LB's Wildly Mediocre DWC/ScROG Grow

[Stltoed]

They look pretty good. The plants showing damage got it from the light. The shiny leaves wont go back to normal, FYI.

This "stall" may not have much of an effect on the over all. You'll just flower longer. Your plants have plenty of nutrients in them now. You may see burnt leaves a week from now from the higher PPM yesterday

I wouldnt give them a lot of nutes till you know the issues you have now are solved.

Plants look great. Just gotta get them out of second gear.

 

[Logan Burke]

I'm alright if it takes longer, I'm in no rush and I think it's worth a full yield. And that sounds like a plan to me, I may end up needing to drop lower than 1300 but I'll use that as a starting point and work lower if ppm's keep rising everyday. I'm going to raise the big 1k light up another few inches by hanging the fixture up by the brackets that the adjustable ratchets usually hook onto.

 

[Stltoed]

I'm alright if it takes longer, I'm in no rush and I think it's worth a full yield. And that sounds like a plan to me, I may end up needing to drop lower than 1300 but I'll use that as a starting point and work lower if ppm's keep rising everyday.

I think you'll find plants do pretty well at lower PPMs. I start to raise it very slowly. I might be at 500 in veg for a couple weeks. The only reason I'm at 1240 is because I got there extremely slowly. I dont see me going over 1300.

 

[Hydro4life]

It was DNA Genetics Lemon Skunk. Funny thing.... I germinated 2 but the plants didnt look alike at all. The pics are of the other plant. It grew little pagodas. I was using an additive call Facilitor from Aptus if I remember correctly. Lights were Black Dog and a CMH

Nice one stltoed! From my experience anything crossed with skunk has the potential to yield big thick colas!

 

[Hydro4life]

Wow! I’ve missed a lot in the last 2 days haha. Just had a quick skim read of your guys posts lol.
Still looking good Logan!
How’d you go/going with your bucket changes?? And your running lower ppms now?
Adding any bloom boosters now Logan?

 

[Stltoed]

Wow! I’ve missed a lot in the last 2 days haha. Just had a quick skim read of your guys posts lol.
Still looking good Logan!
How’d you go/going with your bucket changes?? And your running lower ppms now?
Adding any bloom boosters now Logan?

There he is. We missed you.

 

[Logan Burke]

Wow! I’ve missed a lot in the last 2 days haha. Just had a quick skim read of your guys posts lol.
Still looking good Logan!
How’d you go/going with your bucket changes?? And your running lower ppms now?
Adding any bloom boosters now Logan?

Hahaha yeah well you know how it is...the second ya look away everything happens! Anyways, thank ya Hydro and yes and yes, I forgot to mention that I've been adding Liquid Kool Bloom since a week after the flip to 12/12, my bucket changes are going great with just 1 last plant being left to change. All plant's ppm's have now been dropped to 1300-1400, but the plant in the back right with the N tox leaves, just had a sudden and intense PH drop yesterday. The first day of it's res change, the PH and PPM stayed totally still at about 5.8-5.9 and PPM of 1450. Then yesterday rolls around, and I find that the PH has dropped to 5.3-5.4 and ppm's have risen to about 1480-1500. So, I decided to drop the ppm's more for it on down to 1300. The plants definitely stalled out the past week probably from too high ppms, but I believe I've them back on track. The first plant to get a res change seems to be building bud again, so hopefully the others will follow suit soon as well!

 

[Logan Burke]

Oh and I've been running the bloom booster at 1/2 strength simply because of the issues I've been having...label says 4-10mL a gallon, and I'm doing 2mL a gal. I wasn't sure where I was running around 1000ppm's of my base nutrient ya know.

 

[Stltoed]

Hahaha yeah well you know how it is...the second ya look away everything happens! Anyways, thank ya Hydro and yes and yes, I forgot to mention that I've been adding Liquid Kool Bloom since a week after the flip to 12/12, my bucket changes are going great with just 1 last plant being left to change. All plant's ppm's have now been dropped to 1300-1400, but the plant in the back right with the N tox leaves, just had a sudden and intense PH drop yesterday. The first day of it's res change, the PH and PPM stayed totally still at about 5.8-5.9 and PPM of 1450. Then yesterday rolls around, and I find that the PH has dropped to 5.3-5.4 and ppm's have risen to about 1480-1500. So, I decided to drop the ppm's more for it on down to 1300. The plants definitely stalled out the past week probably from too high ppms, but I believe I've them back on track. The first plant to get a res change seems to be building bud again, so hopefully the others will follow suit soon as well!

