is this the middle ages?

[Rob Roy]

newp..i just want bucky's friend from Wendy's to point at the offending pic..

Pudding?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

I'm not claiming all problems are going to be resolved under any scenario involving humans. I'm claiming that a central authority which prevents other possibilities is an aspect of the problem and often isn't an aspect of the solution.

When you have a central coercion based authority, a problem is baked into that scenario from the onset, (it's coercion based). So we already KNOW for a fact that system can't possibly be the answer to problem resolution by virtue of it's lasting coercion based hierarchical nature. It disallows other possibilities doesn't it ?

Yeah, show me the regulations currently banning you from trying to work out a problem with your neighbor.

In your scenario, what happens when your neighbor tells you to "get fucked"?

Still winning.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

what's it to you? you know you don't own the property...that's all you need to know. you have no control over it whatsoever, trying to control someone else's property without their permission is making them a slave.

You, good sir, are winning. I am tired of these people who want some sort of central authority that will make slaves of people by divulging their land ownership.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I see that you may have made some erroneous assumptions. Seems like you believe that absent a central coercion based authority to appeal to for assistance with dispute resolution, that there would never be any other kind of dispute resolution. Is that what you believe?

yes, because i've spent the last 53 years observing people. a few are responsible adults, and try to get along with others, the majority are worthless shitheads that will try to get away with what ever they think they can, when they can. can this whole philosophy of yours be based on your own naivete, your own childlike simplicity? would you actually be a good neighbor? and all of this argument is because you just assume everyone will play nice and try to get along? i'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you that Santa isn't real, Timmy....people suck, the large majority of them can't be trusted to do the right thing, in any situation. to assume that we can operate without a "coercive central authority" is naivete at it's peak. we have trouble operating WITH a coercive central authority....the shit would fly apart at light speed without one

 

[Rob Roy]

Nope, I wouldn't say that the bullet that hit you on your own property was not my responsibility because I am not a mentally impaired dumbass that argues that we should have no regulations over such things. That's your burden to bear. After all, shouldn't a person have the right to run their own car on their own property without having their right to ownership and privacy rights raped by their nattering next door neighbor? (I would answer "no, they shouldn't" - but this is your petard up your asshole.) Me exercising those rights doesn't solve your problem of you having a cloud of CO around your house 24/7.

Still winning. You were born a slave by your definition and you will die one. I hope you get your bowels to function properly - even slaves deserve that.

You are attempting to strawman my position. I haven't said using offensive force to shoot an innocent person should be a thing that occurs with no repercussions.

You seem to default to the idea that since I don't like a central authority that I'm not in favor of OTHER dispute resolution possibilities.

Murder is wrong whether it is legally sanctioned or not. Murder is wrong if there is only one coercion based entity allowed to resolve the act or if multiple possibilities for the resolution exist.

I'll let you think about the collateral thing, maybe then you'll consider that other possibilities exist.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So, you're saying you'd travel down a private road to dump trash on another persons property and they're okay with it ?

that's not the question....the question is what you're going to do about the shit running down the hillside facing your house, that isn't your property.....the hillside you have already said you have no right to touch, as it doesn't belong to you....you don't know whose shit it is, or whose garbage it is...doesn't matter...you can't stop them from doing what they want, without making a slave of them, and being coercive.....so....what's your non coercive, non intrusive, mind your own business plan? the shits almost up to your front door.....

 

[Unclebaldrick]

You are attempting to strawman my position. I haven't said using offensive force to shoot an innocent person should be a thing that occurs with no repercussions.

You seem to default to the idea that since I don't like a central authority that I'm not in favor of OTHER dispute resolution possibilities.

Murder is wrong whether it is legally sanctioned or not. Murder is wrong if there is only one coercion based entity allowed to resolve the act or if multiple possibilities for the resolution exist.

I'll let you think about the collateral thing, maybe then you'll consider that other possibilities exist.

Yeah, thanks for playing, loser.

There is nothing strawman about my argument. This is a real world scenario that people have had to live with since the country was founded and long before. And you have no answer for it that is consistent with your line of bullshit.

Because you are a :

 

[Rob Roy]

yes, because i've spent the last 53 years observing people. a few are responsible adults, and try to get along with others, the majority are worthless shitheads that will try to get away with what ever they think they can, when they can. can this whole philosophy of yours be based on your own naivete, your own childlike simplicity? would you actually be a good neighbor? and all of this argument is because you just assume everyone will play nice and try to get along? i'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you that Santa isn't real, Timmy....people suck, the large majority of them can't be trusted to do the right thing, in any situation. to assume that we can operate without a "coercive central authority" is naivete at it's peak. we have trouble operating WITH a coercive central authority....the shit would fly apart at light speed without one

So during your 53 years of living, have you ever gathered in a group with friends and things went well?

Or did you invite a cop to stand by your cook out lest one of your friends suddenly realized they could pummel you and take all your stuff?

I'm not sure you know the difference between peace and imposed order, but we can argue that another time if you like.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

So during your 53 years of living, have you ever gathered in a group with friends and things went well?

