Colin Kapernick is the face of Nike's Just do it campaign. Old white men burn shoes. Too funny

Stink Bug

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Petflora has in just a few posts made the most sense I've seen. All current political threads included. Yeah my Malcolm X post was dredging up the past. But it seems to be a keystone in both sides argument. Parsing the past to forward the current discussion in their favor. I appreciate you pointing that out. Respect Petflora. Your words invoked some self reflection on my part. Thank you
 
PetFlora

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Fogdog said:
Well, then good for you that you supported Kaepernick's right to protest cop brutality.

I'd like to know more about his "military industrial complex" that existed in 1931.
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1931?

Eisenhower tried to warn us, but the MIC was already solidly entrenched
 
PetFlora

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Fogdog said:
Kaepernick didn't start this, the media and flag jingoists did. He didn't say anything about it before the first time when, instead of standing he remained seated. Nothing was made of it until the third pre-season game and somebody asked him. He answered honestly and after that, the old white men had a conniption. It was completely his right to decide he wasn't going to stand for the flag because he wasn't going to honor a country that in his words:

"To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

After that, he was joined by others, Trump put his big fat ass into the issue, etc.

The 49'ers were bad in his last few starts for them and benching him didn't improve them. The team was bad. Kaep certainly did have some weaknesses but to say he was awful is ludicrous. He took them to the Superbowl his first year and was one interception away from winning it. The next year, he nearly took them back but that interception bug bit him again, although it took a great play by Richard Sherman to stop him.

Fast forward to last year, when nobody signed him. Maybe he wasn't first string material but he sure as hell was better than many back-ups. Has anybody heard of Christian Hackenberg or Brad Kaaya? Kaep wasn't signed because he was not worthy of wearing the jersey as a backup, he wasn't signed because of the controversy that old white men kicked up.

Regarding Nike, the campaign is led with the uplifting message:

"Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything."

Kaep certainly embodies that message. It's also a message to all the old white men who are burning their Nike socks today. Nike are pretty much putting it on the line too, as witnessed by the downward spike in the stock price.
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unfortunately, Kaep became a political hot potato. And IMO, DJT is an asshole for his position, but, he is supported by the military, so he probably had no choice. I hope he doesn't really feel that way.

I can understand why no club would hire him because of that alone, BUT, the man needs to be paid for the money he was prevented from earning.

Besides, he is much valuable as a martyr than a player

everybody should be aware of how many hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars are paid o sports just to promote the military propaganda before games. Repetition is a form of mind control
 
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Abiqua said:
Funny before Nike 4% of shoes were imported into the Us, now its 98%. Nike is great now?

Now they get to rest their laurels on slave labor from overseas sweatshops, while pretending thats not the case. Lol.

Im an Oregonian, fuck nike, amazon, google, apple, dairy queen, texaco, monsanto, syngenta, Dow, etc. Blah blah blah
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Trump’s ties are made in Bangladesh
 
Dmannn

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Fogdog said:
If you can read your own writing, you are the one using the logical fallacy of dropping a red herring about Kaepernick not protesting about all the other world's problems.

Kaepernick protested cops killing his brothers and sisters for no good reason.

What Nike does in manufacturing their products doesn't mean Kaep is wrong to protest cops killing his brothers and sisters.

Your argument is ridiculous and was properly called out for the irony that a Trump supporter is shedding crocodile tears over Nike's manufacturing policies.

In another post, you falsely claimed Kaepernick was not a good quarterback. You say this about a quarterback who nearly won the Superbowl and contended the next year, almost winning the championship that would have made the 49ers one of the few teams ever to repeat appearances in the Superbowl.

Get real, dude. Or better yet, stick to knitting or something that doesn't embarrass you in public.
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You need to calm down. You make so many simplistic assumptions. "Close enough doesn't cut it in pro sports.

A psychotic character with fringe opinions is what you appear to be.

Relax on the insults.

Maybe someone will take you seriously.
 
Fogdog

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Dmannn said:
You need to calm down. You make so many simplistic assumptions. "Close enough doesn't cut it in pro sports.

A psychotic character with fringe opinions is what you appear to be.

Relax on the insults.