This is great news. Glad things are turning around LB

 

[Logan Burke]

Thanks Stl, so am I! This is the exact stage that I think I usually mess the nutes up, but I'm pretty confident that taking your all's advice has helped me find their sweet spot. Fingers crossed!

 

[Hydro4life]

There he is. We missed you.

Hahaha thought ya’s might of!

 

[Hydro4life]

Hahaha yeah well you know how it is...the second ya look away everything happens! Anyways, thank ya Hydro and yes and yes, I forgot to mention that I've been adding Liquid Kool Bloom since a week after the flip to 12/12, my bucket changes are going great with just 1 last plant being left to change. All plant's ppm's have now been dropped to 1300-1400, but the plant in the back right with the N tox leaves, just had a sudden and intense PH drop yesterday. The first day of it's res change, the PH and PPM stayed totally still at about 5.8-5.9 and PPM of 1450. Then yesterday rolls around, and I find that the PH has dropped to 5.3-5.4 and ppm's have risen to about 1480-1500. So, I decided to drop the ppm's more for it on down to 1300. The plants definitely stalled out the past week probably from too high ppms, but I believe I've them back on track. The first plant to get a res change seems to be building bud again, so hopefully the others will follow suit soon as well!

Good to know Logan! How do the roots look on the plant that the ph dropped? The bucket didn’t have a little bit of a funny smell to it did it?

 

[Hydro4life]

Oh and I've been running the bloom booster at 1/2 strength simply because of the issues I've been having...label says 4-10mL a gallon, and I'm doing 2mL a gal. I wasn't sure where I was running around 1000ppm's of my base nutrient ya know.

Just like my base nutes, I personally don’t run full strength bloom boosters any more. I think a little can go a long way with bloom boosters...... just had a thought too Logan, have you added your silica to the buckets? Potassium silicate can play around with your ph apparently. I’m lazy now and use advanced nutrients ph perfect so don’t worry too much about it lol. And never used any potassium silicate prior to that when I was constantly ph’ing my res. Maybe stltoed has more of an idea on that??

 

[Stltoed]

Just like my base nutes, I personally don’t run full strength bloom boosters any more. I think a little can go a long way with bloom boosters...... just had a thought too Logan, have you added your silica to the buckets? Potassium silicate can play around with your ph apparently. I’m lazy now and use advanced nutrients ph perfect so don’t worry too much about it lol. And never used any potassium silicate prior to that when I was constantly ph’ing my res. Maybe stltoed has more of an idea on that??

I think your right about bloom nutes... nutes in general. I dont just dump it in. I'm using Koolbloom liq. I started with a half dose and added more every few days since there is little chance for lockout.

I usually dont run Silica late into flower. I have used GH Armor Si, Aptus Facilitor but its unbelievably expensive, I used Silica Blast on this grow. I shut it down on my last nute change. Without it I can run other nutes more prominently.
All the Silica products I have used cause a bump in Ph. If you have Ph issues maybe Ph Perfect would be a good idea. If you hook all your tubs together and make it RDWC you will have a much larger water base so spikes in Ph are much less severe. Mixing nutes is a one time operation. If you hook up a float valve to your res you will never have to worry about adding water again. Some people like to watch how much water they need to add each day, but in my mind the benefits of a float valve seriously outweigh the novelty of how thirsty your plants are. You can always read the drop in PPMs to see how things are going. If you have issues keeping your water cool, I can show you how to cool it with an inline fan. People dont usually believe me, but again i grow in a shed in Southern California with absolutely no issues

Hydro brought up a good point about root issues. What do you use to inoculate your roots? I'm a Hydroguard guy. I've used Z7 but I really dont like it

Here are some shots of my room and system

 

[Logan Burke]

Just like my base nutes, I personally don’t run full strength bloom boosters any more. I think a little can go a long way with bloom boosters...... just had a thought too Logan, have you added your silica to the buckets? Potassium silicate can play around with your ph apparently. I’m lazy now and use advanced nutrients ph perfect so don’t worry too much about it lol. And never used any potassium silicate prior to that when I was constantly ph’ing my res. Maybe stltoed has more of an idea on that??

