Can smoking synth nute unflushed bud CAUSE HARM?

macsnax

macsnax

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Dr. Who said:
Not yet,,,not in my book.

He should be looking to find exactly what he wanted in the F1 choices he had made, and to hold those in the pheno's he's gone over in the F2's....Now do the backing again for a cubed and stable pheno as close to the chosen F1 traits you were working.

You have your stable "cubed" line...
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Not even close, I think you need to actually get somewhere, get something accomplished before you start calling it ibl.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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xtsho said:
"POT" magazines are nothing but ads for overpriced products you don't need. If there is an article it's probably written by a rep for a nutrient company and is more marketing than actual article.
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Year or so ago.. HT lead off with a whole issue backing AN!

They claimed some massive yield per light shit.......Picked it up, just to see what crap Big Mike was into now.....I mean just about his whole staff had left him. Including at the time girlfriend..
He threw money at many branch's of involved "science" and said that "He" was leading the charge into the future of Cannabis growing....

Yeah, right.....Those mega yielding plants per light on the cover....HIGH N problems and they were in late bloom....
Reduced concentrations and other issues were clearly all over them....

The mag sold out to him and his BS, not to mention that every piece that was in there had some tie in to one of his spectacular supplements! Guess what was full page advertised at the end of every piece?

I've had personal go around's with the editors of HT....Shit the first "legalize" MI campaign was a money grab from honest donor's to the cause! I watched over 2 million dollars vanish....No real trace of how they were spent.. The HT editor and the state lawyer who started the whole thing spent or ended up with it.....Long and sore spot story to me on that!
Fuck them!
 
Xcoregamerskillz

Xcoregamerskillz

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The only real explanation I've got for "flushing" a plant (starving it) is to induce senescence. This doesn't flush nutes, obviously, but it does, as claimed by the grower I heard it from, help break down sugars and chlorophyll in the bud before harvest. This is what, supposedly, causes better smoke. I know that this is what happens during the curing process, but maybe, just maybe, there could be benefit to doing this while the plant is still alive. The grower I've mentioned does a 10 day "flush" wondering if any of you who've really studied botany could chime in.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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when you cut off a plants food towards the end of it's life, it goes into a starvation response. cannabis tries very hard to reproduce. in a last ditch effort to make itself better able to reproduce, it moves all available nutrients to the buds, so they can swell and have a better chance of being pollinated. "flushing" does exactly the opposite of what people say it does....it brings all available nutrients into the buds....so yeah, keep on flushing to get rid of excess nutrients, and salts the plant doesn't absorb to begin with.
there's just really nothing else to say. flushing doesn't do what you think it does. never has, never will.
 
Xcoregamerskillz

Xcoregamerskillz

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
when you cut off a plants food towards the end of it's life, it goes into a starvation response. cannabis tries very hard to reproduce. in a last ditch effort to make itself better able to reproduce, it moves all available nutrients to the buds, so they can swell and have a better chance of being pollinated. "flushing" does exactly the opposite of what people say it does....it brings all available nutrients into the buds....so yeah, keep on flushing to get rid of excess nutrients, and salts the plant doesn't absorb to begin with.
there's just really nothing else to say. flushing doesn't do what you think it does. never has, never will.
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That's what the plant does it's entire life, no? So you're not accelerating that, just making sure the rest of the plant doesn't have food, which will eventually kill it, no?
 
Observe & Report

Observe & Report

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
when you cut off a plants food towards the end of it's life, it goes into a starvation response. cannabis tries very hard to reproduce. in a last ditch effort to make itself better able to reproduce, it moves all available nutrients to the buds
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That's the problem, not all nutrients are available because immobile elements cannot be relocated once deposited in the plant tissue. They can only come from the roots via xylem. So when you "flush" or reduce fertilizer in the medium to very low levels the plant can't make much of a last ditch effort, it is limited by the lack of critical elements like Calcium and most of the trace elements (B, Cu, Mn, Fe, Zn, Mo, Ni, Co), and to a lesser extend P and K.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Observe & Report said:
That's the problem, not all nutrients are available because immobile elements cannot be relocated once deposited in the plant tissue. They can only come from the roots via xylem. So when you "flush" or reduce fertilizer in the medium to very low levels the plant can't make much of a last ditch effort, it is limited by the lack of critical elements like Calcium and most of the trace elements (B, Cu, Mn, Fe, Zn, Mo, Ni, Co), and to a lesser extend P and K.
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Thus starving the plant and potentially reducing the yield.
 
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churchhaze

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Black ash comes from a high starch content. Imo, getting a quality product is all about minimizing starch. This pretty much means you have to wait until the buds are ripe before picking. Would you eat an apple that's not ripe?

You know how some bud when dried out crumbles into dust when you squeeze it with no effort? It doesn't crunch, but it falls right apart. That's low starch weed.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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churchhaze said:
Also, ever notice how some weed smells great when picking, then smells like stale bread after drying? (hay)
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dried it too fast, the chlorophyll didn't have time to break down. and make damn sure your drying area is clean, the weed you're hanging in it is a perfect breeding ground for mold and bacteria. give it any chance at all and it'll take it.
 
promedz

promedz

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BionicΩChronic said:
No it's not a joke it's a legitimate question. But no one is providing proof just opinion. I need to know if this is what's giving me random short headaches every few minutes-hours when I've never really gotten headaches at all before growing my own. Thanks for all the feedback guys! I don't think a single thread I've ever posted has gotten so many replies so fast.
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do you wear shades? protect your eyes! also what have you changed since growing? i felt like when i started growing the bud was so much cleaner i didnt want to smoke anyone else bud for fear of what they spray! .. if you dont spray insecticides then i say your bud isnt doing it find the problem else where..
 
BionicΩChronic

BionicΩChronic

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promedz said:
do you wear shades? protect your eyes! also what have you changed since growing? i felt like when i started growing the bud was so much cleaner i didnt want to smoke anyone else bud for fear of what they spray! .. if you dont spray insecticides then i say your bud isnt doing it find the problem else where..
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It was from smoking weed contaminated by botchritis light brown or gold bud. Caused weird headaches n head pressure. I'm better now and beat bud rot pretty well last year using potassium bicarbonate as a foliar spray. And also careful removal of any infected budsites caused me to loose much less
 
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Lankster024

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BionicΩChronic said:
No it's not a joke it's a legitimate question. But no one is providing proof just opinion. I need to know if this is what's giving me random short headaches every few minutes-hours when I've never really gotten headaches at all before growing my own. Thanks for all the feedback guys! I don't think a single thread I've ever posted has gotten so many replies so fast.
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Are you curing your bud
 
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MAK1

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chemphlegm said:
If I use bottled salt nutrients my worms get really pissed, die or leave the pot over night.
they love the organic style though and that says enough for me.
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Worms are delicate. Salting them and changing the pH. Worms in soil are like fish in the tank, they do not like changes. This doesn't mean salts are bad.
 
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