Israel is a racist Nation (it really is)

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Not aware of it. Is this what you are talking about?

Taqiya (تقیة, taqiyyah/ taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution") is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.

this is understandable when used in the face of oppression to protect yourself and your family.
it is not understandable when expanded into every day dealings with people of other faiths who are not oppressing you, when used to deceive, mislead, and cover up misdeeds.
not saying anyone in particular is doing this...but some people are. there are extremist on all sides, and none of them are doing anything good. there are over 4200 recognized religion, and at least one zealot in each one...

 

[Fogdog]

Sorry I have eyes and can see how incredibly anti Semitic that cartoon you liked was

yup,

liking a post is speech too.

If you don't want to appear to be a nazi, don't like cartoons from them.

 

[crimsonecho]

So, how many Syrian refugees did your country take in during this crisis?

How about Jewish refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan? If Israel collapsed due to the heavy handed policies that Zedd pointed out I was endorsing, would your be in favor of taking in refugees?

I'll freely admit that the US could and should do more for refugees. We have a xenophobic, racist and bigoted administration that does more harm than good nowadays.

I can tell its much much more than us did as a country with 320.000.000+ population. But still i think, it should be more. I don’t care about the gods people pray to. Every god is equally made up. Why do you think i would refuse jewish refugees or any other. Why do you see these made up constructs when you look at a person in need.

As i said way back somewhere, humans have created this society, they built it, everyone obeys its rules. You educate to make people obey its rules or imprison them if they fail to do so. You can let people come, you can educate the ones that needs an education, you can show them compassion, you can show them kindness. You can integrate those people into your society. Most of the refugees i talk to, only wants a peaceful life and equal opportunities. They only want freedom. Most of them. And just because couple of assholes amongst them may have ulterior motives, that doesn’t mean we should close borders.

 

[Fogdog]

this is understandable when used in the face of oppression to protect yourself and your family.
it is not understandable when expanded into every day dealings with people of other faiths who are not oppressing you, when used to deceive, mislead, and cover up misdeeds.
not saying anyone in particular is doing this...but some people are. there are extremist on all sides, and none of them are doing anything good. there are over 4200 recognized religion, and at least one zealot in each one...

There is nothing wrong with sitting down and talking about how to make peace. Israel is using this bizarre idea as an excuse. IMO

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

There is nothing wrong with sitting down and talking about how to make peace. Israel is using this bizarre idea as an excuse. IMO

i don't think either side in that fight is interested in sitting down and achieving peace anymore. they both want the extinction of the other. Just because i don't like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, doesn't mean i don't realize the Palestinians are equally as guilty of escalating tensions and ignoring paths to peace.

 

[zeddd]

Not aware of it. Is this what you are talking about?

Taqiya (تقیة, taqiyyah/ taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution") is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.

Yes but that is the online version, the masjid version is it’s ok to lie to non believers if it furthers the cause of Islam.

 

[Jimdamick]

Sorry I have eyes and can see how incredibly anti Semitic that cartoon you liked was

That might not have been the best post to like, I admit that, but my rational was that it did depict a situation which is that Trump will do anything, not for the Jews, but for his own political ambitions, like sucking up to the Evangelicals, which every thinking man should understand that's what's behind his agenda in dealing with Israel.
Do you really think Trump likes Israel or the Jews which he professes to do, or is it simply for the votes?
I think it's for the votes.

 

[Fogdog]

Yes but that is the online version, the masjid version is it’s ok to lie to non believers if it furthers the cause of Islam.

This is not an excuse for Israel's unending treatment of the people of Gaza. The leadership of Gaza is ready to negotiate and has good reason to do so. Israel has all the power and ability to find a way to end this. That is, assuming they want to. The US can ensure Israel wants to.

 

[zeddd]

This is not an excuse for Israel's unending treatment of the people of Gaza. The leadership of Gaza is ready to negotiate and has good reason to do so. Israel has all the power and ability to find a way to end this. That is, assuming they want to. The US can ensure Israel wants to.

I agree, my response was to your semantic point regarding taqiya and whether Israel was as willing as the Palestinians to negotiate. In the light of my insider revelation do you take the word of the Palestinian s to be worth anything?

 

[Fogdog]

I can tell its much much more than us did as a country with 320.000.000+ population. But still i think, it should be more. I don’t care about the gods people pray to. Every god is equally made up. Why do you think i would refuse jewish refugees or any other. Why do you see these made up constructs when you look at a person in need.

As i said way back somewhere, humans have created this society, they built it, everyone obeys its rules. You educate to make people obey its rules or imprison them if they fail to do so. You can let people come, you can educate the ones that needs an education, you can show them compassion, you can show them kindness. You can integrate those people into your society. Most of the refugees i talk to, only wants a peaceful life and equal opportunities. They only want freedom. Most of them. And just because couple of assholes amongst them may have ulterior motives, that doesn’t mean we should close borders.

Some here are citing a doctrine of Taqiyya as a reason why Israel refuses to negotiate with the Palestinian leadership of Gaza. What is the answer to that?

 

[Fogdog]

I agree, my response was to your semantic point regarding taqiya and whether Israel was as willing as the Palestinians to negotiate. In the light of my insider revelation do you take the word of the Palestinian s to be worth anything?

I'm nonplussed. In every negotiation, one has to build trust and devise checks and balances in whatever is agreed upon. Israel has all the power and is blockading Gaza to the point of turning the area into a prison. I agree with others that it is reasonable to question Israel's motives but the motives of the people of Gaza are pretty obvious.

