HLG vs HGL Side By Side Take 2

[Black-Thumb]

Agreed, that's why im not pushing any assumptions here. Also why i will do another & better Side by Side with more attention to detail while documenting so everyone can see everything i see as we go. That test will also be done for Stephen whom i feel got the shit end if the stick with the gnats. Only pott to have them. BTW, He did not ask me too nor mention any hard feelings over the matter. Pretty sure he understands that this shit happens in real world grow environments w/ real world distractions & responsibilities.
The other plants that came from under the Trinity may have been finicky at times but are still nice, tight noded bushes & thats w/o any training. Just one topping & some pinching.
If anyone wants to compare these same strains to last veg you can see them in the Bar-8 Thread. So then you'll know about how big they get around this age per strain. Look for SonicFly#1 & #2, GGW#1 & #2, And look at the FuelBomb which was much smaller then this one, vegged under 1/2 n 1/2 MH/Bar-8. It didnt

Was practically strong-Armed into close growing early into this by HGL (jk kindve) & you are right, exactly the results i got on both sides was unhappy plants, both sides were damaged & had to recover.

That is very cool of HLG to be so understanding. I've noticed through this whole saga (take 1 and 2) that Stephen really seems like the type of person you want to do business with.

His interactions, his understanding of factors outside your control, and his ability to sit back and trust the grower and the light to speak for themselves has really set an example for other owners hoping to interact with this community.

If we wanna smack idiots down with one hand, we need to lift up good dudes with the other. And he has comported himself as a consummate "good dude".

Thumbs up bro.

 

[Frank Nitty]

That's right...

Its all yours to do with as you please...

 

[Frank Nitty]

That is very cool of HLG to be so understanding. I've noticed through this whole saga (take 1 and 2) that Stephen really seems like the type of person you want to do business with.

His interactions, his understanding of factors outside your control, and his ability to sit back and trust the grower and the light to speak for themselves has really set an example for other owners hoping to interact with this community.

If we wanna smack idiots down with one hand, we need to lift up good dudes with the other. And he has comported himself as a consummate "good dude".

Thumbs up bro.

I really don't need all the comparisons between the two light companies... Before I had ever heard of an hgl light there was hlg and that's what I bought and will continue to buy because the proof is in the harvest!!! Look at my avatar!!!

 

[sethimus]

I have some sense of smell left, but most strains smell all wrong to me now... exodus being the exception, doesn't smell like cheese to me but like sweet things.
If I can smell anything at all I am doing something right...
Most people's weed I can't smell at all.

I do compensate for it by having a more pronounced mouth feel for the smoke and taste.
This is part of why I enjoy vaping over smoking weed these days, as smoking it, covers 95% of what smell was left.

amazing, normally your taste senses are tied to the nasal smelling sensors, hence everything tssting shit when having a cold

 

[Psyphish]

I have some sense of smell left, but most strains smell all wrong to me now... exodus being the exception, doesn't smell like cheese to me but like sweet things.
If I can smell anything at all I am doing something right...
Most people's weed I can't smell at all.

I do compensate for it by having a more pronounced mouth feel for the smoke and taste.
This is part of why I enjoy vaping over smoking weed these days, as smoking it, covers 95% of what smell was left.

Can relate, the smell I miss the most is gasoline while filling my car. Growing weed is kinda risky with poor sense of smell, last time I got caught the whole building smelled like weed.

 

[ANC]

I thought the smell of gas just changed once we went off using lead in gas. Maybe you are right.
Some of the fondest memories of my first car were of the petrol fumes.

 

[ANC]

amazing, normally your taste senses are tied to the nasal smelling sensors, hence everything tssting shit when having a cold

I'm pretty sure we have a few separate neural pathways for certain smells. I can still smell harmful things like ammonia but at a much lower level. I can almost never smell a rose.

When in flower or drying you can pretty much smell the cheese from my front door.

 

[Frank Nitty]

Can relate, the smell I miss the most is gasoline while filling my car. Growing weed is kinda risky with poor sense of smell, last time I got caught the whole building smelled like weed.

Ooops!!!

 

[Black-Thumb]

I really don't need all the comparisons between the two light companies... Before I had ever heard of an hgl light there was hlg and that's what I bought and will continue to buy because the proof is in the harvest!!! Look at my avatar!!!

Agreed. Same here.

Very happy with my HLG products. They just work. And the results are amazing.

 

[Frank Nitty]

Agreed. Same here.

Very happy with my HLG products. They just work. And the results are amazing.

I BOUGHT THE QB100 FROM AMAZON AND HLG REPLACED IT NO PROBLEM!!!

 

[hybridway2]

If you had a number of plants under the lights and all show that difference you would have a point. But with only one you are not in a position that qualifies you to make any assumption. Science doesn‘t work like that. You need to find an average and remove the outliers first.

