Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

[AllThingsGreen]

Anybody here doing ROLS and growing High Brix ?

I’m looking for a soil recipe that’ll give the widest spectrum of vitamins, minerals, and proteins.

I’m currently growing seedlings (~28 days old) in super soil/roots organic (1 gal smart pot) and well..I think my mix is way way too hot. It smells like ammonia and pee. Holds water forever (12-16 oz per pot will last 7+ days), visibly burning my plants, and I just saw a gnat this morning when I opened up the tent. The plants are still growing, but man..2 weeks post transplant and I’m having all kinds of (albeit minor) issues

I’m not expecting ROLS w/ High Brix to be a silver bullet, but damnit the soil I got just ain’t it.

So I want to start another mix ROLS and ferment it for the recommended 4 weeks and then transplant out. I got the original recipe, but wondering if any successful High Brix guys have a recipe for amendments.

Thanks in advance for you help!

 

[Wetdog]

Just from the smell and watering comments it sure sounds like you are seriously lacking in aeration/drainage. My starting point for aeration is 40% perlite and gets close to 50% with other aeration amendments.

I would take care of that issue first before anything else because nothing is going to work right in a too dense soil that is soggy and lacking oxygen.

Wet

 

[AllThingsGreen]

Just from the smell and watering comments it sure sounds like you are seriously lacking in aeration/drainage. My starting point for aeration is 40% perlite and gets close to 50% with other aeration amendments.

I would take care of that issue first before anything else because nothing is going to work right in a too dense soil that is soggy and lacking oxygen.

Wet

It’s crazy because their is a ton of perlite in riots organic original and there’s a bit of it in the super soil mix (Kind soil). I’ve been reading that perlite rises up, so I’m afraid that most of my perlite has migrated to the top portion of my soil. What are some ideas for amending aeration/drainage to a plant that’s already been potted ?

 

[Wetdog]

It’s crazy because their is a ton of perlite in riots organic original and there’s a bit of it in the super soil mix (Kind soil). I’ve been reading that perlite rises up, so I’m afraid that most of my perlite has migrated to the top portion of my soil. What are some ideas for amending aeration/drainage to a plant that’s already been potted ?

Perlite will float, but it doesn't "migrate", that's just internet BS as is the "it breaks down into dust and sinks to the bottom like concrete". So... It both migrates upward AND sinks to the bottom !? Talented stuff, huh? After using it for 45 years or so, I've never seen either happen.

I have zero ideas for adding aeration to an already potted plant since it needs to be mixed globally in the mix. It's not going to mix by itself. But in 1gal pots? Add some to some more mix to correct and then transplant, or remove the plant and correct the mix it's in.

Bagged soils have pretty much the least amount of perlite they can get away with adding to cut costs. You add organic matter in the form of amendments and that least amount becomes not sufficient right quick. In larger pots with more mass and volume it gets even worse.

Good luck!

Wet

 

[hyroot]

Perlite will float, but it doesn't "migrate", that's just internet BS as is the "it breaks down into dust and sinks to the bottom like concrete". So... It both migrates upward AND sinks to the bottom !? Talented stuff, huh? After using it for 45 years or so, I've never seen either happen.

I have zero ideas for adding aeration to an already potted plant since it needs to be mixed globally in the mix. It's not going to mix by itself. But in 1gal pots? Add some to some more mix to correct and then transplant, or remove the plant and correct the mix it's in.

Bagged soils have pretty much the least amount of perlite they can get away with adding to cut costs. You add organic matter in the form of amendments and that least amount becomes not sufficient right quick. In larger pots with more mass and volume it gets even worse.

Good luck!

Wet

When it turn to dust it doesn't sink. It just remains for the most part and clogs soil. I've had it happen several times. Yes perlite does float up to a point each time you water and the soil loosens up until.you have watered enough times to compact the soil... the breaking down into powder dust happens much sooner... That's why I stopped using perlite 5 years ago. I use garden pumice instead.

 

[hyroot]

Anybody here doing ROLS and growing High Brix ?

I’m looking for a soil recipe that’ll give the widest spectrum of vitamins, minerals, and proteins.

