New to growing and thinking of going DWC? Don't

[yummy fur]

You're right, you can call it what you want.
But there are methods that already exist, so it is easier to stick to the same name.
Kratky for example is the inventor of a certain system.

I also get your system to a certain point.
The only thing that puzzles me is: where the middle tote is for?
Would it also not run without that?
What would be the difference?

Sure it will run without that, there are limitless ways to run hydroponic. What I've done is design a something that eliminates all the problems that I see people have problems with. The middle tub is where it becomes a SWC, the shallow water is the one inch pool on the bottom of the middle tub, the rest of the space there fills up with a springy root mass. This requires no ayirstone. But it's more than that, it can easily take a self supported scrog, it can have the reservoir underneath or it could be put on a stand with the res separate, etc and so on. Everyone talks about hydro but they never show their talk, I do. Hydro dope is dead easy, there's nothing to do except complicate it with bullshit.

 

[rob333]

DWC is also called bubbleponics.
The only difference so far as I know is just the size of the tote or bucket. For the rest it is the same.
it is mostly a 'word'-difference, but using all those different kind of abbreviations, makes it all more fuzzy.
Especially for new growers who think 'I must get SWC, because it is way better then DWC'.

Another general note: For helping people understanding topics it would be nice if people would do their best to write proper English.
I am not a language expert as well, but I try the best I can.
Reading posts that have more similarities with tweets coming from some lazy rapper are annoying to read.

if you think so but dwc is far from bubbleponics mate

 

[DaFreak]

Another week goes by and I see more threads about root rot with dwc and swc. And I’ll tell you yummy, your system as is under the right circumstances could still get root rot. Ever live in the tropics where the temp is 40c?

 

[5BY5LEC]

This whole thread reads like a Ford-Chevy argument on the motor forums lol.

 

[icetech]

This whole thread reads like a Ford-Chevy argument on the motor forums lol.

Honestly, i don't get why it exists or why one person keeps bringing it up.. i am trying DWC for the first time myself.. if it fails i will figure why and try again or go back to coir.. it's really not something that needs this much BS about.

 

[dstroy]

Another week goes by and I see more threads about root rot with dwc and swc. And I’ll tell you yummy, your system as is under the right circumstances could still get root rot. Ever live in the tropics where the temp is 40c?

You should post a pic of your tent soil grow.

 

[DaFreak]

Honestly, i don't get why it exists or why one person keeps bringing it up.. i am trying DWC for the first time myself.. if it fails i will figure why and try again or go back to coir.. it's really not something that needs this much BS about.

And yet you add more bs. You are going to try dwc because you believe you will get more weed period. If you do you will believe that dwc is the reason and continue the bs.

 

[DaFreak]

You should post a pic of your tent soil grow.

I would if I had a soil grow. I do hydro

 

[dstroy]

I would if I had a soil grow. I do hydro

Let’s see it then

 

[xtsho]

I've done DWC. It's a great method. I grow in coco now. Reason? I got tired of dealing with DWC. Topping off, changing out nutes, airstones, pumps, etc... I've since gone to coco and blumats. Set it and forget it other than filling the reservoir maybe once a week. Sure save a lot of time and hassle. But there is nothing wrong with DWC. I just don't want to deal with the extra hassle compared to how I grow now.

 

[DaFreak]

Let’s see it then

It’s not a pissing contest, you don’t get that. It’s about helping new growers get the same results without the nonsense. Growers in dtw get anywhere from 0.5 to 2.0 gpw depending on their strain and abilities

 

[DaFreak]

I've done DWC. It's a great method. I grow in coco now. Reason? I got tired of dealing with DWC. Topping off, changing out nutes, airstones, pumps, etc... I've since gone to coco and blumats. Set it and forget it other than filling the reservoir maybe once a week. Sure save a lot of time and hassle. But there is nothing wrong with DWC. I just don't want to deal with the extra hassle compared to how I grow now.

There is nothing wrong with any method, but there are lots of threads about root rot out there.

 

[OldMedUser]

It’s not a pissing contest, you don’t get that. It’s about helping new growers get the same results without the nonsense. Growers in dtw get anywhere from 0.5 to 2.0 gpw depending on their strain and abilities

Nice plant(s) Freak!

What are you growing that in? Pot size, media, nutes etc?

