Greenwood Massacre aka Tulsa Race Riots - 1921

[UncleBuck]

I am arguing what has been done to a race of people to keep them from achieving in life what the white people in our country has been able to. Education, land ownership, employment, voting rights, criminal justice, every aspect of our country was used to do this.



This new racist troll that racism doesn't exist except for people talking about making our society a fair playing field and that everything aimed to bring up our struggling communities out of poverty is being spammed to the vulnerable white people who feel the way you do. This has nothing to do with feeling one race is superior from my side of this issue, it is that the government was used to keep the vast majority of black people (and other minority communities) in poverty for centuries in out country.


Should have a better life? Why? Is it the guy busting rocks that is paid better or the owner of the company that sits in air conditioning all day? You are confusing racists shit with helping our communities to have the same access that the wealthier neighborhoods have to the American dream.


How much land do you think the grand fathers of black people are able to hand down to their families vs white families in America? How was the property values kept elevated so white people could earn more money as the economy increased. How about education, healthcare, criminal justice, all used by our government to wrong the black community. There is no question that there was severe wrong doing by our government and that by doing the right thing and getting these communities to the level of development that they should be in our society will benefit us all greatly.

You’re talking to a scumbag criminal thief who is also a neonazi

He’s not exactly interested in restitution for those who have been robbed, especially black people

 

[hanimmal]

You’re talking to a scumbag criminal thief who is also a neonazi

He’s not exactly interested in restitution for those who have been robbed, especially black people

Its only going to get worse the more Trump drags our society into the mud with him and has his foreign trolls attack us.

If he learns something from us great, but for me it is more about standing up for what is right and pushing back against these trolls so that anyone that sees this doesn't get sucked into the racist narrative that somehow black people are just lazy and don't want a good life enough to work for it.

 

[kgp]

im gonna steal every penny you have and give it to my family

If you want restitution I’ll say too much time has passed, just leave it in the past

You're not quoting it right.

If you stole all my money, and we both died many years later, and your children had kids and my children had kids, I would never think that your grandchildren should pay back my grandchildren for the money you stole from me. See how different that is? YOU stole MY money. You would be responsible for my reparations. Your wrong would have nothing to do with your or my kids.

 

[hanimmal]

You're not quoting it right.

If you stole all my money, and we both died many years later, and your children had kids and my children had kids, I would never think that your grandchildren should pay back my grandchildren for the money you stole from me. See how different that is? YOU stole MY money. You would be responsible for my reparations. Your wrong would have nothing to do with your or my kids.

You are acting like our government is white people. Our government belongs to all of us. Our government caused severe imbalances in our society (oh boy I can see @Rob Roy salivating over that line) that we need to eradicate. Nobody is stealing anything from you today, everything not the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male agenda is not socialism.

 

[kgp]

I am arguing what has been done to a race of people to keep them from achieving in life what the white people in our country has been able to. Education, land ownership, employment, voting rights, criminal justice, every aspect of our country was used to do this.



This new racist troll that racism doesn't exist except for people talking about making our society a fair playing field and that everything aimed to bring up our struggling communities out of poverty is being spammed to the vulnerable white people who feel the way you do. This has nothing to do with feeling one race is superior from my side of this issue, it is that the government was used to keep the vast majority of black people (and other minority communities) in poverty for centuries in our country.


Should have a better life? Why? Is it the guy busting rocks that is paid better or the owner of the company that sits in air conditioning all day? You are confusing racists shit with helping our communities to have the same access that the wealthier neighborhoods have to the American dream.


How much land do you think the grand fathers of black people are able to hand down to their families vs white families in America? How was the property values kept elevated so white people could earn more money as the economy increased. How about education, healthcare, criminal justice, all used by our government to wrong the black community. There is no question that there was severe wrongdoing by our government and that by doing the right thing and getting these communities to the level of development that they should be in our society will benefit us all greatly.

Fair is fair. Fair is equal. Fair should not be an advantage over someone else especially because of a skin color.

More blacks are in the NBA than whites, so you feel they should lower the rim for white players because statistically they cant jump as high? Do you feel like whites who run track in the olympics should get a head start from usain bolt to "level the playing field" or "give them a more fair opportunity" to win the race? There are multiple instances I can use. And I think fair is fair. Leave the rules and starting points equal. If the white race cant make it to the nba or being a track star, try harder. Or maybe they will never make it but deserve a fair shot.

My parents left me debt, so I can relate. I inherited nothing. I don't want sympathy or a hand out. I want fair competition that I can succeed by working hard. Not because of my past or ancestors. I want a fair shot in modern day life. I want to get the job because of my work, not to lose it to someone else not as good because the color of their skin. If a black person can do a better job, they should get it based on merit.

 

[kgp]

You are acting like our government is white people. Our government belongs to all of us. Our government caused severe imbalances in our society (oh boy I can see @Rob Roy salivating over that line) that we need to eradicate. Nobody is stealing anything from you today, everything not the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male agenda is not socialism.

