I'm voting for a real Democrat in 2020

SB85

SB85

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The Democrats shouldn't run anyone against Trump that has a dodgy record that he could use in the debates
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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SB85 said:
The Democrats shouldn't run anyone against Trump that has a dodgy record that he could use in the debates
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O'Rourke has a dodgy record? Or are you saying Sanders does? Whoever wins the nomination will get a shitload of false accusations piled on top of them by Trump and his toadies.

Personally, I am more interested in putting forth somebody who has shown the ability to work well with others, has a good voting record on progressive causes including campaign finance reform. I put a high priority on finding a candidate with good relationships across the base of the Democratic party, including black and Hispanic Democrats. Also they must have a good record of supporting a clean environment and support for the Paris climate agreement. Perceived electablility isn't nearly as important to me as the candidate's policy positions.
 
SB85

SB85

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Fogdog said:
O'Rourke has a dodgy record? Or are you saying Sanders does? Whoever wins the nomination will get a shitload of false accusations piled on top of them by Trump and his toadies.

Personally, I am more interested in putting forth somebody who has shown the ability to work well with others, has a good voting record on progressive causes including campaign finance reform. I put a high priority on finding a candidate with good relationships across the base of the Democratic party, including black and Hispanic Democrats. Also they must have a good record of supporting a clean environment and support for the Paris climate agreement. Perceived electablility isn't nearly as important to me as the candidate's policy positions.
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I am talking about in general, they can't afford to give Trump anything he could use. Trump is going to try to bully whom ever/ control the talking points. They need someone who isn't going to sit back and allow him to do so.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
We get it. Cult of Bernie is terrified of O'Rourke so you must attack anybody who says he's OK. O'Rourke represents Texans. Of course he would vote favorably for the fossil fuel industry and more conservatively than a Colorado Democrat would. The typical Democrat votes to support crucial progressive issues about 82% of the time. O'Rourke's score is 78%. That's why he kept getting re-elected as a Democrat from Texas. It's why I say he's OK but I'm not settled on voting for him. I probably won't.

You fuckers are scared of him because he might be more attractive to the average Sanders voter. Your minds are closed. I don't think I'll vote for either. I have another year or more to decide and will make up my mind when it's time.

Why the Bernie Movement Must Crush Beto O’Rourke
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/bernie-sanders-beto-orourke-feud-2020-campaign-democratic.html

The first skirmish of the 2020 Democratic primary, a wave of attacks on Beto O’Rourke by supporters of Bernie Sanders, took almost everybody by surprise. On the outside, it looks like one of those inscrutable, personality-driven online spats that characterize the Twitter era. But the feud is neither petty nor personal nor irrational.

The Sanders partisans who are attacking O’Rourke — like Zaid Jilani, David Sirota, Branko Marcetic, Elizabeth Bruenig — are not representative of Sanders voters as a whole. This distinction is the key to deciphering the whole episode. Sanders attracts the intense support of a small left-wing intellectual vanguard who see American politics in fundamentally different terms than most Democrats do. The primary struggle in American politics as they see it is not between liberalism and conservatism, but between socialism and capitalism.

The rise of Beto O’Rourke poses an obvious threat. The Texas congressman has replicated aspects of Sanders’s appeal — his positivity and refusal to accept PAC money — while exceeding it in some ways. Sanders is charismatic in an unconventional way, the slovenly and cranky but somewhat lovable old uncle, while O’Rourke projects a classic handsome, toothy, Kennedy-esque charm that reliably makes Democrats swoon. Hard-core loyalists find the contrast irksome. “Reading Karl Marx is cool,” saidNomiki Konst, a Sanders loyalist and candidate for New York City public advocate, to NBC. “Doing a livestream while you’re doing your laundry is a gimmick.” The comment sums up the left’s well-grounded fear that Sanders’s hard-core ideological appeal can be easily disarmed with personal charisma.

And while O’Rourke has yet to decide on a presidential campaign, and would have to overcome an enormous field if he does, the Sandernistas are hardly paranoid to discern the kind of groundswell that could quickly propel O’Rourke to the front of the pack.
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I should have realized this the minute @schuylaar got rid of her Beto 2020 sig.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Why is a soon to be 80 year old even being considered for a run? It is completely baffling unless he is simply there to split the Dem vote again and allow Trump a second term.
 
SB85

SB85

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Bernie does have some good policy[med4all,living wage,tuition free public colleges,green energy], but the guy is just about talking and not pushing forward to get things done...I hope someone younger comes along and is ready to push those issues with some real action behind the words.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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SB85 said:
Bernie does have some good policy[med4all,living wage,tuition free public colleges,green energy], but the guy is just about talking and not pushing forward to get things done...I hope someone younger comes along and is ready to push those issues with some real action behind the words.
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I said Bernie was all talk loooog ago. His best skills are renaming Post Offices
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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zeddd said:
Why is a soon to be 80 year old even being considered for a run? It is completely baffling unless he is simply there to split the Dem vote again and allow Trump a second term.
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Agreed. I don't think Joe Biden is a good choice either, nor is Hillary Clinton.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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londonfog said:
Dude I think your political opinions are meaningless. You for fuck sake can't even remember what administration supplied the Big Bank Bailout.
and we wonder why we have fools like Trump in office.
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Right back atcha.

Funny how George Bush's signature isn't on the legislation and Barack Obama's is.

Revisionist history much?
 
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