Agreed, that's why im not pushing any assumptions here. Also why i will do another & better Side by Side with more attention to detail while documenting so everyone can see everything i see as we go. That test will also be done for Stephen whom i feel got the shit end if the stick with the gnats. Only pott to have them. BTW, He did not ask me too nor mention any hard feelings over the matter. Pretty sure he understands that this shit happens in real world grow environments w/ real world distractions & responsibilities.
The other plants that came from under the Trinity may have been finicky at times but are still nice, tight noded bushes & thats w/o any training. Just one topping & some pinching. Honestly it grows very similar to a 5k led veg light by how tight each bush is. Nodes are very close. I feel many of you are just fooled by the size difference. Personally i feel the HLG plant stands to yield similiar results. There's more to that plant then meets the eye in a photo, especially when sitting next to a monster.
If anyone wants to compare these same strains to last veg you can see them in the Bar-8 Thread. So then you'll know about how big they get around this age per strain. Look for SonicFly#1 & #2, GGW#1 & #2, And look at the FuelBomb which was much smaller then this one, vegged under 1/2 n 1/2 MH/Bar-8. It didnt get the purple stems. The MH i feel is a key factor to a white led veg. Just having it iff to the side & rotating plants will allow each one to be touched by UV & IR, just enough to compensate fir the lack of in white leds . My 2 cents on the matter after seeing my best results using white led that way in veg.

 

[hybridway2]

By angling the hgl you are taking advantage of rhe modularity. If the modularity is not going to be an option in the future, it would be prudent to flatten them out so there is not a false benifit given to style.

Future X-Boards will optionally be modular as well. Looks like she's making various wattage up to 400.
HGL took HLG's boards, dissected them to eliminate potential flaws to the consumer, researched the components that will allow the most value/$.
One change made was her boards have much more spread out diodes & are running twice the coverage area per/watt as HLG, she claims. The HLG boards are far to powerful for how condenced they are she says & i would agree. Says shes shooting for over 2.5 umol/j but i personally would be suprised to see over 2.1 of electrical efficiencies. Which if the spectrum is as effective & efficient as she says then that would be like having 4 umol/j in competitive results to white light yeilds using HE. Mind you, i just broke a Hybridway record using 2.0 umol/j, Elite 96,s of like 24 oz. From a 5 gall pott w/o trying & starting with little light & moving up as she grew. Also, might i add it was super Dank.They utilize the same Trinty spectrum almost. So, i deffinitly wouldn't count out the HLG spectrum in any way shape or form right yet. I just think the spectrum doesn't work as well on this board as it does the smaller 96 pads. I feel Stephen is still in the spectral dialing phase of his ventures just coming off plain white.
@Stephenj37826, can't say i didn't tell you bro.
The only thing im not yet sure about is the addition of lenses on the X-Boards. Although, running @ half the intensity per inch/sq may just allow that to happen & achieve higher #'s, closer to the plants & not the walls.
One thing i am noticing is that the HGL plant can handle higher levels of light density then the HLG plant. Maybe its the x4 point focal vs the compact board? Not sure yet but am leaning towards the spectral differences as to why the HGL plant can handle more & drinks faster by 2/3's a day almost.

 

[hybridway2]

That is very cool of HLG to be so understanding. I've noticed through this whole saga (take 1 and 2) that Stephen really seems like the type of person you want to do business with.

His interactions, his understanding of factors outside your control, and his ability to sit back and trust the grower and the light to speak for themselves has really set an example for other owners hoping to interact with this community.

If we wanna smack idiots down with one hand, we need to lift up good dudes with the other. And he has comported himself as a consummate "good dude".

Thumbs up bro.

