Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

[projectinfo]

I was going to make a tutorial video but experimenting withh othe recipes first. Here is the recipe I started with.

citrus ferment recipe

2 cups of citrus peels
1/2 cup of brown sugar
1 tsp dry yeast
4 cups of clean water

ferment in a sealed container with an airlock for 2 1/2 weeks then strain. Add 1 cup of apple cider vinegar.

use 3 oz per gallon of water and only spray at night. It will burn plants during the day.

I'm currently testing out 2 other recipes. One without water and more sugar. water reduces osmostic pressure when using sugar. Another using labs and water like the flower power

Labs breaks down organic material. Sugar relies on osmotic pressure to pull juices from fruits and plants.



I only use alfalfa meal in veg tea's and I feed it to the worms. They love it. Yes when it was in my soil mix it did promote more leaf. Too much N from the alfalfa attracts pests and changes flavor.. I do not know what you mean by TRIA



Neem oil is cold-pressed from kernels of fruit from the Azadirachta indica tree.The cake is made from the Neem tree seed residue . Karanja oil is cold-pressed from seeds of the Pongam tree. Karanja Cake is the residue obtained from Karanja seed kernels which have been crushed to extract the oil. Neem has Azadiractin and Karanja does not. Both are pest inhibitors. Both rich in npk and other minerals and elements



I have done more kelp with plants that are potassium hogs. No ill effects




Gypsum seems to work better than oyster shell flour for cal mag and it has sulfur. My blueberries outside love gypsum. Most rock dust is essentially volcanic rock dust excluding glacial. Basalt made buds denser and increased brix levels quite a bit. It's soluble and works almost intsantly. The bentonite rock dust seem to clump up and it takes a while to break down.

Hey how did your citrus labs ferment turn out?

Im going to use your original recipe.

Might expiriment and throw some feels in some labs. Its just fpe right?

Im looking to use it as an ipm

 

[hyroot]

Hey how did your citrus labs ferment turn out?

Im going to use your original recipe.

Might expiriment and throw some feels in some labs. Its just fpe right?

Im looking to use it as an ipm

I let it go 30 days. It smelled like a homeless mans asshole in a dumpster fire. I tossed it. I went back to the original recipe wnd it works. Just make sure you heat up water to 90 degrees before adding citrus ferment to water for foliar. The warmer water helps improve its efficacy

 

[hyroot]

I made a new batch of wcap. I didn't pulverize the bones this time. After it was done fermenting I filtered it through 4 layers of natural chemex coffee filters 3 times. Then i pulverized left over bones and added them to the worm bins.

 

[projectinfo]

I made a new batch of wcap. I didn't pulverize the bones this time. After it was done fermenting I filtered it through 4 layers of natural chemex coffee filters 3 times. Then i pulverized left over bones and added them to the worm bins.

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Mustang was saying wcap is no good, the high phosphorus will lead to low brix levels . What do you think buddy?

Also im still making it fuckit

Can i use apple cider vinigar instead of brown rice vinigar?

 

[hyroot]

Mustang was saying wcap is no good, the high phosphorus will lead to low brix levels . What do you think buddy?

Also im still making it fuckit

Can i use apple cider vinigar instead of brown rice vinigar?

I read that. He didn't seem to understand that it's for foliar only and used at the last 2 weeks of veg and first 2 weeks of flower only. He kept talking about watering the soil with it. I wouldn't ever water soil with wcap being that it's acetic. Also were only using 1 tbsp per gallon. It's also soluble phos. Wcap stands for water soluble calcium phophate

I have an ogkb in veg that was showing phos def. After 2 foliar applications the phos deficiency was remedied.

Yes you can use apple cider vinegar. You can also use white vinegar. I used white vinegar for this last wcap ferment.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Mustang was saying wcap is no good, the high phosphorus will lead to low brix levels . What do you think buddy?

Also im still making it fuckit

Can i use apple cider vinigar instead of brown rice vinigar?

I just wanted to make sure that you knew what you were doing. I don't ever claim to be an expert. Being used as a foliar wouldn't lock-out nutrients in the soil. That is where the low brix comes from, locking out micronutrients. I don't understand the product called "Mammoth P" either. I'm just leary of using P inputs. I'm here to learn above all else, so I don't mind being corrected.

 

[hyroot]

I just wanted to make sure that you knew what you were doing. I don't ever claim to be an expert. Being used as a foliar wouldn't lock-out nutrients in the soil. That is where the low brix comes from, locking out micronutrients. I don't understand the product called "Mammoth P" either. I'm just leary of using P inputs. I'm here to learn above all else, so I don't mind being corrected.

