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NoWaistedSpace

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This just isn’t true anymore. You can build COB or strip lights for relatively cheap with just a modicum of DIY ability. Quantum boards are also reaching a price point where the electrical savings are well worth it. Most LED manufacturers are full of shit and are exorbitantly overpriced. But COBs and QBs are definitely worth it.

If you’re doing a big commercial grow, then HID is still easier to set up, especially because there are no high efficient and affordable plug and play models of LED currently. But I anticipate that changing within a couple years as people like HLG start offering affordable pre-made large wattage lights.
I built my own LEd's and instantly started saving money. Plus first grow produced 20% more so my lights paid for themselves the very first round. 2nd round, i was able to buy more lights and thus created even more savings. But to each their own.
 

Greenthumbs256

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I built my own LEd's and instantly started saving money. Plus first grow produced 20% more so my lights paid for themselves the very first round. 2nd round, i was able to buy more lights and thus created even more savings. But to each their own.
Yea I can't build lights lol I hate that crap and don't understand it! I'd have to have one pre built
 

NoWaistedSpace

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Yea I can't build lights lol I hate that crap and don't understand it! I'd have to have one pre built
Look up growmau5 on youtube and you will be able to build your own. I've been building my own for over 2 years now. You can buy QB boards on Ebay for 45.00 each. That would be the best route for you if you want to try the LED experience and see what we are all talking about.
 

Greenthumbs256

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Look up growmau5 on youtube and you will be able to build your own.
I have watched some of his videos I just don't get that stuff and I don't wanna have to work to build a light that already costing me hundreds of bucks! Sorry but like I said I'm happy with hps, and until led can match the price and quality I'll stick with my hps!
 

Greenthumbs256

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I dunno where you can get eye hortilux bulbs for $60.

They don't last 1-2 years, they only last about 6 months because light intensity degrades over time. Huge drop off around 6-7 months of 12/12. Same for your t5s, those need replacements just as often.

I gotta say it takes way more than $14 where I am to run a kw, especially when you factor in ac costs.
Eye hortilix bulb 58 bucks!
https://www.amazon.com/Hortilux-Super-Enhanced-Spectrum-1000W/dp/B01LWIB5QC/ref=asc_df_B01LWIB5QC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198057002855&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13747949144515889195&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010322&hvtargid=pla-392099146948&psc=1
 

NoWaistedSpace

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I have watched some of his videos I just don't get that stuff and I don't wanna have to work to build a light that already costing me hundreds of bucks! Sorry but like I said I'm happy with hps, and until led can match the price and quality I'll stick with my hps!
LED's are a breeze to build! No need for all the "bells" and "whistles" either. Bare bones works great. lol
 

Chunky Stool

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Now factor in the cost of fans, ventilation, tools and bits to cut holes to run it, the need for much more AC, the need to change 100-200$ bulbs every 6 months, and the need to replace reflectors at minimum every 2 years and best at 1 year (guaranteed 10% light loss in first year), oh and repairs if you are renting (hopefully you run a light where the whole hood doesn't have to be replaced and you can just replace the reflector...). I am not going to even try to calculate ac use for a home grower using a room...It's less savings of course if you have a split.

It adds up big time and quickly. 200-400$ on bulbs alone a year and 100$ minimum for reflector vs. 1200 bucks up front for a light you never have to do this shit with that covers the same area and has full spectrum so yield and veg is BETTER. We are talking prebuilt top of the line. You can build your own for huge savings. Building your own easily saves you half the cost.

And average 4k watt house grow in South East states cost 700$-900$ (depends on state) in electric a month to run. Cut that in half and you have 400$ in electric savings a MONTH (even a third is great money if you wnnt to be conservative in estimate). I ran multiple homes for years in multiple SE US states so I know the average cost.

You are way off base when it comes to 10 bucks a month on electricity savings when your electric bill is cut in half due to moving to LEDS....

400 x 12 = 4800$ a year savings in power Even if it only saved you a 1/4 or a third the power the savings are big.

100-200 PER LIGHT 4k watts = 4 lights for bulb replacement twice a year.

Why keep doing math? Save money and go led.
It depends on the situation.
Heat isn't always a bad thing, but my grow area is a bit unusual.

Has anyone tried to dial in temperature by adjusting power at the drivers? That would be a fun LED experiment.
Hell you could even automate it.

I've played with exhaust fan speeds, but the scrubber doesn't work as well on low...
 

Greenthumbs256

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It depends on the situation.
Heat isn't always a bad thing, but my grow area is a bit unusual.