Our government made it right at the end of the civil war and later when they did away with segregation. We are all equal.

 

[UncleBuck]

You're not quoting it right.

If you stole all my money, and we both died many years later, and your children had kids and my children had kids, I would never think that your grandchildren should pay back my grandchildren for the money you stole from me. See how different that is? YOU stole MY money. You would be responsible for my reparations. Your wrong would have nothing to do with your or my kids.

Little wonder to see a thief try to justify robbing people

Racist scumbag criminal

 

[UncleBuck]

Our government made it right at the end of the civil war and later when they did away with segregation. We are all equal.

Do you think anyone but your fellow neo nazis believe that, criminal?

 

[kgp]

Little wonder to see a thief try to justify robbing people

Racist scumbag criminal

Pay no attnetion that my post made complete sense. Your only argument is insults.

 

[UncleBuck]

Pay no attnetion that my post made complete sense. Your only argument is insults.

You think it’s ok to rob people.

It is not ok to rob people. If you rob people, you should pay them back

Those of us who weren’t sent to prison for robbing people understand this, thief

You don’t

 

[kgp]

You think it’s ok to rob people.

It is not ok to rob people. If you rob people, you should pay them back

Those of us who weren’t sent to prison for robbing people understand this, thief

You don’t

I've been robbed many many times. I paid my debt to society and restitution or "reparations" as you would call them.

I have tried to right every wrong I have done in my life. I have a clear conscious. Many people have done wrong, I'm sure you have too. I'm not here to judge you. Its called life. We have all done things we shouldn't have, especially in our teenage years. I am sure some of the black people you are sticking up for have done things they shouldn't have. Is it okay because they were black and poor? But a poor white kid should forever be reminded of the mistakes he has made? Its the people who recognize this and change their ways that can prove they can overcome the odds and live productive lives, making sure they take care of their own. Im proud of who I am and everything I have overcome. You could never change that.

 

[Fogdog]

Fair is fair. Fair is equal. Fair should not be an advantage over someone else especially because of a skin color.

More blacks are in the NBA than whites, so you feel they should lower the rim for white players because statistically they cant jump as high? Do you feel like whites who run track in the olympics should get a head start from usain bolt to "level the playing field" or "give them a more fair opportunity" to win the race? There are multiple instances I can use. And I think fair is fair. Leave the rules and starting points equal. If the white race cant make it to the nba or being a track star, try harder. Or maybe they will never make it but deserve a fair shot.

My parents left me debt, so I can relate. I inherited nothing. I don't want sympathy or a hand out. I want fair competition that I can succeed by working hard. Not because of my past or ancestors. I want a fair shot in modern day life. I want to get the job because of my work, not to lose it to someone else not as good because the color of their skin. If a black person can do a better job, they should get it based on merit.

I think you forgot to mention that racism ended with the conclusion of the Civil War.

 

[UncleBuck]

I've been robbed many many times. I paid my debt to society and restitution or "reparations" as you would call them.

I have tried to right every wrong I have done in my life. I have a clear conscious. Many people have done wrong, I'm sure you have too. I'm not here to judge you. Its called life. We have all done things we shouldn't have, especially in our teenage years. I am sure some of the black people you are sticking up for have done things they shouldn't have. Is it okay because they were black and poor? But a poor white kid should forever be reminded of the mistakes he has made? Its the people who recognize this and change their ways that can prove they can overcome the odds and live productive lives, making sure they take care of their own. Im proud of who I am and everything I have overcome. You could never change that.

Generations of whites stole from generations of black Americans

They should pay that back.

It’s really a simple argument to understand if you’re not a neo nazi who had to be sent to prison for robbing people

 

[kgp]

Generations of whites stole from generations of black Americans

They should pay that back.

It’s really a simple argument to understand if you’re not a neo nazi who had to be sent to prison for robbing people

Again, If you robbed me and died, your ancestors should not be held responsible for your wrong doing. It goes with you in your grave. Nothing left to discuss.

 

[Fogdog]

Again, If you robbed me and died, your ancestors should not be held responsible for your wrong doing. It goes with you in your grave. Nothing left to discuss.

An injured party can sue the estate of the guilty even after his death. This is not a new idea. I can understand why you wouldn't want to participate in reparations although your participation would not be more than paying your taxes just like everybody else does. Assuming you pay taxes that is.

This isn't a moral issue. It's just about repairing damage. It's also not just about cutting checks although some of that is probably part of the prescription. You white supremacists sure are touchy about the past but it's not even about that. It's about a better future.

 

[kgp]

Who said anything about guilt? It's called reparations, not guilt.

This isn't a moral issue. It's just about repairing damage. It's also not just about cutting checks although some of that is probably part of the prescription. You white supremacists sure are touchy about the past but it's not even about that. It's about a better future.

