captainmorgan
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tRUmp is going to start a war with Iran, unconfirmed reports of US war planes bombing IRG and their militias in Syria.
The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out
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captainmorgan
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The end is near, just watched a video of the easter bunny beating up a guy on a Florida street.
captainmorgan
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Fun fact about something both Nixon and tRUmp have in common, they both liked to beat their wives.
captainmorgan
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LOL
DIY-HP-LED
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Stone was always a whore, or the son of one...
captainmorgan
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Paul Manafort liked to watch his wife pull trains with black men, I know this sounds made up but it's true.
Herb & Suds
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I wonder if that explains him acid washing his bathtub?
EEEEK never mind that was Bannon LOL
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump's Approval Hits All Time Low After The Release Of The Mueller Report | The Last Word | MSNBC
President Trump's approval rating has reached a new low in the first polls after the release of the Mueller report. Art of the Deal co-author Tony Schwartz talks to Lawrence O’Donnell about how Trump reacts to negative news about himself and what it will mean for his presidency.
Rob Roy
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Didn't FDR. Truman and LBJ already "get away with everything" ?
Racist FDR put Americans in concentration camps without due process and stole gold etc.
The idiot Truman authorized the terrorist nuclear vaporization of thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.
LBJ false flagged the start of the Viet Nam war and disgracefully fooled minorities into thinking he was their friend. Plus he strangled JFK with his own intestines.
DIY-HP-LED
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First your comparing two of the best American presidents with the worst one by far.Didn't FDR. Truman and LBJ already "get away with everything" ?
Racist FDR put Americans in concentration camps without due process and stole gold etc.
The idiot Truman authorized the terrorist nuclear vaporization of thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.
LBJ false flagged the start of the Viet Nam war and disgracefully fooled minorities into thinking he was their friend. Plus he strangled JFK with his own intestines.
FDR was following recommendations by the military about the Japanese and it was a different time in America. Next you'll be shitting on Lincoln because there was slavery.
Truman saved well over a million American causalities and many more Japanese by dropping the bomb. I'm sure he would have been rightly impeached if he didn't and if you were waiting to go ashore with the Marines in 1945 you'd agree.
Nixion didn't do too well in Nam either and committed treason to get elected POTUS. LBJ was a major force behind the civil rights laws of the sixties and could overcome his racism, how about you?
Only a racist driven fool could support Trump at this point and it's gonna get harder to carry his water from here on out.
DIY-HP-LED
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Bernie Sanders just gave the best answer on impeachment
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/politics/bernie-sanders-impeachment-cnn-town-hall/index.html
(CNN)Bernie Sanders didn't build his political career on pragmatism. But on Monday night at a CNN-sponsored town hall, he showed that his presidential candidacy will be about more than simply tilting at windmills -- delivering a practical (and nuanced) response to whether his party should push to impeach President Donald Trump in the wake of the release of the Mueller report.
Here's the bulk of what Sanders said (it's long, but important):
"At the end of the day, what is most important to me is to see that Donald Trump is not re-elected president, and I intend to do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen.
"But if -- and this is an if -- if for the next year, year-and-a-half, going right into the heart of the election, all that the Congress is talking about is impeaching Trump and Trump, Trump, Trump, and Mueller, Mueller, Mueller, and we're not talking about health care, we're not talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, we're not talking about combating climate change, we're not talking about sexism and racism and homophobia, and all of the issues that concern ordinary Americans, what I worry about is that works to Trump's advantage."
Sanders went on to say that he supports the House conducting an investigation into some of the seemingly obstructive behaviors by Trump documented by Mueller and that, once that investigation concludes, he was open to reassessing.
That seems to me to be right where Democrats need to be heading into 2020. And here's why:
1) Abandoning the Mueller report conclusions is unacceptable to the party's political base.
2) Impeachment will allow Trump to paint himself as a victim of overly partisan Democrats looking to run him out because they lost an election.
3) Senate Republicans will simply not abandon Trump en masse, ensuring that even if impeachment succeeds in the House, Trump will not be removed from office.
Given those three competing realities, Sanders' position -- we need to continue to investigate but we can't build the entire Democratic case against Trump in 2020 around impeachment -- is the most politically sound place to be.
Although Sanders didn't mention the 2016 campaign or Hillary Clinton's strategy against Trump in that race, it's clear that his position on Trump and impeachment is informed by that contest.
In 2016, Clinton's underlying (and sometimes overlying) message was something like this: Trump is awful and you will never vote for him. And I am the only other person running for president.
Yes, Clinton talked policy, too, but the overarching message was entirely focused on her belief that Trump was unfit for office. And voters agreed! Exit polling from that race showed that just more than a third of all voters liked Trump, thought he was honest and trustworthy or believed he had the temperament to be president. But even some of those who didn't like Trump voted for him anyway because they didn't like Clinton much more -- and, as importantly, they had no sense of what she would do differently.
