Is Trump finished?

[Khyber420]

That sounds exactly like the power struggle between the US and USSR. USSR was the second biggest economy in the world when we toppled them too. They built that economy on 5 year plans by a central communist party controlling everything directly, exactly like China. They were competing and often beating the US in the space race, just like China. And actually China's population is around 1.4 billion.

The Chinese economy is very different than the old Soviet one. It maybe state run to some degree, but it functions according to global market supply and demand. The Soviets didnt really trade, and tried to artificially create and supply what they needed within their own empire. The two economies aren't really similar at all. The culture is also completely different and much more open, and less empire building focused than both the US or the soviets were.

 

[hotrodharley]

The Chinese economy is very different than the old Soviet one. It maybe state run to some degree, but it functions according to global market supply and demand. The Soviets didnt really trade, and tried to artificially create and supply what they needed within their own empire. The two economies aren't really similar at all. The culture is also completely different and much more open, and less empire building focused than both the US or the soviets were.

Further the Chinese stock markets are actually reliant on individual investors at this point. Market fluctuations actually have an immediate effect on the investors who have been identified as China’s newly created “middle class”. Anytime someone loses something in a major way they’re not going to be happy about it. Trump gets criticized and attacked and he digs in. Same with this trade war. China has just dug in. You’ll see Trump either retreat or suddenly start being satisfied with what he’s gotten so far. Or his trade war will drag the markets down and down. Check the Dow today. More major pullback.

 

[420SOS]

With a little over a year to go before re-election, I think Trump is fucked, finally
Combined with his trade war with China, which essentially destroyed the export aspect of the American farmer,and will kill the average American consumer with price increases, his insults to our EU partners, his destruction of the Paris Climate Accord, NAFTA and the TTP, his inept handling of conflict with N. Korea and Iran, his obvious, to all with a fucking brain, racist /religious bigotry/misogamist mindset, and his lack-luster (to be kind) if not ridiculous, response to the latest (monthly?) mass murder in the US, his political career could (should?) be over

The fucker couldn't even get the city in Ohio straight where the murders took place, confusing Toledo with Dayton (this guy has launch codes?).
His thoughts on a cause?
Video games.(Really?)
Fuckface McConnell, his sycophant , has held up legislation dealing with gun control since February, and the country knows that he and the GOP have absolutely no solutions, or interest in solving gun violence in the US.

37% of the general public (97% of Pukes) agree with this fuck's policies, and they're running the show,apparently.

What the fuck is up with that?

2020 my friends, and get Trump out of office along with every Republican rep in BOTH the House and Senate.

NOW, is the time because we as a Nation, have absolutely no time left to salvage what remains of our society, or the Planet for that matter.

He is a socialist in disguise

 

[TacoMac]

The Chinese economy is very different than the old Soviet one. It maybe state run to some degree, but it functions according to global market supply and demand.

You are out of your fucking mind.

It's ENTIRELY run by the government.

• No business is allowed to run in China without a government oversight agent in charge.
• No business is allowed to run in China without permits issued by the Chinese government.
• No business is allowed to run in China for its own profit. 35% of all proceeds of any business go directly to the Chinese government.

Furthermore, the Chinese government props up its currency and manipulates it at will. We just saw an example of that two days ago. They lowered their currency by just 1% and the entire world panicked.

You know why?

Because as big as China is, their currency is completely worthless and everybody knows it. If the Chinese government stopped propping it up it would lose about 60% of it's value overnight. That would send the entire planet into a complete financial meltdown overnight.

That's what makes Wall Street so nervous about Trump's stupidity. They're afraid he's going to fuck up to the point that China will push a button and send the entire planet into another 2008 meltdown.

China can do it at will. What we saw two days ago was just a small warning shot.

 

[hotrodharley]

He is a socialist in disguise

Only a quasi socialist. If the money is for corporations he’s all for it. But if a single dollar goes for “entitlements” to a poor person it’s totally unacceptable and an invitation to the open ruin of the USA.

Therefore he’s been identified as a fascist which is far more accurate.