 

[zeddd]

I'm nonplussed. In every negotiation, one has to build trust and devise checks and balances in whatever is agreed upon. Israel has all the power and is blockading Gaza to the point of turning the area into a prison. I agree with others that it is reasonable to question Israel's motives but the motives of the people of Gaza are pretty obvious.

Does my fukin nut in

 

[crimsonecho]

Some here are citing a doctrine of Taqiyya as a reason why Israel refuses to negotiate with the Palestinian leadership of Gaza. What is the answer to that?

The answer is the same. Read the last sentence of the post you quoted. If you are afraid of your fellow humans then that means the system you built doesn’t functions properly. Violence is a consequence of injustice.

 

[gwheels]

Out of curiosity do you believe the Palestinians are peace loving people who do not want to harm Israel?

Hamas will never be pleased until Israel and all Jews are eradicated. Sounds like a great neighbor.

Palestine worships a different god and that is causing a lot of the problem. But the religions are not going anywhere and this has been a problem since Abraham.

And there will never be peace.

This hatred runs forever deep.

 

[Jimdamick]

I hate this thread, and I wish I had never started it because all it has become is a vicious assault on members that think differently about Israel, like your a Nazi, or a pedophile, or anti Semitic, something which I am not, but have been accused of, and something that should not be tossed around with abandon.
It started with simply quoting the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, in his own words, that Israel is a Jewish Nation, and essentially if your not a Jew, you really don't count.
That's what he said, and I had a problem with that statement.
But, it has turned into a fuck you fest, with people actually wishing death upon people that don't agree with their viewpoint.
Well I'm fucking sick of it, and have fun guy's, because I'm done posting on this thread.
And Buck, relax man, not everyone is a pedophile Nazi anti-Semite just because they don't agree with you.
Grow the fuck up

 

[Fogdog]

I hate this thread, and I wish I had never started it because all it has become is a vicious assault on members that think differently about Israel, like your a Nazi, or a pedophile, or anti Semitic, something which I am not, but have been accused of, and something that should not be tossed around with abandon.
It started with simply quoting the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, in his own words, that Israel is a Jewish Nation, and essentially if your not a Jew, you really don't count.
That's what he said, and I had a problem with that statement.
But, it has turned into a fuck you fest, with people actually wishing death upon people that don't agree with their viewpoint.
Well I'm fucking sick of it, and have fun guy's, because I'm done posting on this thread.
And Buck, relax man, not everyone is a pedophile Nazi anti-Semite just because they don't agree with you.
Grow the fuck up

Well, the dog that is struck hollers, so they say.

I'm critical of Israel but will just laugh if somebody say I'm neo-Nazi.

Don't use the same tropes as neo-Nazis and maybe nobody will call you one.

Seriously, though. You liked that cartoon?

 

[Fogdog]

Out of curiosity do you believe the Palestinians are peace loving people who do not want to harm Israel?

Hamas will never be pleased until Israel and all Jews are eradicated. Sounds like a great neighbor.

Palestine worships a different god and that is causing a lot of the problem. But the religions are not going anywhere and this has been a problem since Abraham.

And there will never be peace.

This hatred runs forever deep.

True, so long as Israel refuses to negotiate with leadership for the million or so people they have imprisoned in Gaza, there won't be peace. Israel has to come up with a way to come to peace. They have all the power and are abusing it. No peace can come from that.

Jews and Muslims lived side by side for hundreds of years. This isn't a "forever" thing.

 

[UncleBuck]

That might not have been the best post to like, I admit that

yeah, considering the depiction of trump as an ultra-racialized jew and that it was posted by a guy who rants about judeo-bolshevism more than hitler did, you can say that

, but my rational was that it did depict a situation which is that Trump will do anything, not for the Jews, but for his own political ambitions, like sucking up to the Evangelicals, which every thinking man should understand that's what's behind his agenda in dealing with Israel.
Do you really think Trump likes Israel or the Jews which he professes to do, or is it simply for the votes?
I think it's for the votes.

obviously he does it for the votes but you can make that argument like you just did without co-sponsoring neo-nazis and their anti-semitic tripe

 

[zeddd]

I hate this thread, and I wish I had never started it because all it has become is a vicious assault on members that think differently about Israel, like your a Nazi, or a pedophile, or anti Semitic, something which I am not, but have been accused of, and something that should not be tossed around with abandon.
It started with simply quoting the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, in his own words, that Israel is a Jewish Nation, and essentially if your not a Jew, you really don't count.
That's what he said, and I had a problem with that statement.
But, it has turned into a fuck you fest, with people actually wishing death upon people that don't agree with their viewpoint.
Well I'm fucking sick of it, and have fun guy's, because I'm done posting on this thread.
And Buck, relax man, not everyone is a pedophile Nazi anti-Semite just because they don't agree with you.
Grow the fuck up

Starts a fight then whines about the aggression of the opposition, you’re better than this jim

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

This is not an excuse for Israel's unending treatment of the people of Gaza. The leadership of Gaza is ready to negotiate and has good reason to do so. Israel has all the power and ability to find a way to end this. That is, assuming they want to. The US can ensure Israel wants to.

we won't. it is in the U.S's best interests to keep the area simmering just under warfare. we don't want them cooperating with each other, we want them dependent on our aid and assistance. we don't want them in a position where they can negotiate with russia or china, the less competition we have for their oil, the better we like it.
just makes me wonder what the entire region will do when their oil runs out in about 20 years? hope they invest in learning how to eat sand in the mean time.