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Fogdog

Fogdog

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scumrot derelict said:
I will concede that I am not currently read up about nerve tissue / fresh neuron receptiveness as anyone else in the community.

Maybe I need to do some more reading before I opine abt this whole thing. But the crux of my argument is still solid. I can produce as many studies disproving the "transmission of signals" argument as ones that affirm it.
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I'd be interested in reading it. I studied the subject as a part of upper division Human Physiology lecture and lab classes. The subject of how nerves transmit signals didn't seem mysterious at all. Then again, I only studied it as an an undergraduate.

Not being pugilistic. Just curious why you say we don't know how nerves "work". The link contains a pretty good description of how they transmit signals but maybe you are talking about something else. Anyway, if you feel like citing something, I'll read it.

Oh and that physicist that Taco talked about didn't choose an apt metaphor to describe entanglement. Agree with you there.
 
scumrot derelict

scumrot derelict

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Fogdog said:
I'd be interested in reading it. I studied the subject as a part of Human Physiology lecture and lab classes. The subject of how nerves transmit signals didn't seem mysterious at all. Then again, I only studied it as an an undergraduate.

Not being pugilistic. Just curious why you say we don't know how nerves "work". The link contains a pretty good description of how they transmit signals but maybe you are talking about something else. Anyway, if you feel like citing something, I'll read it.

Oh and that physicist that Taco talked about didn't choose an apt metaphor to describe entanglement. Agree with you there.
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I submit.

I am a fucking liar.

I only read 1/4 of the report, and then tried to pass the supposition off as fact.

I need to be honest with you.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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scumrot derelict said:
I submit.

I am a fucking liar.

I only read 1/4 of the report, and then tried to pass the supposition off as fact.

I need to be honest with you.
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You can depend that I'll read it if you post it. Probably not right now tho. It's been a good day and I'm winding down. I'm a lightweight, a toke is all it takes.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Fogdog said:
Not sure what you mean by "how nerves actually work. Depending on your meaning, we can say we know. We know how nerves transmit signals. Our understanding drops as the system becomes more complex. Still, a lot is known. Even the nervous system is not a total unknown but much remains to be understood.

The nerves along left shoulder blade recently went on strike and incapacitated my left arm.. That was a pain but eventually I got them back to work. We negotiated. We are good now.
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The nerves “along my left shoulder blade” dont innervate the the muscles of the arm
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Fogdog said:
I'd be interested in reading it. I studied the subject as a part of upper division Human Physiology lecture and lab classes. The subject of how nerves transmit signals didn't seem mysterious at all. Then again, I only studied it as an an undergraduate.

Not being pugilistic. Just curious why you say we don't know how nerves "work". The link contains a pretty good description of how they transmit signals but maybe you are talking about something else. Anyway, if you feel like citing something, I'll read it.

Oh and that physicist that Taco talked about didn't choose an apt metaphor to describe entanglement. Agree with you there.
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The ion depolarisation model (Huxley-Hodgkinson) should produce heat which isn’t observed. We have a Newtonian explanation for what are possibly quantum effects.
Fogdog said:
I'd be interested in reading it. I studied the subject as a part of upper division Human Physiology lecture and lab classes. The subject of how nerves transmit signals didn't seem mysterious at all. Then again, I only studied it as an an undergraduate.

Not being pugilistic. Just curious why you say we don't know how nerves "work". The link contains a pretty good description of how they transmit signals but maybe you are talking about something else. Anyway, if you feel like citing something, I'll read it.

Oh and that physicist that Taco talked about didn't choose an apt metaphor to describe entanglement. Agree with you there.
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“the Hodgkin-Huxley picture only contains the Ψdq term describing the work necessary to charge the membrane ca- pacitor. Not contained are changes in all other quantities, e.g., heat changes (TdS) or the work performed by variations in length and thickness. Careful measurements show, however, that all other thermodynamic quantities also vary in phase with the voltage changes across the membrane. This is not widely known - partially because such measurements require significantly more effort than recording voltage changes which is very simple. The accepted nerve model has no language for non-electrical phenomena. However, numerous changes of nerves are known that occur during the action potential.”