Maybe someone will take you seriously.
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What is it you object to about Kaepernick again? Your argument about him not being able to make a team is proven false simply by looking at other team's rosters. He was clearly better than many backups.

Your logical fallacies aside, tis you who are making false assumptions.
 
Stink Bug

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Why the "racist" card no longer plays.

I live in an historically black community. I'm Wonderbread white. I love my neighbors and they love me. Some support Trump, some do not. Yet we still get along wonderfully. Sure there are racists in the world. Always has been and always will be. But not all Trump supporters are racists. And not all decisions made are based on skin color. It's just the easy way out to think this.
Political affiliation, skin color or religious beliefs are not grounds to assume someone is a racists. It speaks volumes about someone that thinks they are.
 
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Fogdog

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PetFlora said:
unfortunately, Kaep became a political hot potato. And IMO, DJT is an asshole for his position, but, he is supported by the military, so he probably had no choice. I hope he doesn't really feel that way.

I can understand why no club would hire him because of that alone, BUT, the man needs to be paid for the money he was prevented from earning.

Besides, he is much valuable as a martyr than a player

everybody should be aware of how many hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars are paid o sports just to promote the military propaganda before games. Repetition is a form of mind control
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You should ask the team's fans what they think about having no chance to win when their starter goes down. The NY Jets, for instance only won 5 games. Their quarterback, Geno Smith was a terrible leader and Kaepernick was easily better than Geno was both in terms of leadership and ability. Do you think Jets fans cared so much about a respectful protest on the sidelines that they were OK with finishing in last place?

As far as the military's money is concerned. What did that have to do with anything. They never once threatened to take that money away.

I don't understand your "martyr" comment. No surprise. I rarely understand you.
 
Dmannn

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Hands up, don't shoot was predicated on a lie. A lie proven false in court. Even Eric Holder and Former Pres. Obama couldn't make it real.

This lie also infected young minds, manifesting into an ugly movement called "black lives matter," Which believes that some "rich white prejudice boogie man" is a real thing and that "white privilege" exists. Or that hate groups like the KKK, The German American Bund, or the unorganized "neo-nazis" have some legitimate opinion or power in the US.

Bless you all.
 
Fogdog

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Abiqua said:
Funny before Nike 4% of shoes were imported into the Us, now its 98%. Nike is great now?

Now they get to rest their laurels on slave labor from overseas sweatshops, while pretending thats not the case. Lol.

Im an Oregonian, fuck nike, amazon, google, apple, dairy queen, texaco, monsanto, syngenta, Dow, etc. Blah blah blah
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It is laudable that Nike is taking a risk by putting Kaepernick at the front of their ad campaign with the positive message that praises his risking it all for his stance on cops killing black people.

Their unacceptable use of 3rd world sweatshops doesn't change that message one bit. Yes it is wrong that they are using 3rd world sweatshops. They were doing so before this campaign too. What hurt their stock price this morning was Kaepernick, not sweatshop labor. Seems you are crying crocodile tears for little children in third world countries in order to prove your point rather than actually caring about them.

What you are doing is falling for or employing the old debating trick called the red-herring logical fallacy that many people, left and right fall for.
 
Fogdog

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Dmannn said:
Hands up, don't shoot was predicated on a lie. A lie proven false in court. Even Eric Holder and Former Pres. Obama couldn't make it real.

This lie also infected young minds, manifesting into an ugly movement called "black lives matter," Which believes that some "rich white prejudice boogie man" is a real thing and that "white privilege" exists. Or that hate groups like the KKK, The German American Bund, or the unorganized "neo-nazis" have some legitimate opinion or power in the US.

Bless you all.
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Wow, a list of falsehoods in that statement.
To correct the record:
Black people, especially young men are being killed for no good reason by cops.
Memberships in the KKK, and other hate groups are growing and white supremacists finally have a president who supports their agenda. He even quotes from their websites.
White privilege does exist.
Cops have tremendous power to decide when to kill and the laws explicitly protect them when in exactly the same situation a civilian would be convicted.

You can deny facts all you like. The facts will remain even when you are gone.

If you wish to ask me to back up my list of claims with citations, please, you go first.
 
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