Yessirrr I sure did, I put it in all of my res's the same day I got it about 2 or 3 days ago. In the past, the silicate usually helped my PH stabalize once I allowed it to rise for a few hours, then corrected it back down to 5.8-6.0. While I'm not sure whether or not it could create ph swings in regards to a dropping PH, I'm sure it's possible. It is one of the only new additives I'm changed other than reducing CaliMagic to 50% strength or maybe a bit less actually. This grow I've been fortunate with PH, being a 3-4 gal res each bucket of water pH is usually a pain for me. This grow has been really stable though.

 

[Hydro4life]

Yessirrr I sure did, I put it in all of my res's the same day I got it about 2 or 3 days ago. In the past, the silicate usually helped my PH stabalize once I allowed it to rise for a few hours, then corrected it back down to 5.8-6.0. While I'm not sure whether or not it could create ph swings in regards to a dropping PH, I'm sure it's possible. It is one of the only new additives I'm changed other than reducing CaliMagic to 50% strength or maybe a bit less actually. This grow I've been fortunate with PH, being a 3-4 gal res each bucket of water pH is usually a pain for me. This grow has been really stable though.

Ohhh Ok. Just a thought. Maybe it isn’t the silicate? You’ve used it before with no issue I take it. And the other plants aren’t getting a ph drop like that one? Was hoping it was...... I’m hoping your not getting root rot in that bucket??

 

[Stltoed]

Yessirrr I sure did, I put it in all of my res's the same day I got it about 2 or 3 days ago. In the past, the silicate usually helped my PH stabalize once I allowed it to rise for a few hours, then corrected it back down to 5.8-6.0. While I'm not sure whether or not it could create ph swings in regards to a dropping PH, I'm sure it's possible. It is one of the only new additives I'm changed other than reducing CaliMagic to 50% strength or maybe a bit less actually. This grow I've been fortunate with PH, being a 3-4 gal res each bucket of water pH is usually a pain for me. This grow has been really stable though.

You may want to raise your target Ph to 6.2 or slightly above. Bioavailabilty for Phosphorus, Magnesium, and Molybdenum dont really get started till above 6.0. Heres a graph to show you what I mean

 

[Stltoed]

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You may want to raise your target Ph to 6.2 or slightly above. Bioavailabilty for Phosphorus, Magnesium, and Molybdenum dont really get started till above 6.0. Heres a graph to show you what I mean

I cant upload pictures for some reason how weird

 

[Logan Burke]

Ohhh Ok. Just a thought. Maybe it isn’t the silicate? You’ve used it before with no issue I take it. And the other plants aren’t getting a ph drop like that one? Was hoping it was...... I’m hoping your not getting root rot in that bucket??

Lord hopes that I'm not...ever since I began running beneficials, particularly Great White, I've not ever had root rot going on 5 years now..*knocks on wood*. And yeah, I've used it before it's just been a couple grows since. Being in such small res's, I've kind of gotten used to the sudden PH swings, I try not to overthink it as long as the roots look (and smell) healthy. I'm getting ready to go check my plants for the day, I'll let you know if it's dropped today as well.

You may want to raise your target Ph to 6.2 or slightly above. Bioavailabilty for Phosphorus, Magnesium, and Molybdenum dont really get started till above 6.0. Heres a graph to show you what I mean

That's a really good idea Stl, I knew that calcium and magnesium were best absorbed above 6.0 but I had no idea about the P and the Molybdenum! I'll definitely raise it today! And no worries about the chart, I believe ya haha.

 

[Stltoed]

Lord hopes that I'm not...ever since I began running beneficials, particularly Great White, I've not ever had root rot going on 5 years now..*knocks on wood*. And yeah, I've used it before it's just been a couple grows since. Being in such small res's, I've kind of gotten used to the sudden PH swings, I try not to overthink it as long as the roots look (and smell) healthy. I'm getting ready to go check my plants for the day, I'll let you know if it's dropped today as well.

That's a really good idea Stl, I knew that calcium and magnesium were best absorbed above 6.0 but I had no idea about the P and the Molybdenum! I'll definitely raise it today! And no worries about the chart, I believe ya haha.

I like 6.2, but I'll let it go over 6.5 once and a while. OH, YOURE GONNA GET THAT GOD DAMN CHART!!! HAHA Seriously, it's well worth a look you will see all the macro nutes and most micro and how Ph interacts with each element. It will show where Ph starts bioavailability and where it stops