The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Fogdog said:

Congress should subpoena Trump.

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Can they? That would be truly interesting, they could do what Mueller couldn't and put the last piece of evidence into the puzzle. We all know Trump is incapable of telling the truth, even under oath!

Of course if it were part of an impeachment investigation, he might clam up, though I don't think he could claim impeachment for 5th amendment protection, since a sitting president can't be indicted, he should also have no 5th amendment rights either.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Can they? That would be truly interesting, they could do what Mueller couldn't and put the last piece of evidence into the puzzle. We all know Trump is incapable of telling the truth, even under oath!

Of course if it were part of an impeachment investigation, he might clam up, though I don't think he could claim impeachment for 5th amendment protection... But since a sitting president can't be indicted, he should also have no 5th amendment rights either.

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They could subpoena Trump but I don't think compel the president to appear.

more mood music.

Fogdog said:

They could subpoena Trump but I don't think compel the president to appear.

more mood music.

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What about if the house backed up by the SCOTUS required it, the mood music would increase in volume considerably and darken in tone. Remember the democrats wanna stretch this out a bit and might wait until closer to the election, though this kind of thing would probably be decided in a few months (past precedence).

DIY-HP-LED said:

What about if the house backed up by the SCOTUS required it, the mood music would increase in volume considerably and darken in tone. Remember the democrats wanna stretch this out a bit and might wait until closer to the election, though this kind of thing would probably be decided in a few months (past precedence).

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It would be a lovely tune.

Fogdog said:

It would be a lovely tune.

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I can hear the music playing

The uniform suits him, it somehow seems to fit, though the Nazis would have exterminated a Jewish fellow like him if they had the chance.

Fogdog said:

Barr is an insect and has discredited himself as an independent head of the Justice Department. Trump will use him to divert and distract. Barr isn't worth the time. Congress should subpoena Trump.

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Barr might interfere with ongoing investigations and congress needs to keep him on his toes, as will the possibility of DOJ leaks and whistle blowers.

Barr has exposed his loyalty and it is not to the American people, just like Trump
It may cost Democrats an election but Trump and Barr need to be brought up on charges of high crimes and misdemeanors starting with obstruction

none of this is going to be easy...parasites don't just pack up and leave when you tell them to, they dig in and suck more blood till you burn them out....
if any of you think trump will make getting rid of him easy, you're dumber than he is...
he's going to kick, and scream, and accuse, and misdirect, and lie. he's going to cause spectacles to draw attention away from his fuckery. he's going to try to smear everyone whose ever said one word against him, and if he gets some on his few allies, he doesn't give a shit...
no matter which way this goes, it's going to be difficult, nasty, and hurtful for the country...

Roger A. Shrubber said:

none of this is going to be easy...parasites don't just pack up and leave when you tell them to, they dig in and suck more blood till you burn them out....
if any of you think trump will make getting rid of him easy, you're dumber than he is...
he's going to kick, and scream, and accuse, and misdirect, and lie. he's going to cause spectacles to draw attention away from his fuckery. he's going to try to smear everyone whose ever said one word against him, and if he gets some on his few allies, he doesn't give a shit...
no matter which way this goes, it's going to be difficult, nasty, and hurtful for the country...

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That describes his entire presidency

If I did one tenth of the shit he has done when I was in the Navy... I'd still be in prison

do you suppose anyone has come to trump and offered him "a way out"...?
McConnel and Pellosi should come to him together, and tell him "look, we all know that when you get out of office, the law is going to come down on you so hard you'll be buried in prison orange (which he should be used to).
leave office now, cleanly, with no dramatics, no big speeches about being forced out, just make the announcement that effective today, you are stepping down as president, and we guarantee that you and your immediate family will not be prosecuted for anything you've done up to this point. we won't seize your bank accounts, or your businesses.
for the good of the country and it's people, step down.
if not, we will block every single thing you do for the rest of your term, and withdraw all support from you for the 2020 election. and you'll still be facing the law..."

Roger A. Shrubber said:

do you suppose anyone has come to trump and offered him "a way out"...?
McConnel and Pellosi should come to him together, and tell him "look, we all know that when you get out of office, the law is going to come down on you so hard you'll be buried in prison orange (which he should be used to).
leave office now, cleanly, with no dramatics, no big speeches about being forced out, just make the announcement that effective today, you are stepping down as president, and we guarantee that you and your immediate family will not be prosecuted for anything you've done up to this point. we won't seize your bank accounts, or your businesses.
for the good of the country and it's people, step down.
if not, we will block every single thing you do for the rest of your term, and withdraw all support from you for the 2020 election. and you'll still be facing the law..."

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No deals, None, except plea deals like what Cohen got. But we all know he'll lie and end up like Manafort.