In short, the 2016 race became a personality contest between two people that voters didn't like. So they chose the one they thought might change things more.
Sanders is clearly wary -- and rightly so -- of re-running that race. To that point, this part of his impeachment answer really hit a chord:
"If for the next year, year-and-a-half, going right into the heart of the election, all that the Congress is talking about is impeaching Trump and Trump, Trump, Trump, and Mueller, Mueller, Mueller, and we're not talking about health care, we're not talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, we're not talking about combating climate change, we're not talking about sexism and racism and homophobia, and all of the issues that concern ordinary Americans, what I worry about is that works to Trump's advantage."
That's a correct assessment. Democrats don't need to convince voters that Donald Trump isn't presidential or isn't their cup of tea. Most -- outside of Trump's hardcore supporters -- already believe that. What Democrats need to do is prove to voters that on the issues they care about, Trump's policies are dangerous. Whether that's on his call to repeal the Affordable Care Act or his decision to pull the US out of the Paris Climate Accord or his hardline immigration policies.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/politics/bernie-sanders-impeachment-cnn-town-hall/index.html
(CNN)Bernie Sanders didn't build his political career on pragmatism. But on Monday night at a CNN-sponsored town hall, he showed that his presidential candidacy will be about more than simply tilting at windmills -- delivering a practical (and nuanced) response to whether his party should push to impeach President Donald Trump in the wake of the release of the Mueller report.
Here's the bulk of what Sanders said (it's long, but important):
"At the end of the day, what is most important to me is to see that Donald Trump is not re-elected president, and I intend to do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen.
"But if -- and this is an if -- if for the next year, year-and-a-half, going right into the heart of the election, all that the Congress is talking about is impeaching Trump and Trump, Trump, Trump, and Mueller, Mueller, Mueller, and we're not talking about health care, we're not talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, we're not talking about combating climate change, we're not talking about sexism and racism and homophobia, and all of the issues that concern ordinary Americans, what I worry about is that works to Trump's advantage."
Sanders went on to say that he supports the House conducting an investigation into some of the seemingly obstructive behaviors by Trump documented by Mueller and that, once that investigation concludes, he was open to reassessing.
That seems to me to be right where Democrats need to be heading into 2020. And here's why:
1) Abandoning the Mueller report conclusions is unacceptable to the party's political base.
2) Impeachment will allow Trump to paint himself as a victim of overly partisan Democrats looking to run him out because they lost an election.
3) Senate Republicans will simply not abandon Trump en masse, ensuring that even if impeachment succeeds in the House, Trump will not be removed from office.
Given those three competing realities, Sanders' position -- we need to continue to investigate but we can't build the entire Democratic case against Trump in 2020 around impeachment -- is the most politically sound place to be.
Although Sanders didn't mention the 2016 campaign or Hillary Clinton's strategy against Trump in that race, it's clear that his position on Trump and impeachment is informed by that contest.
In 2016, Clinton's underlying (and sometimes overlying) message was something like this: Trump is awful and you will never vote for him. And I am the only other person running for president.
Yes, Clinton talked policy, too, but the overarching message was entirely focused on her belief that Trump was unfit for office. And voters agreed! Exit polling from that race showed that just more than a third of all voters liked Trump, thought he was honest and trustworthy or believed he had the temperament to be president. But even some of those who didn't like Trump voted for him anyway because they didn't like Clinton much more -- and, as importantly, they had no sense of what she would do differently.
In short, the 2016 race became a personality contest between two people that voters didn't like. So they chose the one they thought might change things more.
Sanders is clearly wary -- and rightly so -- of re-running that race. To that point, this part of his impeachment answer really hit a chord:
"If for the next year, year-and-a-half, going right into the heart of the election, all that the Congress is talking about is impeaching Trump and Trump, Trump, Trump, and Mueller, Mueller, Mueller, and we're not talking about health care, we're not talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, we're not talking about combating climate change, we're not talking about sexism and racism and homophobia, and all of the issues that concern ordinary Americans, what I worry about is that works to Trump's advantage."
That's a correct assessment. Democrats don't need to convince voters that Donald Trump isn't presidential or isn't their cup of tea. Most -- outside of Trump's hardcore supporters -- already believe that. What Democrats need to do is prove to voters that on the issues they care about, Trump's policies are dangerous. Whether that's on his call to repeal the Affordable Care Act or his decision to pull the US out of the Paris Climate Accord or his hardline immigration policies.
more...
Roger A. Shrubber
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holy shit you just get stupider every time i take you off of ignore....this was a quick turnaround.Didn't FDR. Truman and LBJ already "get away with everything" ?
