Making seeds

[LazyOptimisticAmateur]

I'd like to produce my own seeds...in my own low tech lackadaisical manner....I was thinking of growing a feminised seed in the same area as a 'regular' seed...(both strains that I like) and doing this a few times over or in very different far apart outdoor areas....I'm figuring if a pair both grow as female plants then great...two loads of nice bud....if in another pair the regular seed grows male and pollinates the female then great also cos i've got my own batch of cross bred seeds to play around with in a future experiment? PLEASE TELL ME IF I'M WRONG...Thx in advance

 

[xtsho]

Making seeds isn't hard. I say go for it. No need to keep paying through the nose for seeds from what's become a pollen chuckers market.

Some things to think about are the type of strain you want, indica/sativa, hybrid, THC, CBD, flowering time, size of plant, etc... Or just whatever grows. I've been making seeds for years. I made my first cross over twenty years ago. I can't do a grow without making seeds. It's very rewarding when you harvest a crop and it came from seed you grew. You can do it exactly as you stated or you can make a plan. If you already have the genetics you want then just use those. If you want to get serious then get all the landrace strains you can and start working with them. That's what I've done. I started out with the basic hybrids and known name strains but have moved into the realm of landrace strains that are the foundation of everything out there.

Some good stuff to look at would be anything landrace you can get from The Real Seed Company, Ace, Cannabiogen, and Tropical Seed Company. They might not be 100% but it's as close as your going to get unless you personally go to the source. And even then many strains have already been contaminated and are not as pure as they were say 100 years ago. Get some Afghan, Pakistan, African, South American, Indian, Middle Eastern, and Southeast Asian strains. You don't need all of those but definitely South American, Afghan, and Southeast Asian. You can make some fire from that.

Have fun with it. The good thing is that you can name it anything you want. Make your own strain and have some fun.

 

[LazyOptimisticAmateur]

That's fantastic...thanks so much for taking the time to reply.. and in such detail! all seems like great advice ...can't wait to get started now... although it'll prob have to be next season...love the idea of making my own strain and naming the fucker ! Thanks again...enjoy your weekend ...

 

[xtsho]

That's fantastic...thanks so much for taking the time to reply.. and in such detail! all seems like great advice ...can't wait to get started now... although it'll prob have to be next season...love the idea of making my own strain and naming the fucker ! Thanks again...enjoy your weekend ...

Enjoy your weekend as well.

 

[vostok]

Nice xtsho...one small observation is to consider making the strains F1(S1) according to their generations as F1(S1) these may well be
as often maybe years later you sow the seed and get some serious unexpected results
as Autos may require several generations just to keep the Ruderalis gene intact

cheers and nice above!

 

[bartow]

I do things like that all the time. It is not so much to save money on seeds. Sources of seeds are not reliable. I do it when I find a good strain so from then on I'll know what I am growing and I know it will be good. When buying seeds, I find it hard to get what I ordered.

On another note, recently doubt has been expressed as to whether or not growing seeds actually reduces THC near to the degree that it is said to. A few flowers with seeds, like on just one branch, certainly doesn't seem to effect the THC level of the rest of the whole plant.

 

[hotrodharley]

I do things like that all the time. It is not so much to save money on seeds. Sources of seeds are not reliable. I do it when I find a good strain so from then on I'll know what I am growing and I know it will be good. When buying seeds, I find it hard to get what I ordered.

On another note, recently doubt has been expressed as to whether or not growing seeds actually reduces THC near to the degree that it is said to. A few flowers with seeds, like on just one branch, certainly doesn't seem to effect the THC level of the rest of the whole plant.

If you are waiting for maximum seed development it’s likely you’ll pass the prime time for maximum THC. If you are going for seed accept the quality in the seed crop. You can always blast it or extract in some other way after separating the seed.

 

[LazyOptimisticAmateur]

If you are waiting for maximum seed development it’s likely you’ll pass the prime time for maximum THC. If you are going for seed accept the quality in the seed crop. You can always blast it or extract in some other way after separating the seed.

ok...so you're saying that if u want the pollinated females to still have good usable bud then chop them when the bud is 'ready' but if you want to max out the seed production then leave nature to take it's course and accept that the plant's bud will be sub standard?

