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Fogdog

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No I'm not. I'm Democrats aren't serious about the working class and you've presented nothing to refute my assertion.
Yup, as I expected a fake conspiracy theory.

You've presented nothing to prove your assertion. It's not up to me to disprove it, it's up to you to present facts to prove it. Are "the Democrats not serious about the working class"? What the fuck do you have to prove that? Most importantly, your answer is "give me Bernie or I'll give you Trump". Which is simply a threat to coerce a decision I don't think is in my best interest. As with many others in 2016, we say, you can have your Bernie, we'll just go and pick somebody who is better, thank you very much.

oh and

I'm sorry guys, I’m just sick of old white dudes. Go away.
 

Rob Roy

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Funny how they never tried that vote when they had a majority.

Why are you so intent on misrepresenting people so dishonestly to 'prove' your points?

If your arguments had credibility, you wouldn't need to resort to such dishonest tactics.

If ANY political arguments had credibility they wouldn't need to be backed with guns.

Good ideas don't require force.
 

ttystikk

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Yup, as I expected a fake conspiracy theory.

You've presented nothing to prove your assertion. It's not up to me to disprove it, it's up to you to present facts to prove it. Are "the Democrats not serious about the working class"? What the fuck do you have to prove that? Most importantly, your answer is "give me Bernie or I'll give you Trump". Which is simply a threat to coerce a decision I don't think is in my best interest. As with many others in 2016, we say, you can have your Bernie, we'll just go and pick somebody who is better, thank you very much.

oh and

I'm sorry guys, I’m just sick of old white dudes. Go away.
Democrats lost to a lying racist amateur in 2016.

No more evidence is required than that damning fact.
 

Fogdog

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Democrats lost to a lying racist amateur in 2016.

No more evidence is required than that damning fact.
Well, actually

Bernie lost to that person you describe as an amateur. I submit evidence that Bernie is worse than a person you describe as a "lying racist amateur"

But really, getting back to your conspiracy theory. Quite laughable that you would say that Democrats only voted for Sanders bill to repeal CU because they "knew it would lose". Sanders put that bill up. Are you also saying he knew it would lose to so he participated in the sham? For what reason would they do this?

There is no evidence to support that theory so I laugh at you for saying such a dumb thing. Every Democratic Party Senator and Bernie Sanders voted to repeal CU. This clearly shows that the Democratic Party leadership supports campaign finance reform. All that is needed is to defeat Republicans. You are only helping Republicans which makes not sense if you are telling the truth about your beliefs.
 
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ttystikk

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Bernie lost to that person you describe as an amateur. I submit evidence that Bernie is worse than a person you describe as a "lying racist amateur"
Bullshit. Bernie never got his chance against the Orange Clown.

As for the rest, believe what you want; the facts never changed your mind.

I do not believe the Democrats represent my interests, and millions of my fellow Americans feel the same. We will be watching and voting.
 

Fogdog

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Bullshit. Bernie never got his chance against the Orange Clown.

As for the rest, believe what you want; the facts never changed your mind.

I do not believe the Democrats represent my interests, and millions of my fellow Americans feel the same. We will be watching and voting.
The bill to overturn CU that every Democratic Caucus Senator voted for was written and introduced by Bernie Sanders. Your theory that Democrats voted in lock step with Bernie "because it couldn't pass" is simply nuts.

Every Democratic Caucus Senator voted FOR Bernie's Bill to overturn Citizen's United. Your claim that Democrats don't support campaign finance reform is a blatant lie. If you are truly interested in campaign finance reform and not just "your side winning", then support Democrats who as shown in the Congressional Record support campaign finance reform. Otherwise, one can only conclude that you really aren't in support of campaign finance reform and want Republicans to win.
 

Fogdog

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Bullshit. Bernie never got his chance against the Orange Clown.

As for the rest, believe what you want; the facts never changed your mind.

I do not believe the Democrats represent my interests, and millions of my fellow Americans feel the same. We will be watching and voting.
Let's just break this down mathematically:

(according to electoral college results) Clinton < Trump

(he lost by 12%) Bernie <<<< Clinton

Therefore by the transitive property,

Bernie <<<<<<<<<<< Trump


I'm sorry guys, I’m just sick of old white dudes. Go away.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
The bill to overturn CU that every Democratic Caucus Senator voted for was written and introduced by Bernie Sanders. Your theory that Democrats voted in lock step with Bernie "because it couldn't pass" is simply nuts.

Every Democratic Caucus Senator voted FOR Bernie's Bill to overturn Citizen's United. Your claim that Democrats don't support campaign finance reform is a blatant lie. If you are truly interested in campaign finance reform and not just "your side winning", then support Democrats who as shown in the Congressional Record support campaign finance reform. Otherwise, one can only conclude that you really aren't in support of campaign finance reform and want Republicans to win.
So if he supports and even introduces policies you say you support, why do you bash him so much? That would seem the height of hypocrisy.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Let's just break this down mathematically:

(according to electoral college results) Clinton < Trump

(he lost by 12%) Bernie <<<< Clinton

Therefore by the transitive property,

Bernie <<<<<<<<<<< Trump


I'm sorry guys, I’m just sick of old white dudes. Go away.
Politics is not geometry. Your insistence on pushing the narrative that Bernie lacks support among women and people of color has been thoroughly debunked, repeatedly.

Saying otherwise just outs you as a liar.

Doing it to someone who supports and even introduces legislation you say you support just proves how deeply your hypocrisy runs.

Go vote Republican. I hear they're fine with hypocrites.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
We bash him because he is followed by vindictive nut jobs LIKE YOU.

YOU HELPED GET TRUMP ELECTED.
AND DON'T FUCKING SAY YOU DIDN'T
Keep crying.

You bash politicians whose policies you say you support, then go around trashing anyone who doesn't fall in line with your quasi-authoritatarian 'or else!' drivel.

Face it; the Democrats have no spine because they've been bought by the same tiny few donors and can't stand up to them.

It's disgusting, really. They turned their backs on their self described middle class constituents for mere pennies on the dollar of what Republicans get for doing the same thing.

I didn't get Trump elected; Clinton and the DNC saw to that. Instead of owning up to that fact, you're still thrashing about like a fish on the deck, blaming anyone you can for the towering failures of your party.

Keep crying. The more you do, the more obvious it is to all that you know I'm right.
 

Fogdog

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So if he supports and even introduces policies you say you support, why do you bash him so much? That would seem the height of hypocrisy.
I keep saying that Bernie is OK, I like many of his policies but overall he is a divisive leader and his policies only affect economic issues and ignores women's issues, issues behind Black Lives Matter and other civil rights issues. Bernie is OK, but he's insufficient.

I'm sorry guys, I’m just sick of old white dudes. Go away.
 
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