I’m currently growing seedlings (~28 days old) in super soil/roots organic (1 gal smart pot) and well..I think my mix is way way too hot. It smells like ammonia and pee. Holds water forever (12-16 oz per pot will last 7+ days), visibly burning my plants, and I just saw a gnat this morning when I opened up the tent. The plants are still growing, but man..2 weeks post transplant and I’m having all kinds of (albeit minor) issues

I’m not expecting ROLS w/ High Brix to be a silver bullet, but damnit the soil I got just ain’t it.

So I want to start another mix ROLS and ferment it for the recommended 4 weeks and then transplant out. I got the original recipe, but wondering if any successful High Brix guys have a recipe for amendments.

Thanks in advance for you help!

You want high brix. Add basalt rock dusts to your soil and feed with lab and ffe and sst.

Brix are the sugar and mineral content of the plant.

Ffe and lab recipes are towards the beginning of this thread.

 

[AllThingsGreen]

So how should I handle the next few weeks ? I would like to avoid re-potting, but will if I have to. Could I water with less water a little more frequently and get by ? @hyroot if you were in the same situation what would you do ?

 

[hyroot]

So how should I handle the next few weeks ? I would like to avoid re-potting, but will if I have to. Could I water with less water a little more frequently and get by ? @hyroot if you were in the same situation what would you do ?

I would water less. No point in saturating if there's no roots to uptake water.

When I first start seedlings. I have them in party cups or 2 inch pots. You don't want to go larger because of the root tap. At first i only water the cups once a week. Then every few days. Then transplant into 1 gals once the roots fill out the cup. Then to final pots. Sometimes I will transplant into 2 or 3 gals if I have to veg longer before I can move them into final pots.

My rule of thumb has always been 16 oz of water per gallon of soil.

Lab or em1 will kill the anaerobic pathogens creating that smell.

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

Thanks for all the info guys. Super valuable knowledge. I've been organic since day one but the ferments have always kind of been a little intimidating. Idk why now that i read through this thread and see how easy it is. So you have convinced me lol. I got a banana ffj fermenting right now but im unsure about one thing. Is there a point in flower when its too late to use it? Some of my plants are just past week 6 and they're 9-10 week strains. And the ffj wont be ready till monday so they'll be closer to week 7. I feel like at this point it wont really have much effect or am i wrong?

 

[hyroot]

Thanks for all the info guys. Super valuable knowledge. I've been organic since day one but the ferments have always kind of been a little intimidating. Idk why now that i read through this thread and see how easy it is. So you have convinced me lol. I got a banana ffj fermenting right now but im unsure about one thing. Is there a point in flower when its too late to use it? Some of my plants are just past week 6 and they're 9-10 week strains. And the ffj wont be ready till monday so they'll be closer to week 7. I feel like at this point it wont really have much effect or am i wrong?

Don't use lab past week 5. It will prolong finishing. If used past week 5

Knf ferments and lacto based ferments meant for flowering you can use til the end. I water with plain water the last week.

If starting to use towards the end of flower. You won't see much difference... Maybe a slight increase in trichome production and slightly higher brix levels / terp levels

It takes a few generations of running clones to see a major difference

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

Don't use lab past week 5. It will prolong finishing. If used past week 5

Knf ferments and lacto based ferments meant for flowering you can use til the end. I water with plain water the last week.

If starting to use towards the end of flower. You won't see much difference... Maybe a slight increase in trichome production and slightly higher brix levels / terp levels

It takes a few generations of running clones to see a major difference

Gotcha. Good to know. Its just banana, brown sugar and EM-1. Should i have used lab instead of EM-1? I know they're similar but not the same. Also how long do these stay good for? Once its done should i seal the lid and put it in the fridge? Sorry for all the questions dude thanks for your patience lol

 

[hyroot]

Gotcha. Good to know. Its just banana, brown sugar and EM-1. Should i have used lab instead of EM-1? I know they're similar but not the same. Also how long do these stay good for? Once its done should i seal the lid and put it in the fridge? Sorry for all the questions dude thanks for your patience lol

I use activated lab (aem). You shouldn't mix sugar and em1 in a ferment.

The sugar creates osmostic pressure pulling hormones and terps from the fruits.

Em1 and labs break down material into micronutrients and macronutrients.

2 completely different processes.

