Light change :-)

[ttystikk]

Oh well, that may be true but I'm completely satisfied with what I'm using. I have no need to spend hundreds or over a thousand dollars to get slightly better results than I am already getting. I'm more interested in the plant than the light. Maybe I could get another ounce or so out of a grow which I doubt. The fact is that I just don't care. I'm more interested in the plant science than lighting technology. But I understand those that that want to maximize every aspect. But from a lot of what I've seen on the forums, some are more interested in playing with lighting than growing plants. It's gotten to the point that people post pictures of crappy looking plants and everyone says "Looking Good" when the plants are crispy and over fertilized. And the things that have become commonplace that have no merit like checking soil runoff pH, flushing, etc... All a waste of time as far as I'm concerned but someone saw an infomercial from some dude on youtube that said to flush with X product blah blah blah. I'm just going to do my thing and source and save hard to find landraces, make crosses, share with my friends and spend as little money doing it as I can. If others want to spend thousands on lights, nutrients, seeds of the latest strains then that is their choice. But there is no way I'm getting my wallet sucked into this money grubbing industry. Someone posted a link where they were selling clones for up to $2000. That's just plain bullshit and anyone paying that is crazy as far as I'm concerned. Just like I think it's crazy to spend $1500 for enough LED lighting for a 4 x 4 tent but some people do.

Anyway, I probably don't really belong in some sections of this forum so I'll probably just post in the Advanced and Gardening sections where most talk is about the plant or plants from now on as it seems I'm on a different path than many. I'd much rather talk about the plant and it's propagation, making seeds and crosses than lighting spectrum's, diodes, and overpriced nutrients.

I'm not taking jab at you. So please don't take it that way. Just ranting.

LED lighting is itself a hobby, as is what is grown under one. Some people like to danke in both hobbies at once lol

Energy savings and climate control gets more critical- and expensive- the larger the facility becomes.

 

[Serverchris]

Insulate. The plant needs warmth to transpire properly.

I got much better quality results from my switch to LED. That's incentive!

Yep, trichome density is so much better with white light LEDs and I can run 2 5x5 tents for the same price as 1 hps 5x5 tent.

 

[ttystikk]

Yep, trichome density is so much better with white light LEDs and I can run 2 5x5 tents for the same price as 1 hps 5x5 tent.

I put buds grown under HID in one jar and the same strain grown with LED in another jar and put them side by side. People could tell the difference literally from across the room.

 

[hillbill]

I have no light hobby but try to educate myself just as I educate myself on fluorocarbon fishing line as it is very advanced with peculiar qualities not present in nylon monos I used for 50+ years. I don’t have a line hobby either. That doesn’t mean I can’t learn and use the most efficient line in my fishing hobby. Similar situation.

So fluorocarbon line and white or white/red LEDs and COBs get used here.

 

[eyderbuddy]

Oh well, that may be true but I'm completely satisfied with what I'm using. I have no need to spend hundreds or over a thousand dollars to get slightly better results than I am already getting. I'm more interested in the plant than the light. Maybe I could get another ounce or so out of a grow which I doubt. The fact is that I just don't care. I'm more interested in the plant science than lighting technology. But I understand those that that want to maximize every aspect. But from a lot of what I've seen on the forums, some are more interested in playing with lighting than growing plants. It's gotten to the point that people post pictures of crappy looking plants and everyone says "Looking Good" when the plants are crispy and over fertilized. And the things that have become commonplace that have no merit like checking soil runoff pH, flushing, etc... All a waste of time as far as I'm concerned but someone saw an infomercial from some dude on youtube that said to flush with X product blah blah blah. I'm just going to do my thing and source and save hard to find landraces, make crosses, share with my friends and spend as little money doing it as I can. If others want to spend thousands on lights, nutrients, seeds of the latest strains then that is their choice. But there is no way I'm getting my wallet sucked into this money grubbing industry. Someone posted a link where they were selling clones for up to $2000. That's just plain bullshit and anyone paying that is crazy as far as I'm concerned. Just like I think it's crazy to spend $1500 for enough LED lighting for a 4 x 4 tent but some people do.

Anyway, I probably don't really belong in some sections of this forum so I'll probably just post in the Advanced and Gardening sections where most talk is about the plant or plants from now on as it seems I'm on a different path than many. I'd much rather talk about the plant and it's propagation, making seeds and crosses than lighting spectrum's, diodes, and overpriced nutrients.

I'm not taking jab at you. So please don't take it that way. Just ranting.

Daaamn 1500 for a 4x4?!! The HLG 550 v2 is 1050 and i still find it expensive.

Lucky for me, i just build my own lights for under $1 per watt.

 

[Flowki]

And a few years from now those will be crap just like the blurples that use to be state-of-the-art.

A lot of growers are like iPhone junkies. Lining up for the next great thing no matter the cost.

I'm thinking of building a DIY COB system one of these days but if I wait a little longer I'm sure there will be even better lights around the corner.