Mammoth p just solubilizes phos making it available for uptake. Since phos in soil and bottle nutes doesn't completely break down or isn t readily available. They say its 4 specific microbes cultured in alflafa. I know a former employee of mammoth microbes who says its just an alfalfa tea...

You can make.your own phos solubilizing bacterial compost or castings by composting the left over charred bones after straining the wcap.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Mammoth p just solubilizes phos making it available for uptake. Since phos in soil and bottle nutes doesn't completely break down or isn t readily available. They say its 4 specific microbes cultured in alflafa. I know a former employee of mammoth microbes who says its just an alfalfa tea...

You can make.your own phos solubilizing bacterial compost or castings by composting the left over charred bones after straining the wcap.

I've been using the "soil savvy" test, which is a solubility test, and I have always been abundant in phosphorus. The only P input that I use is crab meal and I am on the high side of P. I'm following Clackamas coots recipe.

Man, if you want to talk about low Brix levels then you should see a boron deficiency. I'm always chasing micronutrients deficiency, but I also started using Azomite which appears to have a healthy dose of boron, zinc, and manganese.

 

[projectinfo]

I read that. He didn't seem to understand that it's for foliar only and used at the last 2 weeks of veg and first 2 weeks of flower only. He kept talking about watering the soil with it. I wouldn't ever water soil with wcap being that it's acetic. Also were only using 1 tbsp per gallon. It's also soluble phos. Wcap stands for water soluble calcium phophate

I have an ogkb in veg that was showing phos def. After 2 foliar applications the phos deficiency was remedied.

Yes you can use apple cider vinegar. You can also use white vinegar. I used white vinegar for this last wcap ferment.

Awesome thanks bud

 

[bearded.beaver]

Really good thread. I will be following this for sure

 

[projectinfo]

@hyroot @DonTesla @Ecompost

You guys ever have a problem with soil mites or beneficial mites crawling up and eating your plant ?

Or so i just have spider mites ?

They look like my soil mites but their up on my leaves fucking shit up.

Any suggestions to keep these little bastards in check or just keep up with the foliar ipms

 

[projectinfo]

Maybe i should bait them down to the soil by adding dry leafs i have as mulch.

I recently added a 2 inch castings layer and bokashi/barly then myceliul mat then a little more castings.. I tell you that definitly got rid of my gnats .


But not i think my soil mites from the castings are having a hay day goin up the plant cause theres no mulch for them


Little white mites

 

[projectinfo]

Best i can do ... You can zoom in a bit

 

[hyroot]

They're thrips.


Beauveria bassiana will systemically wipe them out for good.

Swiirski mites will eat the thrips and eggs.

The citrus ferment foliar will kill them on the plant on contact


Protease enzymes will kill them in the soil.

Nematodes will kill them in the soil.

 

[projectinfo]

They're thrips.


Beauveria bassiana will systemically wipe them out for good.

Swiirski mites will eat the thrips and eggs.

The citrus ferment foliar will kill them on the plant on contact


Protease enzymes will kill them in the soil.

Nematodes will kill them in the soil.

Thanks i will look into all of this


They dont jump or fly yet .very slow.
No slime or poops on the leaves

Could i lay plastic to disrupt the life cycle?

I orderd the fungus, nems, and swarzskiis

My citrus ferment has only been going a week..

I have sm90 but they dont seem to mind that

 

[projectinfo]

Those protease enzymes Their just weightloss pills ?

You just gind em up , water them in?

 

[hyroot]

Those protease enzymes Their just weightloss pills ?

You just gind em up , water them in?

Slf 100 is protease enzymes. They're also found in seed sprouts but not isolated.


Weight loss pills are mostly caffeine among other additives.

 

[Polyuro]

Hello all, just received sip boxes, bu's Malibu compost, "peat" based potting soil(emailed supplier to be exact), em1, bokashi and dolomite. I want to starta cooking but the mix seems lacking more goodness after reading this thread. Any suggestions?

 

[ShLUbY]

Hello all, just received sip boxes, bu's Malibu compost, "peat" based potting soil(emailed supplier to be exact), em1, bokashi and dolomite. I want to starta cooking but the mix seems lacking more goodness after reading this thread. Any suggestions?

neem meal, crab meal, kelp meal, gypsum, alfalfa meal, langebeinite

 

[projectinfo]

Any idea what those are ?

I also have alot of little white crawlers going around the edge of my pots.

And theres a few slight bigger darker spider loojing ones that run past them .

Also noticed today some little very small black bugs on my flowering plants today. Cant find my joulers loupe tho :/