Kamala Harris will announce her bid for 2020 on Jan 21

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
I read those links.

I don't see what the beef is with Harris in all of that.

Regarding Harborside, the author seems to be complaining that Harris has done what, exactly?

Rearding the SF grants that were refused, the consultant who engineered them had nothing to do with Harris. The article explicitly said so.

I fail to understand @Abiqua 's beef. He supports Republicans. Where are his comments calling out Trump for not following through on his campaign promises to legalize and decriminalize MJ?
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You are defending her as a response to the people who you don't like opposing her based on her political record of not being an actual progressive, not because of her actual political record

Let that sink in..

You're an adult who acts like a child and pretends to be enlightened
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
You are defending her as a response to the people who you don't like opposing her based on her political record of not being an actual progressive, not because of her actual political record

Let that sink in..

You're an adult who acts like a child and pretends to be enlightened
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I repeat. I read those articles and taken together they said she didn't have anything to do with either the ruling against SF or Harborside.

So I asked for a clarification. Down Boy!

I get that you don't like her and you can just say that. I won't argue with you over a baseless opinion thoough I will laugh at you for being an ignorant homer. If you want to argue over objective facts then I'm asking what she did wrong in either of those situations?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
I get that you don't like her and you can just say that.
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It is not about whether I like someone or not. This is what I have been trying to tell you for months. It's about political policy.

Do you understand that?

Stop trying to circumvent the issue

Start talking policy or close your mouth

Because nobody but housewife Democrats care
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
It is not about whether I like someone or not. This is what I have been trying to tell you for months. It's about political policy.

Do you understand that?

Stop trying to circumvent the issue

Start talking policy or close your mouth

Because nobody but housewife Democrats care
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So, your reply had nothing to do with the articles that Shrubber posted? There were no policy discussions in there, just a reference to her and I pointed out that the articles say she had nothing to do with eithe the SF budget crunch due to some financial shenanigans or the Harborside federal lawsuits.

Please, elucidate your differences in policy with Harris. I'm no mind reader and you have said nothing about policy differences regarding Harris.

For starters, I found this:

Opinions
Kamala Harris is in. She’ll be a formidable challenger.
Harris’s policy positions — Medicare for all, progressive tax reform, raise in the federal minimum wage, green energy, etc. — are not unique in a field with many progressive candidates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/22/kamala-harris-is/?utm_term=.828bca848e53

Do you have any issues with that?

Oh and thanks for conceding about your being wrong about the Democratic party and your idea that progressive means socialism. Liberal progressives are people who support leftward progress and not radical change to socialism. At least we can agree on that.

 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
You are defending her as a response to the people who you don't like opposing her based on her political record of not being an actual progressive, not because of her actual political record

Let that sink in..

You're an adult who acts like a child and pretends to be enlightened
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it's quite algebraic and may be a level or two above comprehension of some members; i'll leave you to decide which ones.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
I read those links.

I don't see what the beef is with Harris in all of that.

Regarding Harborside, the author seems to be complaining that Harris has done what, exactly?

Rearding the SF grants that were refused, the consultant who engineered them had nothing to do with Harris. The article explicitly said so.

I fail to understand @Abiqua 's beef. He supports Republicans. Where are his comments calling out Trump for not following through on his campaign promises to legalize and decriminalize MJ?
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she's the attorney general of the state...that should be directly under her purview....maybe she wasn't the one who engineered them, but they were directly tied to processes her office should have been more than aware of.
and as far as harborside...it's just business as usual for a politician...tell people what they want to hear, when they want to hear it, then abandon them when it becomes inconvenient....
in short, a less than presidential demeanor....
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
she's the attorney general of the state...that should be directly under her purview....maybe she wasn't the one who engineered them, but they were directly tied to processes her office should have been more than aware of.
and as far as harborside...it's just business as usual for a politician...tell people what they want to hear, when they want to hear it, then abandon them when it becomes inconvenient....
in short, a less than presidential demeanor....
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This thread is about somebody trying to save face by impressing us with his prognostication skills.

Wow. I am impressed. He nailed it just like he did when he said that Nancy Pelosi would need Republican votes (um, sure. Republicans often vote for the opposing party for speaker, he read it in wikipedia). Oh wait, Republicans never vote for Democrats as Speaker. Even a total novice at politics knows that - whatever wikipedia says.