Em1 contains purple non sulfur bacteria (pnsb) and lab does not.

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

I use activated lab (aem). You shouldn't mix sugar and em1 in a ferment.

The sugar creates osmostic pressure pulling hormones and terps from the fruits.

Em1 and labs break down material into micronutrients and macronutrients.

2 completely different processes.

Em1 contains purple non sulfur bacteria (pnsb) and lab does not.

Word. So i should toss it and start over with just brown sugar and banana?

 

[bearded.beaver]

I don't think you need to toss it. Chris trump and drake on YouTube say it should last a while if you have a lot of brown sugar it. Check out both of their videos.

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

I don't think you need to toss it. Chris trump and drake on YouTube say it should last a while if you have a lot of brown sugar it. Check out both of their videos.

I have plenty of brown sugar in it but thats not why im tossing it. Hyroot said not to mix em1 and sugar in a ferment. Which is exactly what i did so thats why im tossing it.

 

[bearded.beaver]

I understand now. I read @hyroot post about that, I hadn't heard about that before so I Google'd why and from what I understand about that is that EM1 has mostly anaerobic bacteria and the sugar would feed other life in there and throw the balance off which could lead to pathogens proliferating instead of the ones we want. I could be totally wrong but from what I read, that's my understanding.

There is just so much info out there that is contradicting. It's nice to be able to put out what you think and have other people tell you if they think the same way.
No more fake growing news

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

I understand now. I read @hyroot post about that, I hadn't heard about that before so I Google'd why and from what I understand about that is that EM1 has mostly anaerobic bacteria and the sugar would feed other life in there and throw the balance off which could lead to pathogens proliferating instead of the ones we want. I could be totally wrong but from what I read, that's my understanding.

There is just so much info out there that is contradicting. It's nice to be able to put out what you think and have other people tell you if they think the same way.
No more fake growing news

Word, i feel ya about the contradictory info. And thats pretty much what i gathered from my research into it. Maybe we read the same thing lol. Teraganix website has a ferment recipe using the em1 but its different. I must have read that recipe at some point and subconsciously interchanged them. Idk but i def trust hyroot tho so i ditched it and started over. Also making labs and im gonna ditch the em1 after i finish this bottle. Its just so expensive and lab is basically free.

 

[outliergenetix]

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Any idea what those are ?

I also have alot of little white crawlers going around the edge of my pots.

And theres a few slight bigger darker spider loojing ones that run past them .

Also noticed today some little very small black bugs on my flowering plants today. Cant find my joulers loupe tho :/

i'd like to bump this ^^^

 

[Ecompost]

@hyroot @DonTesla @Ecompost

You guys ever have a problem with soil mites or beneficial mites crawling up and eating your plant ?

Or so i just have spider mites ?

They look like my soil mites but their up on my leaves fucking shit up.

Any suggestions to keep these little bastards in check or just keep up with the foliar ipms

Silica
You could make yourself a SiO2 nutrient using diatomaceous earth, lime. and sulphur with some water and a bit of effort
Once i learned how to water properly, i stopped getting these mites buddy, but dont panic, everyone has had them. If they say they havent, they are probably lying.

Biological resonance is everywhere after all, just ask those surfers that have no legs after being bitten by a shark in the ocean. If you are in the wrong place for your vibration, then you are going feel the pain, this applies to plants being subjected to predation on any level. If we cant harmonize the environment in which we have planted our prize, then we may have in fact, just planted an offering.

 

[Ecompost]

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Any idea what those are ?

I also have alot of little white crawlers going around the edge of my pots.

And theres a few slight bigger darker spider loojing ones that run past them .

Also noticed today some little very small black bugs on my flowering plants today. Cant find my joulers loupe tho :/

they look like Oribatid mites but I am not a biological entomologist so defer to more accurate responses.
If they are Oribatid mites then you have composting occurring in your pots, which means you soil isnt ready because it hasnt been harmonized and so stabiized by humifying microbes, thus you are suffering the consequences of resonance and you have next to no hope of solving this riddle. You are taking part in the real time system of composting and you have put living plants in the mix. It will be a battle I suspect. Sorry i cant be more positive, but sometimes its better to just cut our losses and start again wiser and less vulnerable