Al B. FAQt

[DoobyDoo]

Dear Al,

I fawked up and would like some assistance. First time grower so I figured something would go wrong, but this kind of has me worried. I'm in soil, have been feeding with 10mL/gal (mixed measuring systems FTW!) of Tiger Bloom, haven't had any problems. A few weeks ago I added 2.5mL (a half dose) of Grow Big to the mix without any problems. I did the same thing last feeding, and my plants got burned. The two biggest ones took the hardest hits, too. I flushed them all with 3gal of water as soon as I noticed, probably a day or two after the burning happened (I was real busy for a few days and wasn't paying very close attention). The damage seems to have stopped and the colas seem to have a bit of new growth, but I wanted your opinion: is this thing toast? It is on day 42 of flowering.

Honestly, I'm confused as hell as to what caused this. I'm thinking one of two things: 1) During those days I was busy as hell, I didn't completely "un-seal" my closet one of those days and ventilation wasn't the best. Temperatures could have gotten too high, burning the plants. 2) I got distracted while mixing nutes and added an extra 5mL of Tiger Bloom. 3) Some combination of the two things. 4) Something else completely.

The damaged plants feel crispy and brittle... even healthy-looking leaves snap off if I even brush up against them. Needless to say, I'm rather bummed... but oh well, live and learn.

Edit: The bigger colas on the burned plants have also started sagging a bit in the last couple days. I'm hoping this is due to the size of the colas and not my frying them, but that is likely too much to hope for. Any suggestions there would help too. TIA!

 

[BigBudBalls]

Yeah, that's what I''m talking about, the cut of the blank and the roll/polish of the edge. I'm a -4.75 to -5 so my lenses are thick. With a rough cut edge and no roll & polish, not only does it look bad, but high-index polycarbonate will chip easily unless an edge break is put on it.

Actually High index isn't polyparb. (also stinks like a mutha when grinding it) Typical materials are CR39, polycarb and High Index. -5? How many hands am I holding up? Its not that bad, but yeah, edges will get thick depending on frame style.

A bad workman blames the tools. That's what happened here.

I've said this many a time (been uilty of it at times too)

Oh yeah, I do- and they're not happy with me for doing so, either. I don't think it's too muckin' futch to ask to have the job done competently. Their polish wheel only did half the edge of the lens. Either the lens wasn't set in the machine properly or the machine is screwed up, but they never should have called me and said they were ready if they weren't. The person assembling the spex either didn't know what a good roll & polish looked like or didn't even check after taking the lens off the machine.

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For the mark up they charge, yes they can/must do a good job. Beveling and polishing is just an extra step on a modern machine. Though beveling is faster and can be nicer when done by hand. But I'd go with he deblocked it before checking the lens. And tossing it back on the lensometer and back into edger would have taken him a whole 10 minutes for the pair.

Oh shit! I just saw polished 1/2 the edge. Like back 1/2 of the lens? If so they are using cheap ass blocking tape. Its deflecting too much on the wheel. 3M is the only good stuff out there.

 

[fitzyno1]

Thanks for the thanks, bert.

You might look at the Odorsok line of carbon filters.

They are available in several lengths and diameters, some are especially well suited to smaller grows and limited space applications. Carbon filters should be driven with a centrif blower.

I use UV fluoro ozone generators from Uvonair for odor control.

They work generally well but sometimes don't keep up with the airflow generated by my 600CFM exhaust blower, esp when tray #4 is in wk 8 of flowering. Every once in a while I can detect a tiny scent where I shouldn't. If my nearest neighbour wasn't 1km away, I'd get a carbon filter.

Al, i use a carbon filter for 8 plants at the minute and think it's great. But i'll be starting up a setup like yours very soon in a different location, and i will have to make a new growroom. I'll be using a carbon filter in that room as well, but odor will be a main concern. The carbon filter exaust will be going into an attic. It's costing quite a bit to set up and i dont want to be splashing-out on more expensive gear.
I was wondering if you have ever heard of anyone using an Odor Neutralizing Agent (ONA) and some absorbing crystals (Soil Moist), in a bucket and fan?
Here is a link to a DIY Odor Neutralizing Machine:
DIY Odor Neutralizing Machine. *step by step* - Grasscity.com Forums
I was thinking of making a few of those, one for the growroom, one for the attic and one for the mothers (mothers will be in a different room).
I've never heard of this stuff, an was wondering if i'd i be wasting my time?
Or do you think they'd work?