 

[GrowRijt]

You can get both good seeds and good bud out at the same time. By pollenating only one or two branches you can get some great seeds and finish the rest of the plant and harvest.

Pollinate at day 21-25 of flower. Seeds should be good and dark after 35-40 days (day 65-70) of flower. But you can always harvest most bud and leave the pollinated branches to finish which is another bonus.

Pollenating the whole plant gives you about 900-2000 seeds. I never need that many. I shoot for 100-200 seeds.

 

[LazyOptimisticAmateur]

You can get both good seeds and good bud out at the same time. By pollenating only one or two branches you can get some great seeds and finish the rest of the plant and harvest.

Pollinate at day 21-25 of flower. Seeds should be good and dark after 35-40 days (day 65-70) of flower. But you can always harvest most bud and leave the pollinated branches to finish which is another bonus.

Pollenating the whole plant gives you about 900-2000 seeds. I never need that many. I shoot for 100-200 seeds.

thx for the input and advice mate...I'll keep all of this in mind...I'm inspired!

 

[hotrodharley]

ok...so you're saying that if u want the pollinated females to still have good usable bud then chop them when the bud is 'ready' but if you want to max out the seed production then leave nature to take it's course and accept that the plant's bud will be sub standard?

It will be past its prime. It should still be good. Chopping before the seeds are mature gets you a load of half ass seeds. Lots of greenies and flats.

 

[LazyOptimisticAmateur]

It will be past its prime. It should still be good. Chopping before the seeds are mature gets you a load of half ass seeds. Lots of greenies and flats.

Thx for the clarification and extra info....When my time comes to try this I'll likely leave it for the maximum mature seed production and then as u suggested separate the seeds and get the goodness out some other way...Pollinating one or two branches sounds good but I think I'll work towards that in baby steps!

 

[hotrodharley]

Thx for the clarification and extra info....When my time comes to try this I'll likely leave it for the maximum mature seed production and then as u suggested separate the seeds and get the goodness out some other way...Pollinating one or two branches sounds good but I think I'll work towards that in baby steps!

Dude - it will still be good smoke once separated. Trust me.

 

[LazyOptimisticAmateur]

Dude - it will still be good smoke once separated. Trust me.

I trust! consider it smoked! thx again....i've got some regular seeds on the way

 

[hotrodharley]

I trust! consider it smoked! thx again....i've got some regular seeds on the way

Good luck! Stick with regular seeds.

 

[vostok]

as a pollinated bush makes about 5000-6000 seeds( me anyways as I count them lol)

I frequently just pollinate the lower 2 branches, even this results in 4-6 teaspoon full (1200-1800)of active nugs

I often harvest the top and middle of the plant leaving the seeds on the lower lateral to grow on

at least to the point of the seed falling out its own womb?

also even unpollinated flowers then Roladlize again to the plant and growers advantage

cheers

 

[Patricf1]

Making seeds isn't hard. I say go for it. No need to keep paying through the nose for seeds from what's become a pollen chuckers market.

Some things to think about are the type of strain you want, indica/sativa, hybrid, THC, CBD, flowering time, size of plant, etc... Or just whatever grows. I've been making seeds for years. I made my first cross over twenty years ago. I can't do a grow without making seeds. It's very rewarding when you harvest a crop and it came from seed you grew. You can do it exactly as you stated or you can make a plan. If you already have the genetics you want then just use those. If you want to get serious then get all the landrace strains you can and start working with them. That's what I've done. I started out with the basic hybrids and known name strains but have moved into the realm of landrace strains that are the foundation of everything out there.

Some good stuff to look at would be anything landrace you can get from The Real Seed Company, Ace, Cannabiogen, and Tropical Seed Company. They might not be 100% but it's as close as your going to get unless you personally go to the source. And even then many strains have already been contaminated and are not as pure as they were say 100 years ago. Get some Afghan, Pakistan, African, South American, Indian, Middle Eastern, and Southeast Asian strains. You don't need all of those but definitely South American, Afghan, and Southeast Asian. You can make some fire from that.

Have fun with it. The good thing is that you can name it anything you want. Make your own strain and have some fun.

I know this is an old thread, but you seem to have a good amount of experience at producing seeds!

