The 'humanitarian crisis' in Venezuela... or not

ttystikk

ttystikk

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tangerinegreen555 said:
The reporter was taking cell phone pics of hungry people eating out of garbage cans.
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He and his crew were detained for hours.

You don't like American income disparity but it's a 'hit piece' when photographing people eating out of garbage cans in Venezuela?

Maduro is a greedy pig. Like the American greedy pigs you protest against.
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Ooooooo- 'hours'.

Definitely need to invade over that!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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TacoMac said:
Every time you make a complete idiot of yourself and stop posting for a while the value of content on this site improves by a factor of 10.
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Oh look- another purely personal attack with no relevant comment and indeed no reference to any topic.

I accept your concession.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
So the Carter Foundation lied about the Venezuelan elections are free and fair.

The UN investigator lied when he said there isn't a humanitarian disaster in Venezuela.

Pulitzer prize winning journalists don't know what they're talking about.

Your position is in lockstep with the Trump proto fascist regime- a regime- you say you don't support.

You ignore the documented evidence of western theft of Venezuelan income, denial of their purchases and medical supplies and other sanctions over the last several years- and then blame the Venezuelan government for these very activities.

We've all seen the wreckage of American interventionism around the world over the last half century and more, yet this time Venezuela will be the exception.

Holy fvck, you've even got Tom Bolton gleefully making plans to give their oil to American oil companies on camera.

But you say that I'm the deluded one.

Okay!
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Compare the sheer volume of reports coming from neutral and reliable news sources to the few countering points of view and a blatant propaganda site that is so bad at reporting facts it is labeled "satire" by Media Bias Fact Check.

You are doing exactly the same thing climate science deniers and Trump supporters do. Remember when we used to laugh together at people who cited Fox News and Breitbart as sources?

The logic in this statement is undeniable:


Opposition leaders, election experts decry Venezuela vote
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-turnout/opposition-leaders-election-experts-decry-venezuela-vote-idUSKBN1AG2FN

“They couldn’t have won like this if we’re dying of hunger,” she added, asking not to be identified by her full name because she feared reprisals

Consider how the US electorate would vote if the current administration were tied to an economy with inflation running at one-million percent while food and medicine became scarce. Maduro's huge win in the May election is not credible. His suppression of the free press in Venezuela compounds his lack of credibility.

Hugo Chavez was the socialist revolutionary. Maduro is the fascist military dictator that all too often appears later in the revolutionary cycle.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Ooooooo- 'hours'.

Definitely need to invade over that!
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You do understand that detaining the media for even a few hours without a good reason is sending a message to them, don't you? Why would Maduro take actions to suppress the media if he has nothing to hide?

Do you reject video from Human Rights Watch?



Human Rights Watch

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These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Factual Reporting: HIGH
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-rights-watch/
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
I guess we'll watch and see who's right.

Hindsight is 20-20
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Nah, You are impervious to facts. Your hindsight is 20-50000.

By the way, you still haven't posted the article that you claimed said protesters were beating and killing people.

The video that I posted (and wouldn't blame you for not watching because it contains hideous images of police brutality on protesters) shows the police, military and paramilitary are doing exactly what Maduro denies is happening. Just stop denying it.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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hotrodharley said:
Any country that elected Donald Trump has zero business even opining on foreign elections and foreign leaders.
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Logic fail. Just because we have Trump doesn't mean what Maduro is doing is OK.

Is aid in the form of food and medicine such a bad thing?

Are you suggesting that propping up Maduro by US purchasing his oil the course of action we should take?
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Fogdog said:
Logic fail. Just because we have Trump doesn't mean what Maduro is doing is OK.

Is aid in the form of food and medicine such a bad thing?

Are you suggesting that propping up Maduro by US purchasing his oil the course of action we should take?
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I say let the citizens of Venezuela handle it.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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hotrodharley said:
I say let the citizens of Venezuela handle it.
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I totally agree that the US must not intervene militarily or any other direct action inside of Venezuela regardless which president is sitting in office. What is being done now -- giving food and medical aid to refugees and cutting off oil money from the US seems appropriate to me to. The food aid trucks that were stopped at the border was a provocative act to be sure and it's not clear to me why anybody would object to that. If you oppose any of those actions, would you please explain why?
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Fogdog said:
I totally agree that the US must not intervene militarily or any other direct action inside of Venezuela regardless which president is sitting in office. What is being done now -- giving food and medical aid to refugees and cutting off oil money from the US seems appropriate to me to. The food aid trucks that were stopped at the border was a provocative act to be sure and it's not clear to me why anybody would object to that. If you oppose any of those actions, would you please explain why?
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One of the suggestions was to get the aid in at numerous locations on a smaller scale to less politicize it. Perhaps that may have been a better more successful tact? But yes military intravention should only be a last resort to protect the public from a slaughter and nobody down there re Lima group, wants that so far.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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ttystikk said:
So the Carter Foundation lied about the Venezuelan elections are free and fair.

The UN investigator lied when he said there isn't a humanitarian disaster in Venezuela.

Pulitzer prize winning journalists don't know what they're talking about.

Your position is in lockstep with the Trump proto fascist regime- a regime- you say you don't support.

You ignore the documented evidence of western theft of Venezuelan income, denial of their purchases and medical supplies and other sanctions over the last several years- and then blame the Venezuelan government for these very activities.

We've all seen the wreckage of American interventionism around the world over the last half century and more, yet this time Venezuela will be the exception.

Holy fvck, you've even got Tom Bolton gleefully making plans to give their oil to American oil companies on camera.

But you say that I'm the deluded one.

Okay!
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Give my regards to flamingpie. You two are so far gone that you are bound to meet eventually.
 
blaze 57

blaze 57

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ttystikk said:

Amazing how the West looted Venezuelan assets, then blamed them for the resulting economic crisis.

When is the last time a United States led 'humanitarian intervention' actually led to the alleviation of suffering? Especially when oil is involved?

Why does anyone believe the likes of Donald Chump, Tom Bolton, Elliott Abrams about anything, let alone a sham as transparent as the Venezuelan destabilization affair?
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Who is looting who? Should check out Hugo Chevez's daughter. Her net worth is over 4 billion. I wonder where she got the Shekels?
 
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