I do hope that Congress and the states will start looking into making our elections more secure going forward. This seems to have been forgotten in all the hullabaloo. Perhaps that was intentional. Republicans don't really want free and fair elections.

Fogdog said:

No deals, None, except plea deals like what Cohen got. But we all know he'll lie and end up like Manafort.

I do hope that Congress and the states will start looking into making our elections more secure going forward. This seems to have been forgotten in all the hullabaloo. Perhaps that was intentional. Republicans don't really want free and fair elections.

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Perhaps? I thought they made it pretty clear they don't want anyone but Republicans to vote

On the bright side, future democratic presidents will be able to get away with essentially anything. They'll be able to declare national emergencies on guns, health care, education, climate change...you name it.

And it'll all be legal thanks to Trump. I'm looking forward to watching all the GOP'ers yell and scream at the top of their lungs when shit turns against them.

I'll just smile and say, "Well, YOUR guy set the precedent. YOU made it happen."

Of course, they don't know what a precedent is, which will lead to a lot of explaining, which will lead to them getting lost as usual...but I'll still have fun with it.

TacoMac said:

On the bright side, future democratic presidents will be able to get away with essentially anything. They'll be able to declare national emergencies on guns, health care, education, climate change...you name it.

And it'll all be legal thanks to Trump. I'm looking forward to watching all the GOP'ers yell and scream at the top of their lungs when shit turns against them.

I'll just smile and say, "Well, YOUR guy set the precedent. YOU made it happen."

Of course, they don't know what a precedent is, which will lead to a lot of explaining, which will lead to them getting lost as usual...but I'll still have fun with it.

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We can do as many scotus judges as we want and confirm them all with 50 votes

After all, the gop decided 8 was fine until they were in power, then they made it 9

Let’s make it 15 once we’re back in power

Roger A. Shrubber said:

do you suppose anyone has come to trump and offered him "a way out"...?
McConnel and Pellosi should come to him together, and tell him "look, we all know that when you get out of office, the law is going to come down on you so hard you'll be buried in prison orange (which he should be used to).
leave office now, cleanly, with no dramatics, no big speeches about being forced out, just make the announcement that effective today, you are stepping down as president, and we guarantee that you and your immediate family will not be prosecuted for anything you've done up to this point. we won't seize your bank accounts, or your businesses.
for the good of the country and it's people, step down.
if not, we will block every single thing you do for the rest of your term, and withdraw all support from you for the 2020 election. and you'll still be facing the law..."

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I think it'll be a fight to the death, Donald is long past forgiveness and knows there's no way out except jumping on AF1 and heading to Moscow, if Vlad will have him. The only thing I could see is a pardon from Pence signed at the same time he resigns the presidency, he wouldn't trust Pence to pardon him unless they did the signing in the same room at almost the same time. He would pardon his family first and probably throw everybody else under the bus, otherwise it's prison for him and his family when he's no longer POTUS. Donald has got it all on the line and if he makes it to election it will be a dandy, win and he's home free, lose and go to jail.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I think it'll be a fight to the death, Donald is long past forgiveness and knows there's no way out except jumping on AF1 and heading to Moscow, if Vlad will have him. The only thing I could see is a pardon from Pence signed at the same time he resigns the presidency, he wouldn't trust Pence to pardon him unless they did the signing in the same room at almost the same time. He would pardon his family first and probably throw everybody else under the bus, otherwise it's prison for him and his family when he's no longer POTUS. Donald has got it all on the line and if he makes it to election it will be a dandy, win and he's home free, lose and go to jail.

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Sad for all Americans either way

Herb & Suds said:

Sad for all Americans either way

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Through history, treason and circumstance an unfit, unqualified and probably illegitimate Trump is POTUS and America must deal with the reality. I think Nacy Pelosi is the best person qualified to to deal with Donald. Slow walk impeachment, focus on dramatic public hearings that people will pay attention to, open investigations to present the information to the public and feed the news media. People will pay more attention to the scandal(s) if there is public testimony than just the Mueller report, hearings will be grist for the mill of the media for many months and make it harder for the republicans to support Trump. Let the committees investigate and the house, senate and presidential candidates can talk about health care and other issues that matter to most Americans. The democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time, they don't need to mention Trump much, the media is going into a feeding frenzy over this stuff until Trump is gone and will do the work of whittling down Trump for them with simple facts, honest debate & common sense commentary. Many Americans are getting a real legal education if they've been following along, the networks have lot's of legal experts and consultants who are giving loads of legal information and insight to the public.

Sealed indictments await orange stool, junior dotard and jarhead, to be unsealed after the 2020 election boots the infection. In this way, Mueller takes the pardon card out of stool's hand. Sealed indictments stop the clock of the statute of limitations.

It's just a guess, or wish.