Hoping mine will start bulking up soon. 45 days and bud growth seems to have stalled so hoping for the big swell their last couple weeks. Most are just in 2.5 gal pots so less plants/bigger pots for the next batch methinks.

 

[DaFreak]

I use pro-mix BX in 5 gallon pots and just tap water with GH 3 part between 700 and 900ppm. I like to get plenty of run-off and flush them with every feeding. When I say flush I mean the goal is to wash away the built-up salt with the new feeding, not to get it down to zero. One can read their run-off to see where they are or just watch their plants. I do think reading the run-off for the first cycle or two is a great thing for a new grower to do to understand what's going on.

 

[OldMedUser]

That runoff idea sounds like a plan. Might just do that with some final feed bloom nute mix to get the girls thru to the end. Been feeding way less than recommended with the Mega Crop nutes and it's my first time with them but they all seem to have low levels of nute burn.

PITA when you have a dozen pots to flush and no sink or shower to to sit them in to drain. Time to clean out the shop vac and use the wet side of the wet/dry function.

I'm using ProMix HP with mine so basically the same media. Experimental round with strains and nutes I haven't used before either so should go better the next crop. Still figuring on a couple of elbows or close to it from the 12 girls.

 

[DaFreak]

Propagation tray to collect runoff, two pots to tray, just stick s concrete stepping stone beneath so they aren’t sitting in runoff

Wetbav a must. Like $20. I like the one that goes on buckets so I can just swap them out

 

[dstroy]

It’s not a pissing contest, you don’t get that. It’s about helping new growers get the same results without the nonsense. Growers in dtw get anywhere from 0.5 to 2.0 gpw depending on their strain and abilities

Yeah it’s not a pissing contest I just like to verify that people dispensing advice can grow healthy plants.

 

[OldMedUser]

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Propagation tray to collect runoff, two pots to tray, just stick s concrete stepping stone beneath so they aren’t sitting in runoff

Wetbav a must. Like $20. I like the one that goes on buckets so I can just swap them out

I never water enough to need a vac unless I'm actually wanting a bit of a flush. All the pots are in catch trays but I just give them enough that what does run out gets sucked back up. Been meaning to rig up a small sink to drain to my sump downstairs. Excess water has to be hauled up to be dumped in the garden or toilet to get rid of it now so something to be avoided.

Thinking of going to a DTW setup once I build my addition to the grow room. That would save me so much work.

Stupid garden centers all closed down for the season already up here and I badly need at least one more big bale of HP to see me thru the winter. Have about 3/4 of one left but may have to reuse whats in the pots the girls are growing in now. 50/50 split should be OK but I prefer fresh. I'll just add some extra dolomite to any blend and could grow the THC plants in DWC for the stoner crowd so the CBD stuff can have a more medical type media.

 

[DaFreak]

Yeah it’s not a pissing contest I just like to verify that people dispensing advice can grow healthy plants.

Is that what you do? You “verify” people do you? If you knew growing you would read my advice and wouldn’t ask me to verify anything because my knowledge does that. What you were hoping for was either for me to not post or post a plant you could rag on. Learn to talk like a man and come back when you do.

 

[DaFreak]

I never water enough to need a vac unless I'm actually wanting a bit of a flush. All the pots are in catch trays but I just give them enough that what does run out gets sucked back up. Been meaning to rig up a small sink to drain to my sump downstairs. Excess water has to be hauled up to be dumped in the garden or toilet to get rid of it now so something to be avoided.

Thinking of going to a DTW setup once I build my addition to the grow room. That would save me so much work.

Stupid garden centers all closed down for the season already up here and I badly need at least one more big bale of HP to see me thru the winter. Have about 3/4 of one left but may have to reuse whats in the pots the girls are growing in now. 50/50 split should be OK but I prefer fresh. I'll just add some extra dolomite to any blend and could grow the THC plants in DWC for the stoner crowd so the CBD stuff can have a more medical type media.

Yeah I got to lug buckets to the toilet every 3 days from the runoff. I got 3 tents 4 plants each so 20 pounds up the stairs. At least once a year I twitch my back going around corners etc. might be adding a toilet downstairs for myself because apparently everybody in house is synchronized and dying unless daddy gets out of the bathroom now. Fcking kids.

edit: Also wanted to point out to other people that your way of doing it, without much run-off just means that you have to have it more dialed in and I'm sure you throw a watering in without nutes time to time. It can be done that way obviously but I think it takes a grower who is more sensitive to what's going on to do it.