Yes, there's one Optimistic way of looking at it. Although there very well could be a dark side. Not even dark, this aint StarWars. More like the new lights & growers results will determine what he does or says next. Remember, HLG is not a scientifically based Horticultural Comp. As much as they are a supply & demand type. From what i gather, they are a customer demand & customer result based facility. Customers eventually smartened up asking for chloro peaks to be attended in their white lights & thats what they got. DIY growers here say what they want & he gives it to them. Not a bad way of doing buss. & has obviously earned him a top-spot in sales.
Just remember, those whom are asking for this or that in their growlight (Most) are not necessarily professionals nor even commercial growers or large scale, nore have experience using several types of lighting.
I firmly believe that this ENTIRE YEAR should be dedicated to the TRUTH, by as many members here as possible. That means unbiased, documented side by sides using whatever you have available.
Please peoples, do this with me. Its not easy being the only one trying to verify results to a 50/50 unbelieving Community.
Then maybe some will understand where I'm comming from when i write a review or post pics of something concerning.
Yes, i have dedicated 2 yrs to figuring this shit out with less then optimal results till recently when i finally made all those changes i listed earlier all in one grow. That brought me to about 70% of the hoped for success. Not bad. Now after discussion with @OneHitDone & reading links, im pretty comfortable sayong i only now need to either change my medium to Pro-Mix (peet) or change my nutes to one very low in K to compensate for the abundance in CoCo. Also will try again next time to re-buffer my CoCo myself.
Was not completely successful this past time trying to do it with the plants in the pott. Lol! Ended up with basic transplant defficencies that happen when one neglects to use the base nutes incorporated in the first soaking. Roots aren't getting anything once they reach out into new territory. Oops!
Thank you to everyone whom is participating with an open mind.
Both lights are up as of last night. Divider went up 6 hours later. Did not want the white hitting the rgb at all but it was just to late n i had to go to bed.
Each have a 4x4.5' section. HLG Thirsty here but in very good health. Another one Thirsty but in great health. Ended up running only 2 , 84x's before bed. This way they both have 300w & i also DO NOT need that HGL plant to get any bigger rn. After Comparing to my Hydroponics Hut, even know the spds look kind've similiar on the chart , the HGL looks allot different & is way brighter. So, not all Burples are the same. Hard to tell but HLG has incorporated strings of 630 in a 1-2 ratio to their 660. The Base white is 35k rather then the 4k the Elite 96's are using. There again is No 730. CHPS is the New Addition to the garden. Wanted to keep at least one hps light up just for if there's an led defiant strain.
The spd chart shows sick amount of r+fr+ir. But there's so much yellow/amber in it you can barely tell by eye. Notice the 470 peak?. Plant response is 100% happy. Thats putting my infirmary plants under it too.
Not much light for 600w after using HE LED. Id imagine it is more then 600w of CMH in one bulb though.

 

[a mongo frog]

Yes, there's one Optimistic way of looking at it. Although there very well could be a dark side. Not even dark, this aint StarWars. More like the new lights & growers results will determine what he does or says next. Remember, HLG is not a scientifically based Horticultural Comp. As much as they are a supply & demand type. From what i gather, they are a customer demand & customer result based facility. Customers eventually smartened up asking for chloro peaks to be attended in their white lights & thats what they got. DIY growers here say what they want & he gives it to them. Not a bad way of doing buss. & has obviously earned him a top-spot in sales.
Just remember, those whom are asking for this or that in their growlight (Most) are not necessarily professionals nor even commercial growers or large scale, nore have experience using several types of lighting.
I firmly believe that this ENTIRE YEAR should be dedicated to the TRUTH, by as many members here as possible. That means unbiased, documented side by sides using whatever you have available.
Please peoples, do this with me. Its not easy being the only one trying to verify results to a 50/50 unbelieving Community.
Then maybe some will understand where I'm comming from when i write a review or post pics of something concerning.
Yes, i have dedicated 2 yrs to figuring this shit out with less then optimal results till recently when i finally made all those changes i listed earlier all in one grow. That brought me to about 70% of the hoped for success. Not bad. Now after discussion with @OneHitDone & reading links, im pretty comfortable sayong i only now need to either change my medium to Pro-Mix (peet) or change my nutes to one very low in K to compensate for the abundance in CoCo. Also will try again next time to re-buffer my CoCo myself.
Was not completely successful this past time trying to do it with the plants in the pott. Lol! Ended up with basic transplant defficencies that happen when one neglects to use the base nutes incorporated in the first soaking. Roots aren't getting anything once they reach out into new territory. Oops!
Thank you to everyone whom is participating with an open mind.
Both lights are up as of last night. Divider went up 6 hours later. Did not want the white hitting the rgb at all but it was just to late n i had to go to bed.
Each have a 4x4.5' section. View attachment 4357678 HLG Thirsty here but in very good health. View attachment 4357679 Another one Thirsty but in great health. View attachment 4357680 View attachment 4357681 View attachment 4357682 Ended up running only 2 , 84x's before bed. This way they both have 300w & i also DO NOT need that HGL plant to get any bigger rn. View attachment 4357684 After Comparing to my Hydroponics Hut, even know the spds look kind've similiar on the chart , the HGL looks allot different & is way brighter. So, not all Burples are the same. View attachment 4357685 Hard to tell but HLG has incorporated strings of 630 in a 1-2 ratio to their 660. The Base white is 35k rather then the 4k the Elite 96's are using. There again is No 730. View attachment 4357686 CHPS is the New Addition to the garden. Wanted to keep at least one hps light up just for if there's an led defiant strain.
The spd chart shows sick amount of r+fr+ir. But there's so much yellow/amber in it you can barely tell by eye.View attachment 4357709 Plant response is 100% happy. Thats putting my infirmary plants under it too.
Not much light for 600w after using HE LED. Id imagine it is more then 600w of CMH in one bulb though. View attachment 4357689

You're absolutely knocking everything out the park. Love watching this.