Not to be a dick but you could apply that to anything. Why advance medicine, cars, air planes, homes, clean energy?. Should we have just stopped advancement some time in the 1800's, earlier maybe?. Yes I agree you can go too far and over engineer a meaningless issue (automatic toilet lids) but for the most part the advancements made are in a good direction. Trouble is it costs money to advance and that means people like us need to buy products so that such company's can develop further. Who else is going to pay for it, governments?, they'll just increase taxes. One way or another we will pay for it and I don't see why it's a bad thing, unless you'd rather live in the wild.

 

[Ryante55]

And a few years from now those will be crap just like the blurples that use to be state-of-the-art.

A lot of growers are like iPhone junkies. Lining up for the next great thing no matter the cost.

I'm thinking of building a DIY COB system one of these days but if I wait a little longer I'm sure there will be even better lights around the corner.

I think you took that analogy a little to far. Led lights are more like cell phones where hps is like a wall phone. The gavita or spyder led might be like an iPhone but then you have hlg it's like Android phones cheaper and more powerful.

 

[OldMedUser]

unless you'd rather live in the wild.

Compared to most I pretty much do.

Android phones cheaper and more powerful.

Got an Android phone I never use except when we go to the city. As soon as my 2 year contract runs out in Sept it's getting switched to a pay as you go phone. I'll put a $100 on it and that should last for a year with plenty of minutes left over. Got a deal from the phone company almost 20 years ago the gave to people with dial-up internet as they couldn't supply it over our old phone lines. $19.95/mth for 8000 min/mth long distance anywhere, anytime. Not giving up my land line anytime soon.

 

[DustyDuke]

I have cfl, led, hps and cmh. The led was a bestva 2000w just cheap dropped it did myself a favour replaced with hps 600w much better. I run Cfl/cmh veg cmh/hps for flower. I would try a led like a hlg 550 seen a few growers do well but not cheap. What I’ve got is what I can afford but I’m not in a rush to replace them. Most of the big growers I watch still run hid, does me well

 

[ttystikk]

I have cfl, led, hps and cmh. The led was a bestva 2000w just cheap dropped it did myself a favour replaced with hps 600w much better. I run Cfl/cmh veg cmh/hps for flower. I would try a led like a hlg 550 seen a few growers do well but not cheap. What I’ve got is what I can afford but I’m not in a rush to replace them. Most of the big growers I watch still run hid, does me well

Those big growers are starting to get squeezed between power bills and falling prices, so they're looking hard at LED. They're waiting for a breakthrough to make the ROI work better.

I can't spoil the beans just yet, but I've got the answer.

 

[OldMedUser]

You don't want to spoil the beans alright.

Better you just spill them.

 

[ttystikk]

You don't want to spoil the beans alright.

Better you just spill them.

I'm an old fart- spoiling beans is what I do best!

I don't wanna bag the cat, neither!

 

[Odin*]

Cats in the bag, bags in the river.

It’s already common knowledge/widely accepted that, although they save on power, LED’s cannot produce quality herb. Don’t waste your time and money people.




And this Gelato spear, pft.


PB&J


End product that isn’t even worth tossing in a fire.




Trust me, you don’t want to bother w/LEDs. All the nay sayers were/are right.

 

[hillbill]

Oh.

 

[Hydro4life]

I think LEDs will become THE light in the future, and have come a long way, but their still not there yet HIDs are still the way to go and will be for a while yet imo.

 

[Hydro4life]

Cats in the bag, bags in the river.

It’s already common knowledge/widely accepted that, although they save on power, LED’s cannot produce quality herb. Don’t waste your time and money people.

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Trust me, you don’t want to bother w/LEDs. All the nay sayers were/are right.

What were your lights off temps during that run Odin?? Bought out some beautiful colors!!

 

[ttystikk]

What were your lights off temps during that run Odin?? Bought out some beautiful colors!!

I think you missed the sarcasm.

LED lights make better quality.

 

[hillbill]

Note the LED strips in the fourth photo, for example.

 

[LED Cultivation]

And a few years from now those will be crap just like the blurples that use to be state-of-the-art.

A lot of growers are like iPhone junkies. Lining up for the next great thing no matter the cost.

I'm thinking of building a DIY COB system one of these days but if I wait a little longer I'm sure there will be even better lights around the corner.

Simple mathematics helps to understand that LED arrays are absolutely worth the mark-up. They are actually cheap, when you consider all of the factors which influence your operating costs. Even if you're small-scale, the ROI of a proper array is quick, and the qualitative benefits of making the switch are more attractive anyways, in my and many others' opinion.

 

[ttystikk]

Simple mathematics helps to understand that LED arrays are absolutely worth the mark-up. They are actually cheap, when you consider all of the factors which influence your operating costs. Even if you're small-scale, the ROI of a proper array is quick, and the qualitative benefits of making the switch are more attractive anyways, in my and many others' opinion.

ROI varies wildly based on local cost of energy, so you really can't make blanket statements like that.