Racist FDR put Americans in concentration camps without due process and stole gold etc.
The idiot Truman authorized the terrorist nuclear vaporization of thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.
LBJ false flagged the start of the Viet Nam war and disgracefully fooled minorities into thinking he was their friend. Plus he strangled JFK with his own intestines.
Fogdog
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Same old Sanders. Same old argument using false choices. "Either we set aside Trump's crimes and do the nation's work or do nothing else and lose to him in 2020." Democrats in the House are not going to do either, they are taking a middle way that keeps open the possibility of impeachment through continuing investigations.
Sanders hasn't gotten a single important thing done in his 14 years as a Senator and he's the one who is telling House Democrats they should get to work?
Fuck Sanders.
UncleBuck
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Wait, you expect us to believe you’re against racism?Didn't FDR. Truman and LBJ already "get away with everything" ?
Racist FDR put Americans in concentration camps without due process and stole gold etc.
The idiot Truman authorized the terrorist nuclear vaporization of thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.
LBJ false flagged the start of the Viet Nam war and disgracefully fooled minorities into thinking he was their friend. Plus he strangled JFK with his own intestines.
DIY-HP-LED
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Bernie leads the democratic pack by double digits and is doing massive fund raising through small donations, though it's still early and Joe Biden is about to jump in. Publicly investigating Trump makes sense and so does impeaching him at the end of that process to put the republican senate on the spot. The American people are gonna be the ultimate jury on this and dramatic public hearings exposing Trump as much as possible seems to make sense, as does putting senators on record eventually. Further public education is required to bring more Americans around and public hearings and dramatic cat fights will get their attention. Then there's Donald, as in what crazy and illegal shit is he gonna do over the next several months in his daily struggle to survive.
America is still craving for change, it was Obama's mantra, "hope and change" and it was part of the reason Trump is POTUS, Bernie represents that change. The poling and primaries are the best guide to who's best suited to take on Trump in 2020, if he survives that long, and right now that looks like Bernie, though it's early days. I'm a Canadian who just wants to see Trump removed from office and replaced by a responsible, normal adult, so I don't have much stake in who becomes the democratic nominee, as long as they can win.
Fogdog
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READ what he said.
In his speech he offered a false choice. Either drop any idea of impeachment or lose to Trump. That's all he's ever done is carp at others without offering a valid alternative. He's a seagull. Flies around, eats other people's lunches and then shits on their heads.
The House is doing neither of his false choices. As you say, they are following a path that keeps the option of impeachment open but won't tie the chamber up and prevent them from getting work done.
He hasn't accomplished anything important in 14 years as a Senator. Why is that? Because he isn't a Democrat, he's an independent. Why is that? Because he doesn't work well with others.
Speaking of getting work done, I'd like to see Sanders accomplish something. His health care bill is embarrassingly light on details. No details on how it will be paid for or how much it will cost. Simple assumptions on how much to pay hospitals. No mention on how to manage the growth in staffing needed to grow Medicare into a healthcare provider for everybody.
Typical of Sanders, in spite of his lack of accomplishment, he tells people who HAVE done great work what THEY should be doing?
Fuck Sanders.
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Rob Roy
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FDR incarcerated Americans without due process in order to "protect America", "the bastion of freedom" . Illogical Fail.
No, Truman did not save over a million American casualties. Japan was defeated and simply wanted their Emperor not to be executed etc. There was no need to invade Japan, it was defeated. The outcome of the war or whether Japan was going to surrender was a forgone conclusion. Are you saying it's okay to kill innocent people in order to try to kill bad guys? So, if FDR stole my gold, you'd have been okay with me bombing all of Washington D.C. to get FDR ? That's absurd, there's no such thing as "collateral damage". It's murder. Truman signed off, knowing he would be killing babies, an act of terrorism.
LBJ didn't overcome his racism, he threw bread into the crowd in order to expand the warfare / welfare state of government. Fuck Nixon, he was a tool of the Federal Reserve.
Lincoln? Violated the constitution regularly. Seized arms without due process from people in Maryland. Conscripted soldiers (forced labor...a form of slavery) in order to prevent people from leaving the Union..meaning he was a large scale kidnapper, plus he had a funny beard.
Trump?
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Rob Roy
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Rob Roy
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I am not a racist, I could be a specieist though.
I am not for forced segregation or forced integration. I am for consensual human interactions, if that isn't possible, I am for neutral coexistence and respect for others rights to self determine.
FDR, your hero, was a racist, and he regularly lied, stole and loved to wash Uncle Joe Stalin's balls with his tongue.
DIY-HP-LED
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If he ended up the democratic nominee you'd still vote for him...