dom in oil at the same shop!! If that doesn’t prove that the cannabis landscape is the land of confusion, nothing will.
But to answer OPs question, if you’re looking for a mom, it doesn’t matter if she’s reg or fem because you’ll be using cuttings. It takes two weeks longer with reg is what makes fem seeds appealing. The fem characteristic saves those two weeks. But for me there is the slightly bothersome feeling that the colloidal silver has done something undesirable that we don’t know about, like when a food product is celebrated upon its release, and is later found to be cancer causing. Not that fem weed makes us sick, I’m suggesting it may be a bad idea to screw with Mother Nature.
There is no real need for a mother if you continue rooting cuttings while you veg. Your original pheno selection is still the mom technically; you’re just using many identical moms over time instead of keeping one alive a really long time. And that helps keep all your plants vigorous.
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OzPacks
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because to make female seeds, they spray bud sites on female plants with colloidal silver daily for a few weeks, this tricks the plant into thinking its male, making the bud site that was sprayed produce pollen sacks. that pollen is then used on other female plants and the seeds have a higher chance of being female because no male was ever introduced.
Lucky Luke
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,yes it is.
Lucky Luke
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It was created by Shantibaba
Others may copy but its not the true line. Its still available on the Mr Nice Seedback.
R Burns
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Fem seeds lack things that males bring to the table. Vigor, strength, height are the most obvious. I'm sure there are also many more too. I've grown the same way for 14 yrs. 5x a year, I plant 12 seeds. 11 regs and 1 fem. The fem plant is always the smallest and weakest of the 12. Visually, this is incredibly obvious. I am also concerned about what may be lacking that we can not see. Terps, cannabanoids, other medicinal components, immune system? Idk, but no reason to assume that these are complete plants. Moms should be vigorous, healthy, produce, in it for the long haul. Better chance of this with reg seeds. Complete Moms from regs. I've finished some great fem seeds over the years. Good yields, good bud. Really nice stuff. But when seen next to reg seeds, consistently, easy to see that they are inferior.
Stickyjones
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Yep, one or maybe two 10 packs you should find a nice girl that checks all the boxes as far as what youre looking for. If you have the space and resources, Id reccomend getting a pack of another strain that you think youd like and selecting a second mother. Its nice to have a little variety, expecially after a few weeks or months of the same stuff