 

[Fogdog]

that would require the manufacturers to take responsibility for their poor packaging decisions, and that's not going to happen. they couldn't put 3 cubic inches of product into an 8 cubic in. box, with a plastic liner, several zip ties or twisties, and then wrap the whole thing in plastic....why, they'd have no place to print "new and improved" , no place to put pictures of cartoon characters to make kids want their shit, no place to hide subliminal images designed to make you want their useless shoddy shit.....

Yes, regulations would be required to make all manufacturers responsible for their products, cradle to grave including packaging.

For example, https://www.municipalwasteeurope.eu/summary-current-eu-waste-legislation

Regarding how manufacturers market their goods, that's a different issue. What do you suggest?

Of course nothing will happen until we vote Republicans out.

 

[abandonconflict]

The Chinese economy is very different than the old Soviet one. It maybe state run to some degree, but it functions according to global market supply and demand.

lel

Even their top companies are OWNED by CCP members. You aren't just wrong, you're pushing what you know to be bullshit.

 

[Fogdog]

Not gonna happen. Knock yourself out. You see I'm probably a bit older and was raised in Appalachia. I used to hunt quail, pheasant, woodcock etc. for food, not entertainment. You never saw deer. People ate them. No season. Since then in order to hunt quail etc. is on a hunting farm. They raise them and turn them loose. Then city people can shoot them. The reality is whether we like it or not the Earth is changing. I have pictures from 10 years ago of my back field full of wildflowers. Millions of bees and monarchs. Now I'll see maybe two monarchs a summer. Bees are far and few between. The Earth will be overrun by what ever species is the most successful. It happens on a small scale all of the time. Birds of prey population varies here based upon food sources etc. But with monarchs it's the overwintering sights. Food sources around are plentiful. Climate change and deforestation has decimated the population. They are considering moving the trees higher in altitude for the monarchs. Crazy times. If people saw the change I have seen or read the amount of data out their they may do something. But not gonna happen. The Earth has changed immensely since it's formation. I've seen it in 75 years. Frogs as well. I could go on but without witnessing it it's hard to understand what was lost and is accelerating.

We treat the environment as if it has no value. It was given to us so was free and to capitalists, free means no value, treat however you like. Yet it is the most valuable asset we have. Most people in this country see what's happening.

I've seen what can happen when people stop fucking up the environment. It was along the coastline of Northern California when they put moratoriums on large scale logging in the 1980's and enforced other relatively hard core water quality laws. Admittedly a relatively small scale compared to what we do now. Yes, it wasn't the same but quite a bit came back within a few years. It's a stretch but the New Green Deal would put us on track to recover much of what has been lost during the past 40 years.

Of course, nothing will happen until we vote Republicans out.

 

[abandonconflict]

“Copying and reverse engineering accelerated new product launches, but eroded China’s competitiveness. Stealing intellectual property has enormously benefited Chinese companies. But, it has crippled their ability to develop the next version or innovate.

Just look at almost every important technological innovation in hardware, software, and the internet. Without sounding arrogant or imperialistic, they are with few exceptions to made in America.”

Again I’ll identify greed as the REASON foreign companies enter China. Reverse engineering has gone on there forever. Yet these money hungry corporations looking for just a few dollars more were obviously willing to subject themselves and their products to what the Chinese do and how they operate. It’s damned sure certain little of this is new nor was it unexpected.

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/1934779/china-never-really-stopped-being-copycat-and-thats-why-its-tech-companies

Jack Ma owns SCMP now. The shift to complete bias is going slowly though, some of their news is still actually very good. Some is CCP mouthpiece status. I read this story before and liked it, so I'm not criticizing that, just pointing this out.

 

[Fogdog]

Until then, what do we do with all these?....

Stop using them?

 

[hotrodharley]

Jack Ma owns SCMP now. The shift to complete bias is going slowly though, some of their news is still actually very good. Some is CCP mouthpiece status. I read this story before and liked it, so I'm not criticizing that, just pointing this out.