 

[grandpabear3]

hi al......long time-ish

off topic i know, but i gotta say you really let one of the crazies slip thru the cracks and get past the screening process at fuct industries. that damn sparkafire is just running around all willy nilly reaking havoc and shittin on peoples porches. please be more responsible in the future with handing out honorary skewl of fuct diploma's. this guys dangerous. and he's mean to boot.....not shity sarcastic like us grown folks.....more cantankerous, ya know???

 

[sparkafire]

Ahhhh Sorry Al I think someone might have snapped under pressure...... Sorry about that.

 

[paperfetti]

I did miss it, sorry.



Looks like heat damage. You're looking for 24-26C (75.2-78.8F). You have a peak-memory recording thermometer, don't you? What has the temp range been at plant level? What kind of light is over this plant and how close is it to the leaves?

COME ON AL,
what are u doing to me here?..what the hell is a peak memory thermometer??..i have a hygrometer if thats that then yes,but temps usually are around 78-83f humidity is around 60-65%..and the lights are multi spec cfl's (yes i know how much the pros hate these) and i have the light like a inch away from plants..i forgot to mention that,when i changed water i thought it was rather warm than normal and i got nervous and put a few ice cubes in res to sorta cool the temps.please dont tell me a disaster story,please tell me this is fixable thanx for everything

 

[GypsyBush]

Hey Al...

I just wanted to take a moment and Thank You...!!!

You and your threads have been a source of inspiration and knowledge...

With your help... and the help of RIU... and a little bit of luck with the post orifice... I am very close to finishing my grow tent...

Your advice on the HIDs was invaluable, and the ability to have a 600 watt HPS 10 inches from my plants is IRREPLACEABLE...

Pretty soon a new batch of clones will be moving in, and I am already jumping in joy...

Much Respect and Many Thanks...!!!

Gypsy...

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[doktorgreenthumb420]

thanks Al for the info i will change bulb to hps and use koolbloom like week 5 ...here is a pic of one of those clones i tried of that problematic ppp mother plant anyway ty for advice and i will be instituting RW back into the system

 

[doktorgreenthumb420]

hey paperfetti a peak memory thermometer is a thermometer that will record the maximum and minimum temps a room ever gets so it lets you know how cold iit got at its coldest point of night (lights off time) and how hot during the hot part of day (lights on time)

sorry had to answer that one hope i wasnt out of place Al tell me if i was hehe

much respect

doktorgreenthumb420

 

[paperfetti]

Gypsy...

YO GYPSY ARE THOSE AIR DUCTS CONNECTED TO YOUR COOL TUBE ON BOTH ENDS?

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[paperfetti]

Well i guess i dont have that..just a basic hygroneter..definately dont think answering a simple question like that for a noob wasnt out of place..did u see al's setup??..i know he enjoys helping us out in all,but cmon..whats a peak memory whatever?..noob shit lol
thanx for helping out friend

 

[paperfetti]

Is ppp a difficult starin or something??..why problematic?
AND HOW DOES IT SMOKE?

 

[NLXSK1]

thanks Al for the info i will change bulb to hps and use koolbloom like week 5 ...here is a pic of one of those clones i tried of that problematic ppp mother plant anyway ty for advice and i will be instituting RW back into the system

All I can tell from that picture is that you dont clean your fingernails very well...

 

[GypsyBush]

YO GYPSY ARE THOSE AIR DUCTS CONNECTED TO YOUR COOL TUBE ON BOTH ENDS?

Yup! they sure are.... I put an "S" turn inside to accommodate changes in height...

 

[NLXSK1]

Update...

The plant in cube "C" is drooping, and the plant in cube "D" one of the new leaves tip is starting to turn yellow... My weed baron days are numbered


Temperature may be too high and I am trying to lower it but the humidity is suffering. One thermometer says I am at about 84 degrees another says 85-86 (30C). They may have been overwatered since I had the cubes to 30grams a few times and they drop about 4-5 grams/12 hours. Humidity is dropping to between 25 & 40 to lower the temps.

I decided to feed them some light nutes and back off on the watering a little bit. Mixed 1ml/L Canna nutes + 1.5ml/L H202 and dipped them to weigh between 19-22grams this morning.

 

[Return of the Spork]

Clones again...