Who did say anything about guilt? I didn't?

Its not a moral issue? What kind of issue is it? Definitely not legal...

I will offer to right any wrong doing I have ever done. I am not responsible for anyone's actions but my own. I will not be held accountable for things other people have done especially that has to do with race. I cannot change who I was born and am not responsible for anything that I have not done personally. My children won't be help responsible for my actions. FOr anyone to think that is right is crazy talk.

And have the nerve to call me a white supremacist? I am preach everyone is equal. You are the ones that want to give people free shit solely because of their skin color. You want minorities, more specific blacks to have more than another race. You sir, are racist.

Or maybe you just hate who you are, where you came from, or have many other mental illness?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Again, If you robbed me and died, your ancestors should not be held responsible for your wrong doing. It goes with you in your grave. Nothing left to discuss.

So if your dad gassed Jews after stealing their valuables, you get to keep them?

Nope.

You are a dumb person.

 

[Fogdog]

Who did say anything about guilt? I didn't?

Its not a moral issue? What kind of issue is it? Definitely not legal...

I will offer to right any wrong doing I have ever done. I am not responsible for anyone's actions but my own. I will not be held accountable for things other people have done especially that has to do with race. I cannot change who I was born and am not responsible for anything that I have not done personally. My children won't be help responsible for my actions. FOr anyone to think that is right is crazy talk.

And have the nerve to call me a white supremacist? I am preach everyone is equal. You are the ones that want to give people free shit solely because of their skin color. You want minorities, more specific blacks to have more than another race. You sir, are racist.

Or maybe you just hate who you are, where you came from, or have many other mental illness?

It's just a matter of logic. It's only a matter of race because you racists make it so. Racists like you justified slavery through racism but really, it's only a matter of logic of how to repair damage made to others and yes, legal reparations.

Kamala Harris made a very good explanation of the situation in an interview on NPR:


Can you give me an idea of one possible form this could take?

KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. You can look at the issue of untreated and undiagnosed trauma. African-Americans have higher rates of heart disease and high blood pressure. It is environmental. It is centuries of slavery, which was a form of violence where women were raped, where children were taken from their parents - violence associated with slavery. And that never - there was never any real intervention to break up what had been generations of people experiencing the highest forms of trauma. And trauma, undiagnosed and untreated, leads to physiological outcomes.

INSKEEP: We're talking about the same thing as post-traumatic stress from a war.

HARRIS: Sure.

INSKEEP: That's the kind of thing we're talking about.

HARRIS: Absolutely. But listen; when - unless there's intervention done, it will appear to be, perhaps, generational. But it's generational only because the environment has not experienced a significant enough change to reverse the symptoms. You need to put resources and direct resources - extra resources - into those communities that have experienced that trauma.

Sen. Kamala Harris On Reparations

Sen. Kamala Harris, a candidate for president, is floating a new idea: funding for mental health treatment as a form of reparations for slavery. She talks with NPR's Steve Inskeep.

www.npr.org

So, what did Harris propose we do? She endorsed studying and identifying the best ways to address all the trauma and economic harm heaped upon African Americans.

 

[UncleBuck]

And have the nerve to call me a white supremacist?

The slogan of the biggest white supremacy website on the planet is “white pride”

You have literally stated the exact same thing

I have chased off dozens if not hundreds of white supremacist losers like you. It’s always the same boring, stupid shit

Save us both the bother and just go the fuck away already you rancid turd

 

[hanimmal]

Again, If you robbed me and died, your ancestors should not be held responsible for your wrong doing. It goes with you in your grave. Nothing left to discuss.

I think you are getting hung up on the 'us' and 'them' nonsense. Nobody is going to come take anything from you that they will then give to black people.

Think 'Citizens United', corporations are under law basically deemed people that can live forever. Eventually they may be held accountable for things that others before the current leadership did wrong that hurt people. This is like our government. Our government also is accountable for its previous actions, even if the people who were directly impacted are not alive.

We need to get our communities to a level playing field. Your sports analogy falls short because you are confusing racism of the past that has caused these communities great generational harm to it being because of whatever it is you believe.

You want minorities, more specific blacks to have more than another race.

I was going to go through more of your posts, but you tossed this out there right before calling people racist just like a racist troll would to make any conversation impossible. This is pure bullshit, why even put this out if you are not just determined to play the troll game?

HARRIS: Absolutely. But listen; when - unless there's intervention done, it will appear to be, perhaps, generational. But it's generational only because the environment has not experienced a significant enough change to reverse the symptoms. You need to put resources and direct resources - extra resources - into those communities that have experienced that trauma.

I would love to see her on the big stage with Trump, she is the best person to deal with this issue IMO because she can take the racism that Trump will use AOC and the 'squad' to get all the easily duped white people into a racist frenzy and use it to nail him to the wall in a way that Biden cannot ever hope to do.