Occasio Cortez, New Green Deal visionary?

Fogdog said:
Yes, and that's not what is said in the resolution. NPR got it wrong too. Agree that carbon neutral in ten years is not possible. But that's not the text of the resolution.

It says progress by 2030 and carbon neutral by 2050. Nothing says "must". Those are worthy goals to strive for.
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That’s good, may we continue to reduce pollution. Now why does a green deal need to provide for able people unwilling to work?
 
Bugeye said:
That’s good, may we continue to reduce pollution. Now why does a green deal need to provide for able people unwilling to work?
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You made shit up about the ten years. You have no credibility to lean on, you have to prove what you said is true. I went through the resolution and find no reference to "provide for able people unwilling to work" anywhere or in any form. Where does it say that in Cortez's resolution that the New Green Deal? Cite the page and paragraph number on that page where it says anything remotely like that in this document:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

You like to talk in circular logic. Another logical fallacy that I guess you think is clever but actually proves you wrong. Any response other than a cited page number and paragraph number on that page that says something like what you claim will be laughed at.

Because liars lie.
 
Oh what the heck, I'm laughing at you, you are laughing at yourself, everybody is laughing at you.

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@Bugeye Thanks for being such a great clown.
 
Fogdog said:
You made shit up about the ten years. You have no credibility to lean on, you have to prove what you said is true. I went through the resolution and find no reference to "provide for able people unwilling to work" anywhere or in any form. Where does it say that in Cortez's resolution that the New Green Deal? Cite the page and paragraph number on that page where it says anything remotely like that in this document:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

You like to talk in circular logic. Another logical fallacy that I guess you think is clever but actually proves you wrong. Any response other than a cited page number and paragraph number on that page that says something like what you claim will be laughed at.

Because liars lie.
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Chill little man, I'm was going off what she had on her website, before having to delete it because it was so ill thought out. Glad she realized the mistake.
 
Fogdog said:
Oh what the heck, I'm laughing at you, you are laughing at yourself, everybody is laughing at you.

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@Bugeye Thanks for being such a great clown.
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So AOC puts on her own website that it is a 10 year plan and will cover people unwilling to work, and I'm a clown for criticizing it? I'm a liar that made it up? And you also think I'm a nazi? Please tell me more! This is a very revealing dialogue!
 
Fogdog said:
"page not found"

From the Reagan Battalion. LOL Totally believable.

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Cite where it says anything like that in the resolution.
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Let's settle the issue of me making shit up:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...l-new-era-millennial-climate-politics/582295/

This can make for difficult politics. On Thursday morning, Ocasio-Cortez’s office published an FAQ about a Green New Deal that seemed to oppose carbon capture specifically. “We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems,” it read. By late afternoon, the FAQ had vanished from the congresswoman’s website.

https://www.westernjournal.com/ocas...new-deals-release-staff-took-webpage-offline/

Also included in Ocasio-Cortez’s FAQ was the promise of “(e)conomic security to all who are unable or unwilling to work,” which was also missing from the legislation.
 
Bugeye said:
So AOC puts on her own website that it is a 10 year plan and will cover people unwilling to work, and I'm a clown for criticizing it? I'm a liar that made it up? And you also think I'm a nazi? Please tell me more! This is a very revealing dialogue!
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Bugeye said:
Let's settle the issue of me making shit up:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...l-new-era-millennial-climate-politics/582295/

This can make for difficult politics. On Thursday morning, Ocasio-Cortez’s office published an FAQ about a Green New Deal that seemed to oppose carbon capture specifically. “We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems,” it read. By late afternoon, the FAQ had vanished from the congresswoman’s website.

https://www.westernjournal.com/ocas...new-deals-release-staff-took-webpage-offline/

Also included in Ocasio-Cortez’s FAQ was the promise of “(e)conomic security to all who are unable or unwilling to work,” which was also missing from the legislation.
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I'm sure you'd like to believe Ocasio Cortez really said that. I call bullshit and you gullible.

yeah sure. Cortez would say something like that. Who can say how those words got onto her site? For certain, she didn't say that. The resolution says nothing like that at all. Go to the source material -- the resolution submitted to Congress:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

No reference whatsoever near as I can find.

So, thanks for the laugh, nazi clown. You and your propaganda machine are making me laugh.

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Fogdog said:
"page not found"

From the Reagan Battalion. LOL Totally believable.

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Cite where it says anything like that in the resolution.
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Actually I am inclined to believe that somebody wrote that and that it was posted for a while. There is a whole lot of hubris capable of happening here. But there are still adults in the room.

Was it stupid? Yes, sir. You betcha. Is it guaranteed to piss off people who might otherwise vote against Trump? Uh huh. I shudder to think of some of the people AOC has taken to her bosom. I wish she was a little more reticent to seize the spotlight and I hope she understands that some of this is just wanking.
 