Bout half have normally green leaves and are slightly hunched over but nothing I'm worried about.

Other half just have very little rigidity and the leaves are dark green and hunched over and very limp. I don't see how it could be overwatering though because I'm not misting and the cubes are definitely not wet.

Or should I be misting? Just want to know if there is something critical I should be doing to save them? I am fine waiting it out if that is the best course of action.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

When do you recommend I start feeding them nutrients and when do you think I should lower the lighting for them? The lights are 3 42W(150) CFL's at about 7-8" currently.

You can start them on weak nutes (400ppm) now. Let them make their 2nd set of true leaves before dropping the light, hold it to about 12"/300mm until they make their 2nd set of leaves.

is this thing toast?

It probably won't yield well because most of the leaves are cooked.

Flowering additives are used in hydro systems in wk5 of flowering, only. You're using soil; there could be other nutes in there that you may or may not be aware of that helped you cook them.

As a general rule, 'more' isn't better when growing plants.

For the mark up they charge, yes they can/must do a good job.

No doubt. They want me to take them imperfect and I'm having none of it. I had to do another 100km round trip to the shop yesterday on their advice that the work was done- it wasn't. Now, I'm annoyed. And I'm wearing 3 year old spex while my 2007 pair is fitted with reading lenses. I won't be on RIU much until I can get some proper spex.

I was wondering if you have ever heard of anyone using an Odor Neutralizing Agent (ONA) and some absorbing crystals (Soil Moist), in a bucket and fan?

Counter-scent agents don't generally work well. Moreover, their scents can be a giveaway all on their own. O3 & carbon filters leave zero scent.

hi al......long time-ish

off topic i know, but i gotta say you really let one of the crazies slip thru the cracks and get past the screening process at fuct industries. that damn sparkafire is just running around all willy nilly reaking havoc and shittin on peoples porches. please be more responsible in the future with handing out honorary skewl of fuct diploma's. this guys dangerous. and he's mean to boot.....not shity sarcastic like us grown folks.....more cantankerous, ya know???

Well hell, when a Fuct Industries licence looks like this...

...it's not surprising that the licensees are getting all shitty.

COME ON AL,
what are u doing to me here?..

giving you your money's worth.

what the hell is a peak memory thermometer??..

A thermometer that remebers the high & low temp extremes.

i have a hygrometer if thats that then yes,but temps usually are around 78-83f humidity is around 60-65%..

Without a peak mem thermometer, you don't know how hot it's getting. You said in another thread that your temps were touching 86F and you 'knew that was OK.' It ain't.

and the lights are multi spec cfl's (yes i know how much the pros hate these) and i have the light like a inch away from plants.

CFLs make heat, too. If your air temp is wandering up to 86F, you can induce heat damage with CFLs.

Hey Al...

I just wanted to take a moment and Thank You...!!!

You're welcome. Looking good so far.

I decided to feed them some light nutes and back off on the watering a little bit. Mixed 1ml/L Canna nutes + 1.5ml/L H202 and dipped them to weigh between 19-22grams this morning.

Now that your beans have sprouted, drop the temp to 26C max (78.8F).

Good call on backing off on the watering.

Clones again...
Bout half have normally green leaves and are slightly hunched over but nothing I'm worried about.

Other half just have very little rigidity and the leaves are dark green and hunched over and very limp. I don't see how it could be overwatering though because I'm not misting and the cubes are definitely not wet.

Or should I be misting? Just want to know if there is something critical I should be doing to save them? I am fine waiting it out if that is the best course of action.

Pull the limp ones out of the cube, look at the stem tips. If they are shrinking, brown or squishy, cut off the dead tissue and plug them back in the cubes. If you have stem tip rot, you're watering too much for the evaporation rate of your clonebox.

And with that, I'm outta here for a few days until I can get some proper spex. I just can't use the computer on these old ones.

 

[BigBudBalls]

Now, I'm annoyed. And I'm wearing 3 year old spex while my 2007 pair is fitted with reading lenses. I won't be on RIU much until I can get some proper spex.

We can increase our font size in the mean time grandpa!

 

[NLXSK1]

We can increase our font size in the mean time grandpa!

Why dont you just lend him yours BBB?

 

[BigBudBalls]

Why dont you just lend him yours BBB?

He'd only have a monocle then. His vision is twice as bad as mine.

(oh shit. just got that. lol)