Best light on the market ?

Xcoregamerskillz

Xcoregamerskillz

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I honestly dont get why King is so pissed. He's changed in the year I've been gone. My biggest issue with his nonsense is the "science" he's "referenced" without actually naming any laws or studies.

As far as heat, yes 1 watt is 3+ BTU, but LED give off more light per watt used, that is to say less energy is made directly into heat. Duh. For real.

LED has it's drawbacks. Coverage footprint, cost, and assembly are among them. I'm seriously considering spending around $1000 ona QB setup so I can run two tents. Why? Because of heat and space, the 2 biggest draws for LED. My ceiling is just over 6.5 feet, and will get smaller depending on how I build my room. (My floor gets water, so I'll likely have to elevate the room)

HPS is great if you have high ceilings and need to cover a large area or have low ambient temps. Why? Bigger footprint, more space for heat to dissipate, etc. HPS costs less upfront, is more readily available, has a great spectrum, and is a proven grow method with a huge community of growers who know how to perfectly dial in a room. THIS IS WHY COMMERCIAL OPS USE IT.

CMH is becoming popular because it's got a great spectrum and is more efficient than HPS with similar operating requirements.

CFL nobody uses these except for newbs and budget dudes, but I shit you not, my brother in law had an 8x8 running CFL and grew some dank ass smoke. He probably didn't yield anything close to what he could have with "proper" lighting, but stuffing enough of these in a space will get you smoke.

Stop bashing each other and actually take the time to have a discussion about the pros and cons. Stop telling people that they suck at growing because they don't like your preferred light.

And for God sake, King, NOT having LED makes you BIASED TOWARD the light you do use.

EDIT: I'm also considering picking up HID equipment for the winter months because here in New England we have the worst of both worlds. Hot as balls with high humidity in the summer, cold as fuck in the winter.
 
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Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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I changed or the site changed, yay legal yay leds, yay boveda but ffs stop bashing the site with it till you get your way.

My favourite light is the 250w red and blue envirolites, they went bust so i dont care what i run so long as it works.

Science of heat says i can extract and set room temps, thats good enough to run any light in so why would i need leds, temp of air the same, plants love heat radiation - two different things.

Otherwise ya i agree :-)


Xcoregamerskillz said:
I honestly dont get why King is so pissed. He's changed in the year I've been gone. My biggest issue with his nonsense is the "science" he's "referenced" without actually naming any laws or studies.

As far as heat, yes 1 watt is 3+ BTU, but LED give off more light per watt used, that is to say less energy is made directly into heat. Duh. For real.

LED has it's drawbacks. Coverage footprint, cost, and assembly are among them. I'm seriously considering spending around $1000 ona QB setup so I can run two tents. Why? Because of heat and space, the 2 biggest draws for LED. My ceiling is just over 6.5 feet, and will get smaller depending on how I build my room. (My floor gets water, so I'll likely have to elevate the room)

HPS is great if you have high ceilings and need to cover a large area or have high ambient temps. Why? Bigger footprint, more space for heat to dissipate, etc. HPS costs less upfront, is more readily available, has a great spectrum, and is a proven grow method with a huge community of growers who know how to perfectly dial in a room. THIS IS WHY COMMERCIAL OPS USE IT.

CMH is becoming popular because it's got a great spectrum and is more efficient than HPS with similar operating requirements.

CFL nobody uses these except for newbs and budget dudes, but I shit you not, my brother in law had an 8x8 running CFL and grew some dank ass smoke. He probably didn't yield anything close to what he could have with "proper" lighting, but stuffing enough of these in a space will get you smoke.

Stop bashing each other and actually take the time to have a discussion about the pros and cons. Stop telling people that they suck at growing because they don't like your preferred light.

And for God sake, King, NOT having LED makes you BIASED TOWARD the light you do use.
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Xcoregamerskillz

Xcoregamerskillz

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Kingrow1 said:
I changed or the site changed, yay legal yay leds, yay boveda but ffs stop bashing the site with it till you get your way.

My favourite light is the 250w red and blue envirolites, they went bust so i dont care what i run so long as it works.