Thomas Heimburg
NDie Physik der Nerven. Physik Journal 2009, 8 (3): 33-39 Neils Bohr institute, University of Copenhagen.

Then there is this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681944/#!po=0.357143
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
If moonbug had just stopped with how incredibly far we have come but how far we have to go to understand the universe, not to mention life on this planet he'd have plenty of agreement. The part that is totally nuts is his assertion that it's OK if mankind wipes itself out by making this planet uninhabitable because as he says, our spirits will move on to other planets. Because "quantum physics".

I can't make this shit up.
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god, or fate, or kismet, or wtfe....gave us a beautiful planet to live on. if we fuck it up, we ain't getting another one...
 
Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
god, or fate, or kismet, or wtfe....gave us a beautiful planet to live on. if we fuck it up, we ain't getting another one...
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There are so many things wrong with that belief being used to justify not doing anything to mitigate effects of human caused global warming.

Religion clouds the mind. Moonbug is but one example.
 
Fogdog

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zeddd said:
The nerves “along my left shoulder blade” dont innervate the the muscles of the arm
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There are nerve bundles that run from the second or third vertebra, along or under top of the shoulder blade and down the arm. If somebody pulls a muscle attached to the shoulder blade in that area, it swells up and impinges on one or more bundles. The nerves in the bundle start firing and it causes all sorts of problems.with the shoulder, back, arm and hand.

https://www.rocmd.com/conditions-treated/shoulder-anatomy/shoulder-nerve-compression-syndromes/

But I wasn't being serious when I posted about it earlier. Wasn't a good joke but jokes don't survive explanation. Thanks.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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zeddd said:
The ion depolarisation model (Huxley-Hodgkinson) should produce heat which isn’t observed. We have a Newtonian explanation for what are possibly quantum effects.


“the Hodgkin-Huxley picture only contains the Ψdq term describing the work necessary to charge the membrane ca- pacitor. Not contained are changes in all other quantities, e.g., heat changes (TdS) or the work performed by variations in length and thickness. Careful measurements show, however, that all other thermodynamic quantities also vary in phase with the voltage changes across the membrane. This is not widely known - partially because such measurements require significantly more effort than recording voltage changes which is very simple. The accepted nerve model has no language for non-electrical phenomena. However, numerous changes of nerves are known that occur during the action potential.”

Thomas Heimburg
NDie Physik der Nerven. Physik Journal 2009, 8 (3): 33-39 Neils Bohr institute, University of Copenhagen.

Then there is this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681944/#!po=0.357143
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I was not talking about our understanding of how the brain works, only talking about how nerves transmit signals. Interesting that energy balances remain to be fully understood. Don't see how this disproves the general understanding of how an electrical charge travels along the nerve or crosses synapse. The article is 14 pages. Printed it out. Not going to get to it right away but will. Thanks.

Specifically stayed away from claiming we understand how the nervous system "worked" in part or as a whole. I don't think anybody claims that.
 
Grandpapy

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I took a fall 30 yrs ago, on the way down my hip hit an outcropping had a bruise the size of a 1lb deluxe cheeseburger. Now when I scratch/itch my hip I feel it in the middle of my back.

Wow, that was back when CA had less corp. control and more water per person.
 
captainmorgan

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As the climate unravels we'll see some extreme shit starting next weak. A heat dome over the arctic will cause historic ice melt and the US will see slow moving storms with very heavy rains and lots of tornadoes lasting up to 10 days. It's early in the computer models but this looks bad.
 
Bugeye

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captainmorgan said:
As the climate unravels we'll see some extreme shit starting next weak. A heat dome over the arctic will cause historic ice melt and the US will see slow moving storms with very heavy rains and lots of tornadoes lasting up to 10 days. It's early in the computer models but this looks bad.
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I blame the consumers of fossil fuels.
 
UncleBuck

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Bugeye said:
I blame the consumers of fossil fuels.
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but you said that human activities aren't the drivers of global warming though

maybe you wanna rethink the bullshit you're spamming us with and at least make it consistent

oh, and then tell us why you are spamming us with global warming conspiracy theories that are espoused by white supremacists like david duke
 
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