Fogdog said:
I'm sure you'd like to believe Ocasio Cortez really said that. I call bullshit and you gullible.

yeah sure. Cortez would say something like that. Who can say how those words got onto her site? For certain, she didn't say that. The resolution says nothing like that at all. Go to the source material -- the resolution submitted to Congress:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

No reference whatsoever near as I can find.

So, thanks for the laugh, nazi clown. You and your propaganda machine are making me laugh.

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Is that your way of apologizing? Probably one of the worst apologies ever. I believe you can find multiple news stories about her FAQ disappearing, and thanks to screen shots, it is not hard to know why!
 
Unclebaldrick said:
Actually I am inclined to believe that somebody wrote that and that it was posted for a while. There is a whole lot of hubris capable of happening here. But there are still adults in the room.

Was it stupid? Yes, sir. You betcha.
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All I have are so-called screen shots from two reactionary right wing propaganda sites. I don't call those credible sources.

Then again, maybe those words did make it onto her FAQ site. Somebody bungled or she was hacked. I tend to believe hacked. I do not believe those words came from either Ocasio or her staff. This doesn't pass the sniff test.

There is a whole lot of quick pouncing on this. To me, the bad look is on the people trumpeting this as if it were actual news.
 
Bugeye said:
Is that your way of apologizing? Probably one of the worst apologies ever. I believe you can find multiple news stories about her FAQ disappearing, and thanks to screen shots, it is not hard to know why!
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I'm not apologizing. I'm calling you a stupid Nazi clown for believing Ocasio Cortez would say something that dumb. I don't know if they are faked up screen shots or if her site was hacked. I tend to think it was hacked. Nobody would say something that dumb. Dumb people would believe it though.

The fact remains that the resolution contains nothing remotely like that language.

You and your kind are being used as tools.
 
Fogdog said:
All I have are so-called screen shots from two reactionary right wing propaganda sites. I don't call those credible sources.

Then again, maybe those words did make it onto her FAQ site. Somebody bungled or she was hacked. I tend to believe hacked. I do not believe those words came from either Ocasio or her staff. This doesn't pass the sniff test.

There is a whole lot of quick pouncing on this. To me, the bad look is on the people trumpeting this as if it were actual news.
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I doubt she said it too. A lot goes on in a Congressman's office. Was she hacked? Maybe. Or maybe she just has a fucking nutjob with the keys to the blog. Either way, it means little, but little mis-steps in this age ought to be avoided assiduously. These meme-sniffing idiots thrive on shit like this.
 
Unclebaldrick said:
I doubt she said it too. A lot goes on in a Congressman's office. Was she hacked? Maybe. Or maybe she just has a fucking nutjob with the keys to the blog. Either way, it means little, but little mis-steps in this age ought to be avoided assiduously.
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This does not pass the sniff test.

IF those screen shots were not doctored in and of themselves then her FAQ page was hacked. I don't think anybody working for her would say something that dumb. Especially when there is nothing in the resolution she submitted to Congress that remotely supports that idea.

I don't think being hacked is a mis-step. I think it was a hack and the FAQ was taken down because her staff realized it had been.
 
Fogdog said:
You made shit up about the ten years. You have no credibility to lean on, you have to prove what you said is true. I went through the resolution and find no reference to "provide for able people unwilling to work" anywhere or in any form. Where does it say that in Cortez's resolution that the New Green Deal? Cite the page and paragraph number on that page where it says anything remotely like that in this document:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

You like to talk in circular logic. Another logical fallacy that I guess you think is clever but actually proves you wrong. Any response other than a cited page number and paragraph number on that page that says something like what you claim will be laughed at.

Because liars lie.
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033-Green-New-Deal-FINAL.html

Above is a link to the first resolution she put out a couple days ago before switching it out. Please reference p. 6, line 9 for proof that I did not make up the 10 year plan. Also, you just might be a jackass.
 
Fogdog said:
This does not pass the sniff test.

IF those screen shots were not doctored in and of themselves then her FAQ page was hacked. I don't think anybody working for her would say something that dumb. Especially when there is nothing in the resolution she submitted to Congress that remotely supports that idea.

I don't think being hacked is a mis-step. I think it was a hack and the FAQ was taken down because her staff realized it had been.
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But there are people with very forward ideas that seem incomprehensibly dumb when viewed through the filter of the current political climate. Today there was a story on NPR about guaranteed minimum incomes being distributed to a small number of people (Sweden I think, don't quote me - Nope, Finland). These incomes were not dependent on the receivers working. So if they worked, they still get it. It they don't, they get it. Meanwhile, they are studying the impact of it. To stupid, cement-headed, bound in the 20th century people, this sounds like heresy. You couldn't try that experiment here.

Picture a world a few hundred years in the future. Star Trek shit. No real need to work as all your shit comes out of a matter compiler anyway and routine work is almost universally automated. Right now, most of us have jobs we would rather not do. But the time will arise when we choose to work out of self-fulfillment. It is a paradigm shift that is coming, but we are far from ready for it.

Dare to dream - but not if it elects fuck-faces like Trump.
 
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