I’m very selective about any “news” I share and that includes all American owned media. There’s bullshit and defelection everywhere. And again it’s the wealthy setting the path and the pace. We are reading and hearing their stories and wants and their dislikes. Anything appealing to the less fortunate is immediately tagged as socialism and quickly buried or passed by.

 

[abandonconflict]

I’m very selective about any “news” I share and that includes all American owned media. There’s bullshit and defelection everywhere. And again it’s the wealthy setting the path and the pace. We are reading and hearing their stories and wants and their dislikes. Anything appealing to the less fortunate is immediately tagged as socialism and quickly buried or passed by.

Sadly, even the news with bias in the other direction has been known to put out some bullshit. I have always followed Amy Goodman of Democracy Now but lately I'm finding omissions that annoy me. For example, when covering M4A, no mention is made of the accompanying tax hikes because then people will ask how big those tax hikes are. I get that they are trying to give us news that won't feed right wing trolls but I'd really appreciate it from them.

Don't even get me started on Alternet, Jacobin, and all the Bernout media like TYT and Jimmy Dore. It's an assault on my sensibilities.

 

[Obepawn]

Gerrymandering and the Russians will geterdun.

Not if the courts keep giving him reach - arounds.

 

[420SOS]

Only a quasi socialist. If the money is for corporations he’s all for it. But if a single dollar goes for “entitlements” to a poor person it’s totally unacceptable and an invitation to the open ruin of the USA.

Therefore he’s been identified as a fascist which is far more accurate.

I agree, but that's exactly what true socialists are, fascists with a facade

 

[UncleBuck]

I agree, but that's exactly what true socialists are, fascists with a facade

What’s up with mueller stating under oath that trump is compromised?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

I agree, but that's exactly what true socialists are, fascists with a facade

Hello "new" sock puppet!

 

[hotrodharley]

I agree, but that's exactly what true socialists are, fascists with a facade

I would like to point out there’s a vast difference in principles between a socialist and a democratic socialist. Anyone not already aware of it should know we use a lot of the democratic socialist methods and solutions already. And people make money off of it by design. I wish everyone would just do s simple search on the two. As it is any term including “socialism” is automatically kicked to the curb.

 

[TacoMac]

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Police Department
Fire Department
Public Schools

Those are just a few examples of socialism presently in use in the United States.

Nobody I know has a problem with any of them.

 

[Khyber420]

lel

Even their top companies are OWNED by CCP members. You aren't just wrong, you're pushing what you know to be bullshit.

But what's your point? Feel free to show me what Soviet companies, government or otherwise sold goods on the global market. Show me which Soviet companies bought raw materials on the global market? None. They dont operate in the same way at all. There are no line ups for bread in China, and if someone wants a BMW for example, they can buy one. It seems to me like you forget how the soviet economy functioned, half my family comes from the ex-eastern bloc and I do enough business with Chinese folks to see the difference. The Soviets only traded goods/materials/services within their own empire, and it was forced non monetary based trading.
Sure their is unrestbin China, but theres unrest in the US too. In fact between Trump, stuff like BLM and all the division in the states between left and right it's hard to say which nation has more problems with civil unrest.

 

[hanimmal]

But what's your point? Feel free to show me what Soviet companies, government or otherwise sold goods on the global market. Show me which Soviet companies bought raw materials on the global market? None. They dont operate in the same way at all. There are no line ups for bread in China, and if someone wants a BMW for example, they can buy one. It seems to me like you lack understanding of how the soviet economy functioned, half my family comes from the ex-eastern bloc and I do enough business with Chinese folks to see the difference. In fact between Trump, stuff like BLM and all the division in the states between left and right it's hard to say which nation has more problems with civil unrest.

BLM was amplified and distorted to people that were on right wing sites by Russian trolling. The problem is the United States is being targeted by Russia and other countries to sow the unrest.

I think China is doing ok with their economy for the most part, it is the human rights that worries me with them. And somewhere you said that they are not expansionist like Soviets and Americans are, I don't think if you ask the people in Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong they would agree.