Or did you invite a cop to stand by your cook out lest one of your friends suddenly realized they could pummel you and take all your stuff?

I'm not sure you know the difference between peace and imposed order, but we can argue that another time if you like.

Hit reply to see my reply.

 

[schuylaar]

So, you believe that the institution which invented the term "collateral damage" as a blame displacing euphemism for their errant bullets when they actually kill innocent people should be the institution which has the final say on dispute resolutions involving bullets?

Isn't that interesting how you have so easily been mislead by your masters, slave?

STILL WINNING.

you know you only got 3 likes today all from me..how dare you? please stop posting or bucky's crew will get their panties in a wedgie.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The point you seem to miss,...it appears you've made a mutual and voluntary consensual agreement. To be blunt, your dumping trash analogy is trashy, since the one where you'd force a black guy to serve you, ISN'T a mutual and voluntary consensual agreement is it ? FAIL.

no one has made any kind of agreement, as far as you know....you don't know who owns the property...you don't know whose dumping on it....you don't know where that sewer pipe actually leads to.....you don't know if it's the owner, a friend of theirs, or some totally random person doing it....and you can't find out, because that would be invading their privacy......so, the shits on your welcome mat......what ya gonna do?

 

[Rob Roy]

that's not the question....the question is what you're going to do about the shit running down the hillside facing your house, that isn't your property.....the hillside you have already said you have no right to touch, as it doesn't belong to you....you don't know whose shit it is, or whose garbage it is...doesn't matter...you can't stop them from doing what they want, without making a slave of them, and being coercive.....so....what's your non coercive, non intrusive, mind your own business plan? the shits almost up to your front door.....

If you understood the difference between offensive force and defensive force, your spittle laced scenarios would be exposed for what they are.

Offensive force is wrong. Defensive force is not. The thing that determines when one or the other is being applied is related to "property rights". Otherwise there is no distinguishing thing to determine where the boundary is or isn't.

 

[Rob Roy]

you know you only got 3 likes today all from me..how dare you? please stop posting or bucky's crew will get their panties in a wedgie.

I appreciate that. Although truth be told, while I like approval, I'm more interested in maintaining a consistent philosophy of peaceful and voluntary human interactions than change my philosophy out of a popularity desire.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Your stranger story. Presumably the strangers rude behavior is occurring in a place that is so called "public property"" (an oxymoron) and not owned by either mom or the stranger ?

there are no police, you got rid of them, because they were coercive. no one has trespassed on either ones private property...this guy just really likes being where your mom is...can't coerce him to go away, because that will make him a slave....so get used to him being around your mom

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

If you understood the difference between offensive force and defensive force, your spittle laced scenarios would be exposed for what they are.

Offensive force is wrong. Defensive force is not. The thing that determines when one or the other is being applied is related to "property rights". Otherwise there is no distinguishing thing to determine where the boundary is or isn't.

nononononno motherfucker...it's either bad or not....it's either coercion or it's not.....you're either making him a slave or you aren't...it's not fucking situational, depending on what you feel like today...pick a fucking side of the argument and stay on it

 

[Rob Roy]

no one has made any kind of agreement, as far as you know....you don't know who owns the property...you don't know whose dumping on it....you don't know where that sewer pipe actually leads to.....you don't know if it's the owner, a friend of theirs, or some totally random person doing it....and you can't find out, because that would be invading their privacy......so, the shits on your welcome mat......what ya gonna do?

Why plug the pipe in the short term. I mean who likes shit flowing onto their property?

You don't suppose it's the work of a band of 17 year old shit crazed bandits excreting a bunch of Wendy's French fries do you ?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Otherwise there is no distinguishing thing to determine where the boundary is or isn't.

that's EXACTLY what you've been saying you want.....now you don't want it? who decides the boundaries? what central authority keeps track of it? the one you don't want to exist, and call coercive?......i smell a big pile of hypocrisy......must be from the hillside in front of your house

 

[Rob Roy]

there are no police, you got rid of them, because they were coercive. no one has trespassed on either ones private property...this guy just really likes being where your mom is...can't coerce him to go away, because that will make him a slave....so get used to him being around your mom

So, you're saying that if there weren't a single coercion based authority Police setup there couldn't be any other type(s) of security that would be market driven, whose interests were aligned with actual dispute resolution?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

you know you only got 3 likes today all from me..how dare you? please stop posting or bucky's crew will get their panties in a wedgie.

You seem obsessed with the number of likes. I wondered why so I jotted your numbers down on a Post-It a week ago. Now I know. It takes you like 30 posts per like. That must hurt a narcissist like you a lot as your posts have suggested.

In Trumpian fashion, you keep accusing others of being motivated by "likes". It's sad.

Hey, I've done my part .I have repeatedly asked people to like your posts and say nice things about you. I guess there are some things that people just won't do.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Why plug the pipe in the short term. I mean who likes shit flowing onto their property?

no one likes it....which is what we've all been trying to get through to you for ever....seems like your reality is very very selective.....