Science of heat says i can extract and set room temps, thats good enough to run any light in so why would i need leds, temp of air the same, plants love heat radiation - two different things.

Otherwise ya i agree :-)
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Because of power costs and space saving (heat extraction) my new place has limited circuitry (it's old). So I can either do a panel swap (probably going to anyway, we want to sell in 2 years and a 200 amp service would be ideal here). So if I can run a room on 2 20A circuits that's a HUGE advantage to having to do a panel swap and run 3 circuits
 
gwheels

gwheels

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cobs...quantum boards and strips and 315CMH i love them all. :D i need more tents to run them all. I am currently pulling 125 watts on my tiny tent. I will max it out at 250 to 275 with 200 watts of light and extraction and circulation fans. I love the cob and other fixtures because they are adjustable for weird little spaces.
 
NoWaistedSpace

NoWaistedSpace

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I have so much more control over the plant and grow area.
King, you should really try the new style COBs and SMD boards.
I think even the "microbes" like the COB's. lol
 
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Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Heisenbeans said:
Yeah man cobs suck. You sound silly AF telling this shit to people who already grow with em.

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My intention is not to say they suck (well apart from the price and you telling me i got to freaking piece electrical stuff together) but more to chalkenge you back when tyou say thery are better than the rest (you and all others who keep repeating this on an eternal loop like would it kill you to change the tune #n-dubs4life).

Now we have discussed your flaws with light spectrum based on your efficiency per watt in more open terms and ive answerd eveything throw at me and throw a hec of a lot more back.

Peeps are right about discussion but as all leder's youve bigged yourself up too much that the drop is simoly too far.

A once great member once wrote (before yiur kind trolled him off) off led manufacturers that to create a spectrum to rival hps (im gonna throw cmh in there as well as thats more recent) you would simply loose all efficiency and merely be at the same standard as the humble hos/cmh you belittle.

I guess thats the philosophical answer to why you think your lights are more efficient per watt but you dont truly understand ppfd so i know you wont understandcthe anserr and just insult back.

Its not just leds but the tone you have set and the false info on hps being hot or somthing, how does a plant exist outside, the sun kicks my tents ass for everything and i can run a few hundred piddly watts of hps.

Dude take a step back and look at what your saying and the rubbish your spreading. Leds treat you better because they ate weaker and spread more - some just cant handle the big boys lights, carefull or you'll get burnt #winkingemojismileyfacepooemoji
 
gwheels

gwheels

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Heisenbeans did a real test of the various lights using cuts so the plant was the same. 315 and cobs and an HPS or MH. He liked the cobs best and that is good enough for me but you can grow with any of the lights.
I really liked the 315. I think the buds were frostier but it could have been that particular plant. Mine are all from seeds.
I really like the cobs and quantum strips and boards too. i have 1 of each so i wont get bored.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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gwheels said:
Heisenbeans did a real test of the various lights using cuts so the plant was the same. 315 and cobs and an HPS or MH. He liked the cobs best and that is good enough for me but you can grow with any of the lights.
I really liked the 315. I think the buds were frostier but it could have been that particular plant. Mine are all from seeds.
I really like the cobs and quantum strips and boards too. i have 1 of each so i wont get bored.
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To be honest his plants werent impressive, my plants finish green on harvest not all purple and what not leafed like he is posting.

Only pure green impresses me, that colour photosynthesis is at its most efficient, all else just shows signs of problems :-)
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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Guys, it's pretty easy. Light is like horsepower in a honda civic dropped with 10" tires stretched over 22's, and a performance exhaust tip. The more stickers the more horsepower, this is fact and undisputed.
It applies to lights, too. I thought it was common knowledge. Best of all, you get these upgrades free with seed purchases. I've added probably 26k lumens in the past month alone.
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NoWaistedSpace

NoWaistedSpace

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cleverpiggy said:
So, I just read this whole thread... now what’s the best light?
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A "perfect spectrum" ,"unlimited" PPFD, either single or multi-point light source that will work in conjunction with other "primary" factors to deliver the best possible environment for the healthiest growth and quality. Or just get a bunch of "perfect spectrum" stickers. lol
 
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