BHO Butane vs Propane?

bez420

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So I got a huge lot that started to turn musty. Normally, I would blast with butane and winterize. Problem is that I'm not so sure it's worth the $800 worth of butane needed. So thinking propane might be more efficient this time. Problem is, I've never used propane.

So could any of you wise ones who have, please gimme some tips.

Wondering about the pros and cons in butane vs propane? PLEASE
 

growingforfun

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So I got a huge lot that started to turn musty. Normally, I would blast with butane and winterize. Problem is that I'm not so sure it's worth the $800 worth of butane needed. So thinking propane might be more efficient this time. Problem is, I've never used propane.

So could any of you wise ones who have, please gimme some tips.

Wondering about the pros and cons in butane vs propane? PLEASE
I'd assume propane isnt used for a good reason, if it was easy and safe to use I assume everyone would because it's so cheap.

I'd consider a heat press and make rosin... for 500 bucks you can get a good one. I'm assuming you have around 10-20 lbs to process with the 900 figure on 'tame. You should easily be able to squish 14g at a time every 4 min so that's 5-10 hours of work by my estimate for the best hash possible.

Last thing you want is to spend money making shit that tastes like propane...
 

Fadedawg

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Propane without mercaptans is not much cheaper that Butane. Where are you getting your propane?

You use the same open blasting techniques as with butane, but the product is less pristine. People who use propane, typically use a mix of butane and propane.

You will get best results freezing the material and dropping the LPG below -30C.
 

bez420

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I'd assume propane isnt used for a good reason, if it was easy and safe to use I assume everyone would because it's so cheap.

I'd consider a heat press and make rosin... for 500 bucks you can get a good one. I'm assuming you have around 10-20 lbs to process with the 900 figure on 'tame. You should easily be able to squish 14g at a time every 4 min so that's 5-10 hours of work by my estimate for the best hash possible.

Last thing you want is to spend money making shit that tastes like propane...
Tried that 1st. Smashed the biggest buds. Tasted like freaking pipe resin!
 

bez420

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Propane without mercaptans is not much cheaper that Butane. Where are you getting your propane?

You use the same open blasting techniques as with butane, but the product is less pristine. People who use propane, typically use a mix of butane and propane.

You will get best results freezing the material and dropping the LPG below -30C.
I've never used propane. I always prefreeze in the deepfreeze on high. Not sure if it gets that cold though. Would that require dry ice?
 

Fadedawg

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I've never used propane. I always prefreeze in the deepfreeze on high. Not sure if it gets that cold though. Would that require dry ice?
Dry ice is how most folks get that cold, though some bucks up folks use -80C chillers.

Don't chill the LPG tank to those temperatures, because the carbon steel tanks, nor the polymers in the valve seals are rated for it.

The way that I did it on the Mk IVC and VC Terpenators, was to use a 304SS counter-flow heat exchanger on the injection side, which I chilled with liquid N2.
 
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Fadedawg

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Can you please give us more info on the type of butane you have access to? I normally use cans of Newport from London.
Over the years we've used both lighter butane and commercial butane, but typically use Instrument Grade Butane/Propane, which we subsequently re-distill from the 99.95% purity, to 99.998%, with regard to molecules heavier than C-4.

You can also start with the 99.99% purity, but that is what the 99.95% Instrument Grade actually measured, leading me to believe that the extra cost of the higher grade has more to do with certifications and testing, than product. It also leads me to believe that at least here locally, both 99.95% and 99.99% come out of the same tank.

We typically use a 70/30 or a 80/20 blend, which we can get pre-mixed from places like Apis Labs in Eugene, OR.
 

Vegs

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BHO all the way..my toes curl in the wrong way when I think of the propane taste in the oil, wax etc
 

Fadedawg

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BHO all the way..my toes curl in the wrong way when I think of the propane taste in the oil, wax etc
Propane is a simple C-3H8 Alkane, and Butane is a C-4H10 simple Alkane. Both fully saturated, with a dielectric constant around 1.3, so not attractive to metal ions, as compared to things like water with a dielectric constant of around 80.

I agree that 100% Butane extracted oil is more flavorful than 100% Propane extracted oil, but isn't the taste of the Propane, just what they extract by themselves.

Blends can be quite flavorful and allow you to chill the LPG mixture below -30C so as to avoid extracting the longer chain molecules above the C-22 Cannabinoids, like C-40 b-Carotene, et al. Straight butane doesn't flow well below -30C, and the propane thins it some.

Propane is actually easier to purge and has less taste than butane. Propane is considered odorless, and Butane almost so, which is why they typically add Mercaptans for leak detection for most applications. It is important that you not purchase either fuel intended for that purpose, as it will leave Mercaptans behind in your concentrate, adding it's delightful garlicy flavor.

We buy 99.5% Instrument grade and redistill it to 99.998%,to get out the really nasty tasting mystery oils, which are typically longer chain hydrocarbons as high as C-18.

Instrument grade has very little mystery oil in it, but when we re-distill lighter butane, we remove a significant amount with some brands and some with all.
 
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shaggyballs

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I think this is how it was explained to me........
They are very close to one another.
The Propane Molecule has more fingers than butane to grab more things during an extraction.
Therefore the yeild should increase but quality will be diluted slightly.
Some say a mix is your best bet......best of both worlds I guess.
I believe N butane is the purest of them all.
Propane works better as a propellant and boils at a different temperature that butane.
That effects how the liquid will move also.

Peace
Shag
 

Fadedawg

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Carbon atoms can maintain four bonds and Hydrogen one. All positions and orbits are all filled in both n-Propane and n-Butane, which is why they are called fully saturated.

They are close to one another and identical except for the number carbon and hydrogen atoms. Propane is a C-3 and Butane is a C-4.

Alkanes always have twice as many hydrogen as carbon atoms, plus two, hence C3H8 and C4H10.
 
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