Maybe @schuylaar lent him one of her "little birds".
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
she's the attorney general of the state...that should be directly under her purview....maybe she wasn't the one who engineered them, but they were directly tied to processes her office should have been more than aware of.
and as far as harborside...it's just business as usual for a politician...tell people what they want to hear, when they want to hear it, then abandon them when it becomes inconvenient....
in short, a less than presidential demeanor....
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I'm not taking a stand about Harris the presidential candidate, I'm just asking what has she done? So, let's just go back to what you said and let's take a look at it.

First look at the date on the SF financial stuff. That was 2008. She was DA for the City of San Francisco, not the AG for State of CA at that time. What the article said was:

District Attorney Kamala Harris, who opened an investigation and promised to "get to the bottom" of what happened, said through a spokeswoman late Thursday that the consultant had been "hired by, and worked for and at the direction of the (city) controller, not the district attorney."

She was acting in her role of DA to determine if any criminal mischief had occurred. She wasn't in charge of running the city or even connected with the department that applied for those grants. She was the District Attorney.

As far as Harborside is concerned, federal prosecutors went after them, not the State of CA. Somebody is going to have to explain what legal position the State AG has is such a situation. But she didn't bring the charges and I'd totally agree that Obama could have done more to rein in on his Feds when it came to MJ enforcement. I doubt that she was unaware of the Federal DEA's attack on Harborside, I'm just wondering why she would be castigated for what the Feds did.

Here is a description of the role of CA's AG:

The Attorney General of California is the chief law officer of California and the state's primary legal counsel. The attorney general "[sees] that the laws of the State are uniformly and adequately enforced" and prosecutes violations of state law through the California Department of Justice, which he or she oversees.[1]

The officeholder also represents state agencies and officers in legal matters and provides legal advice on request. Further, the attorney general plays a direct role in law enforcement efforts and "coordinates statewide narcotics enforcement efforts, participates in criminal investigations and provides forensic science services, identification and information services and telecommunication support."[1]

Additionally, attorneys general play a prominent policymaking role by "[establishing] and [operating] projects and programs to protect Californians from fraudulent, unfair, and illegal activities that victimize consumers or threaten public safety."[1]
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Abiqua said:
The only thing confusing is why @rollitup will never admit that the Harborside fiasco is because of this woman. He always blames somebody else, especially so called Republicans.

Tell us how Kamala Harris hands are cannabis blood free, might be kind of important to the central goal of the website.....
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hey everyone

this guy who votes for republicans wants us all to believe that he's very against politicians who are hostile to cannabis

we all believe him, right?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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londonfog said:
????? Voter suppression.
How do you explain that Bernie announced he was running Democrat and some of his followers were to stupid to understand that they have to register as a Dem in order to vote for him. Is that voter suppression ?
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If this is your argument that voter suppression doesn't exist I'm afraid I'll never get through to you.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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londonfog said:
I guess you did not pay attention to the last election.
Believe me, voting against who I vote for only hurts you. I personally still will do well even under the likes of Trump. You had a better chance of getting that 15 with the likes of Dems over not.
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Drivel.

And no, I don't think Kamala Harris will represent my interests.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://theweek.com/articles/603044/bernie-sanders-not-nearly-progressive-think

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-voting-history/

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders

i knew you'd ask me for citations, tty...so here they are....Bernie was a shitty choice to begin with, and should have never run, and should never run again.....ever.....
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Right? Because goodness knows his positions are popular with Americans across the aisle and across the country.

But why talk about that when you can make irrelevant personal attacks?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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The Democratic primary in the Bronx was full of voter suppression; thousands of Democrats were unable to vote in the last presidential election. That's voter suppression.

Your argument is nothing more than a weak attempt at distraction.

That's because you don't have an argument.
 
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londonfog

londonfog

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ttystikk said:
The Democratic primary in the Bronx was full of beervoter suppres; thousands of Democrats were unable to vote in the last presidential election. That's voter suppression.

Your argument is nothing more than a weak attempt at distraction.

That's because you don't have an argument.
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What do you say to individuals who do not understand the process to vote ? What if you knew a person who spent a full year posting about a candidate but did not know it had to register in the party he is running, in order to vote for said candidate. Would you not call that a low information voter, who needs to understand how to vote ? Would you take the time to explain to it ? Do you not think that it is important to understand the voting process ? asking for a friend
 
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