I have a female Wedding Cake that I want to cross with some other varieties to produce female seeds using the Colloidal Silver (CS) method on the Wedding Cake.
The instructions are to start the CS (colloidal silver) several days before flipping to 12/12.
However, the instructions do not state whether I should flip the target females at the same time as the CS'd female.

Do I want to flip the lighting for ALL of the plants at the same time or would it be beneficial to start the 12/12 for the CS'd female prior to or after flipping the target females?
Any suggestions?

 

[spek9]

I know this is an old thread, but you seem to have a good amount of experience at producing seeds!

I have a female Wedding Cake that I want to cross with some other varieties to produce female seeds using the Colloidal Silver (CS) method on the Wedding Cake.
The instructions are to start the CS (colloidal silver) several days before flipping to 12/12.
However, the instructions do not state whether I should flip the target females at the same time as the CS'd female.

Do I want to flip the lighting for ALL of the plants at the same time or would it be beneficial to start the 12/12 for the CS'd female prior to or after flipping the target females?
Any suggestions?

I put my females into flower after about three weeks after the pollen plants went in. This is also the time I stop spraying CS. Pollen is usually about ready when the females that I'm going to pollinate are around week 3-4 of flower, which is my preferred time to pollinate.

 

[xtsho]

I know this is an old thread, but you seem to have a good amount of experience at producing seeds!

I have a female Wedding Cake that I want to cross with some other varieties to produce female seeds using the Colloidal Silver (CS) method on the Wedding Cake.
The instructions are to start the CS (colloidal silver) several days before flipping to 12/12.
However, the instructions do not state whether I should flip the target females at the same time as the CS'd female.

Do I want to flip the lighting for ALL of the plants at the same time or would it be beneficial to start the 12/12 for the CS'd female prior to or after flipping the target females?
Any suggestions?

Since you can store pollen it's a good idea to start the reversal process on the plant you're using for feminized pollen a week or two before flipping the target females. You can collect the pollen and store it properly and you'll have it when the females are ready if they are late bloomers.

 

[spek9]

I know this is an old thread, but you seem to have a good amount of experience at producing seeds!

I have a female Wedding Cake that I want to cross with some other varieties to produce female seeds using the Colloidal Silver (CS) method on the Wedding Cake.
The instructions are to start the CS (colloidal silver) several days before flipping to 12/12.
However, the instructions do not state whether I should flip the target females at the same time as the CS'd female.

Do I want to flip the lighting for ALL of the plants at the same time or would it be beneficial to start the 12/12 for the CS'd female prior to or after flipping the target females?
Any suggestions?

Since it sounds like you are on your way, I may as well add how I collect and store pollen. People do it different ways due to different circumstances.

First, when the pollen plant(s) are near ready to open, I pull them out of the flower tent they're in, and put them into a separate cabinet specifically for pollen plants. It's got a small LED (CFLs also work). The plant(s) are on a large sheet of bristol board (large sheet of paper also works).

Once the first sacks open and I see pollen on the paper, I turn the light off, and put a large paper bag over the plant. I leave it dark for 2-3 days.

After that, I take the whole plant, with the paper underneath and bag on top out to my garage, and give it a really good shake. I then take the bag off, shake out the pollen onto the paper, I then break open a good number of remaining sacks, and again shake the plant onto the paper.

I then scrape up all the pollen into a pile with a razor blade, and mix it with baking flour in a 1/3 pollen to 2/3 flour ratio. I then store this mixture in 35mm film canisters, which I keep in my seed bin in the cold cellar in the basement (fridge/freezer also works). I find the flour binds to the pollen. It significantly reduces the pollen's ability to float around wildly, especially when applying it.

To apply, I take a tiny artist paint brush, dip it into the mixture, and dab it onto the bud sites. I used to only do a branch or two, but now I specifically dedicate entire plants to pollinate (one of my two 4x4' flower tents is dedicated to pollen and seed plants, along with other various experiments I have going).

Although I have a tent dedicated for this work aside from my main flower tent, the extra tent isn't necessary. You just have to be more careful and diligent if in a main flower room. Keep the pollen plants and the pollinated plants at the edge of your tent, so that the fans will blow any pollen against the wall of the tent, as opposed to toward the other flowering plants.