is this the middle ages?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
that's EXACTLY what you've been saying you want.....now you don't want it? who decides the boundaries? what central authority keeps track of it? the one you don't want to exist, and call coercive?......i smell a big pile of hypocrisy......must be from the hillside in front of your house
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So you think a central authority should determine the use of your property and your body ? You are a fan of prohibition then?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
So, you're saying that if there weren't a single coercion based authority Police setup there couldn't be any other type(s) of security that would be market driven, whose interests were aligned with actual dispute resolution?
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yes, that's exactly what i'm saying....and what your saying directly contradicts what you've already said...who hires that security force? who tells them what to do? who ever it is is forcing everyone else to do what they say with their security forces, whether they like it or not.....
try again
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Rob Roy said:
So you think a central authority should determine the use of your property and your body ? You are a fan of prohibition then?
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Show me a case where a group of men legally took a vote to rape a woman and then did... Legally.

You have posted a cartoon of that canard.

If you find such a case in the US, I will even say you are winning. But you are losing.

It's ok, Schuylaar likes you.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Unclebaldrick said:
You seem obsessed with the number of likes. I wondered why so I jotted your numbers down on a Post-It a week ago. Now I know. It takes you like 30 posts per like. That must hurt a narcissist like you a lot as your posts have suggested.

In Trumpian fashion, you keep accusing others of being motivated by "likes". It's sad.

Hey, I've done my part .I have repeatedly asked people to like your posts and say nice things about you. I guess there are some things that people just won't do.
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I'm afraid you must be in a potato induced fog. I didn't say I don't like to be liked, I said sticking to my philosophy is worth more to me than rejecting my philosophy in favor of your contradictory philosophy simply to gain popularity.


How you doing rebutting that collateral damage situation ?

Still winning.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
Okay, I park my car on a slope at a friends house. You live downhill in a trashy potato patch. The e-brake let's go on my car and it rolls onto your property destroying years of your labor you put into a shrine honoring Hillary Clinton's kankles.

Do you now own my car? Does Hillary say "what difference does it make" ?
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no he doesn't own your car, but you have to negotiate with him for rights to recover it from his pumpkin patch, and if he doesn't feel cooperative, you're walking
 
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schuylaar

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
that's not the question....the question is what you're going to do about the shit running down the hillside facing your house, that isn't your property.....the hillside you have already said you have no right to touch, as it doesn't belong to you....you don't know whose shit it is, or whose garbage it is...doesn't matter...you can't stop them from doing what they want, without making a slave of them, and being coercive.....so....what's your non coercive, non intrusive, mind your own business plan? the shits almost up to your front door.....
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you know @Fogdog totally ripped you a new one yesterday..why did you let him? why did you roll over and not protect your position?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
no, but apparently you are, you just said such a thing should exist.....after saying over and over that it shouldn't....¿
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No, a central authority claims domain over everybody.

A person who maintains control over themselves and their justly acquired property is an authority, but only over themselves etc.

Have you been smoking crack again? Or have the shit fumes confused you?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Unclebaldrick said:
Show me a case where a group of men legally took a vote to rape a woman and then did... Legally.

You have posted a cartoon of that canard.

If you find such a case in the US, I will even say you are winning. But you are losing.

It's ok, Schuylaar likes you.
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I will go a notch higher than rape and go right to murder.

Collateral damage.

Still winning.
 
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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
No, a central authority claims domain over everybody.

A person who maintains control over themselves and their justly acquired property is an authority, but only over themselves etc.

Have you been smoking crack again? Or have the shit fumes confused you?
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the extra long cat box cure?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
So during your 53 years of living, have you ever gathered in a group with friends and things went well?

Or did you invite a cop to stand by your cook out lest one of your friends suddenly realized they could pummel you and take all your stuff?

I'm not sure you know the difference between peace and imposed order, but we can argue that another time if you like.
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welll, no, i'm usually the toughest one in any gathering....

yes, there is a difference between peace and imposed order....peace is a dream, that doesn't exist. people are animals. i don't mean that in a philosophical sense, i mean it in a biological one. there is a drive to violence in people, a drive to reproduce, to dominate weaker people....it's the animal part of our natures. we all have it, whether we like to admit it or not. most of us have succeeded in controlling it well enough to get along with neighbors, and not beat someone who pisses us off to death with an antelope thigh bone....most of the time.
people are purely, deeply, flawed, and can not "get along with each other" all the time....and that is why you need a "coercive central authority"....to keep that nature in control, because most people don't seem to be able to do it for themselves
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
I'm afraid you must be in a potato induced fog. I didn't say I don't like to be liked, I said sticking to my philosophy is worth more to me than rejecting my philosophy in favor of your contradictory philosophy simply to gain popularity.


How you doing rebutting that collateral damage situation ?

Still winning.
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he was talking to schuylar
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
welll, no, i'm usually the toughest one in any gathering....

yes, there is a difference between peace and imposed order....peace is a dream, that doesn't exist. people are animals. i don't mean that in a philosophical sense, i mean it in a biological one. there is a drive to violence in people, a drive to reproduce, to dominate weaker people....it's the animal part of our natures. we all have it, whether we like to admit it or not. most of us have succeeded in controlling it well enough to get along with neighbors, and not beat someone who pisses us off to death with an antelope thigh bone....most of the time.
people are purely, deeply, flawed, and can not "get along with each other" all the time....and that is why you need a "coercive central authority"....to keep that nature in control, because most people don't seem to be able to do it for themselves
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So, you need a central coercive authority to make sure nobody acts like a central coercive authority ?
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
welll, no, i'm usually the toughest one in any gathering....

yes, there is a difference between peace and imposed order....peace is a dream, that doesn't exist. people are animals. i don't mean that in a philosophical sense, i mean it in a biological one. there is a drive to violence in people, a drive to reproduce, to dominate weaker people....it's the animal part of our natures. we all have it, whether we like to admit it or not. most of us have succeeded in controlling it well enough to get along with neighbors, and not beat someone who pisses us off to death with an antelope thigh bone....most of the time.
people are purely, deeply, flawed, and can not "get along with each other" all the time....and that is why you need a "coercive central authority"....to keep that nature in control, because most people don't seem to be able to do it for themselves
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Some folks say the same thing about religion. :roll:
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
No, a central authority claims domain over everybody.

A person who maintains control over themselves and their justly acquired property is an authority, but only over themselves etc.

Have you been smoking crack again? Or have the shit fumes confused you?
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where did this private security force go?
if you're maintaining control over your property, that has to effect your neighbors....so you're asserting your rights are more important than theirs? and how did you "justly acquire" this property? did you buy it? from who? how did you find out who to buy it from, without invading their privacy? what if hunters want to hunt on it? do you have a right to keep armed men from hunting? do they have a right to ignore you, since you don't own the deer? they aren't hunting your property, just transient deer....what about the old couple that have been taking walks through the woods since before you were born, but now you've bought their woods, and they can't walk there anymore? what about their rights?....you have all these ideas, and it doesn't seem like any two of them work together.....
 
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