 

[hybridway2]

You're absolutely knocking everything out the park. Love watching this.

Thank you Mongo! I'm doing the best i can with the time i don't have. Haha!
Anyways, going to be getting average readings over these areas as well as some others to see how they all fair against competitive lighting, including the CHPS. Which has allot of plant light outside the 4-700nm range picked up on the Apogee.
As im caulking little holes in the ceiling & spot painting where paint came off from taking down all the crap that was up there. Im running multiple plant reaction tests to each type of light. Running 5 ATM. Thnx for staying tuned!

 

[boilingoil]

@hybridway2 , Dude , it's what I do every grow in my 3 week perpetual cycle. Why do you think I put my grows up on youtube now for you all to see.

 

[hillbill]

Observations and speculations have run together here and the parameters and conditions are very loose.

Observation should not be conscious of speculation. Thread may at times be interesting but not scientific if that matters.

Grower must someday do the same things throughout a grow and not be constantly making adjustments.

Observe and report maybe.

 

[SSGrower]

The drinking faster, feeding more is an indicaton one light is performing differently but without correlating increases in plant mass increases in effeciency cannot be determined. It does not look to me as if the hgl plant has 2/3 more mass than the hlg plant.

We cannot be scientific in the nature of this comparison but we can be scientific in the evaluation of the information @hybridway2 is providing regardless of our opinion of him as a grower.

 

[hillbill]

My above post was a little on the asshole side. Will be nicer.

 

[Norml56]

Yes, there's one Optimistic way of looking at it. Although there very well could be a dark side. Not even dark, this aint StarWars. More like the new lights & growers results will determine what he does or says next. Remember, HLG is not a scientifically based Horticultural Comp. As much as they are a supply & demand type. From what i gather, they are a customer demand & customer result based facility. Customers eventually smartened up asking for chloro peaks to be attended in their white lights & thats what they got. DIY growers here say what they want & he gives it to them. Not a bad way of doing buss. & has obviously earned him a top-spot in sales.
Just remember, those whom are asking for this or that in their growlight (Most) are not necessarily professionals nor even commercial growers or large scale, nore have experience using several types of lighting.
I firmly believe that this ENTIRE YEAR should be dedicated to the TRUTH, by as many members here as possible. That means unbiased, documented side by sides using whatever you have available.
Please peoples, do this with me. Its not easy being the only one trying to verify results to a 50/50 unbelieving Community.
Then maybe some will understand where I'm comming from when i write a review or post pics of something concerning.
Yes, i have dedicated 2 yrs to figuring this shit out with less then optimal results till recently when i finally made all those changes i listed earlier all in one grow. That brought me to about 70% of the hoped for success. Not bad. Now after discussion with @OneHitDone & reading links, im pretty comfortable sayong i only now need to either change my medium to Pro-Mix (peet) or change my nutes to one very low in K to compensate for the abundance in CoCo. Also will try again next time to re-buffer my CoCo myself.
Was not completely successful this past time trying to do it with the plants in the pott. Lol! Ended up with basic transplant defficencies that happen when one neglects to use the base nutes incorporated in the first soaking. Roots aren't getting anything once they reach out into new territory. Oops!
Thank you to everyone whom is participating with an open mind.
Both lights are up as of last night. Divider went up 6 hours later. Did not want the white hitting the rgb at all but it was just to late n i had to go to bed.
Each have a 4x4.5' section. View attachment 4357678 HLG Thirsty here but in very good health. View attachment 4357679 Another one Thirsty but in great health. View attachment 4357680 View attachment 4357681 View attachment 4357682 Ended up running only 2 , 84x's before bed. This way they both have 300w & i also DO NOT need that HGL plant to get any bigger rn. View attachment 4357684 After Comparing to my Hydroponics Hut, even know the spds look kind've similiar on the chart , the HGL looks allot different & is way brighter. So, not all Burples are the same. View attachment 4357685 Hard to tell but HLG has incorporated strings of 630 in a 1-2 ratio to their 660. The Base white is 35k rather then the 4k the Elite 96's are using. There again is No 730. View attachment 4357686 CHPS is the New Addition to the garden. Wanted to keep at least one hps light up just for if there's an led defiant strain.
The spd chart shows sick amount of r+fr+ir. But there's so much yellow/amber in it you can barely tell by eye. Notice the 470 peak?.View attachment 4357709 Plant response is 100% happy. Thats putting my infirmary plants under it too.
Not much light for 600w after using HE LED. Id imagine it is more then 600w of CMH in one bulb though. View attachment 4357689

I'm surprised to see that the CHPS has such a short bulb life. My CMH bulbs last about 18months before the quality of light starts to diminish.