Has anyone tried to dial in temperature by adjusting power at the drivers? That would be a fun LED experiment.
Hell you could even automate it.

I've played with exhaust fan speeds, but the scrubber doesn't work as well on low...
On my hps I've got a magnetic ballast so no dimming I run my ac in about 65 from beg to mid flower then I run it one 60 towards the end Temps are always under 78. Towards the end I like to have Temps around 73!
 

40AmpstoFreedom

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On my hps I've got a magnetic ballast so no dimming I run my ac in about 65 from beg to mid flower then I run it one 60 towards the end Temps are always under 78. Towards the end I like to have Temps around 73!
I run a 4'x 12' flowering foot print on 1500 watts of cobs for better yield than my 3k watt hps and I don't even vent the room or have any fans. My temps with lights on 24/7 are 84 degrees max 77 at night. Temp outside 93 degrees or less. This room gets good ac and normal room would need a 4 or 6 inch out or a box fan in the door way.

How many professional grows do you see using led? If u go to YouTube and search any major professional grows they all use either hps or the lec, which are both considered high intensity discharge (hid) lights! Now there are some leds that will beat but not blow away hps, but they cost an arm and a leg! It's just stupid! But hey to each their own! There are many ways to skin a cat! Just don't go spouting crap that isn't true like the price to run hps bc that's all b.s. I've ran hps for 4 years now!

My most expensive bill bc it's summer and was running all a/c 24/7 I have 4 of them!View attachment 4187465
Why lack of warehouse grows using them?

1. Upfront costs and ignorant investors. It looks better on paper to show your investor cost of starting with HID vs. LED. They are the ones footing the big bill and when using other peoples money you do what it takes to get your foot in the door most of the time. Upfront costs are really the big thing here though, but this is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

2. Full spectrum cobs are really just hitting the market big time and making in sense in the past 2 years. This year especially.

3. What part of cost to run hps is wrong? Pretty vague statement of yours.

I have been growing 'professionally' for 4 years now. When I say professionally I mean a professional facility like you see on 'youtube'. Grow houses for a little more than a decade (I still run one as a back up for moms and everything else). I started off with 4k HPS grow houses and after 2 years bumped it up to 8-10k and split the risk between 3 homes so if one went down 2 others were still poppin. I know the costs to run HPS and I know what I saved switching over this last year to full spectrum cobs at 1200 per light. I don't work for any company that sells any equipment. I have no reason to lie or to lead other people astray. I work for my self and run a rather large grow facility. When I was deciding to switch to LED I built a grow house again on small scale so I could see if it was really worth it. Well it was and it was amazing for me to think and understand how beneficial this is to your average home grower, especially someone renting (not needing to run 30 amp lines to flower rooms is HUGE). The past 3 years has been huge for LED. It did not make sense to switch over before this because of spectrum, equipment failure (research flip chip technology for reasoning), and cost. It now only makes no sense to switch because of upfront cost. The future is here and in a big way. The next few years will be huge improvements to chips for LEDS and continued lower costs of production. There is no real tech that will beat out LED at the end of the day when it comes to HID. LEC's are an awesome improvement, but I see no room for improvement after these that could compare to the tech that LED has and will have in the future.

This will end my LED discussion because saying anything else is beating a dead horse at this point.
 

Getgrowingson

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Any of you guys used hygrozyme? I used some today about 8ml per gallon like that bottle says and I don't think my plants liked it. Maybe since it was the first time using it, and there is probably a ton of dead root mass in my coco from previous harvests. It just kinda was too much I'm thinking.
Look up biocozyme by grow more and save a ton and thank me later.
 

Greenthumbs256

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I run a 4'x 12' flowering foot print on 1500 watts of cobs for better yield than my 3k watt hps and I don't even vent the room or have any fans. My temps with lights on 24/7 are 84 degrees max 77 at night. Temp outside 93 degrees or less.



Why lack of warehouse grows using them?

1. Upfront costs and ignorant investors. It looks better on paper to show your investor cost of starting with HID vs. LED. They are the ones footing the big bill and when using other peoples money you do what it takes to get your foot in the door most of the time. Upfront costs are really the big thing here though, but this is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

2. Full spectrum cobs are really just hitting the market big time and making in sense in the past 2 years. This year especially.

3. What part of cost to run hps is wrong? Pretty vague statement of yours.

I have been growing 'professionally' for 4 years now. When I say professionally I mean a professional facility like you see on 'youtube'. Grow houses for a little more than a decade (I still run one as a back up for moms and everything else). I started off with 4k HPS grow houses and after 2 years bumped it up to 8-10k and split the risk between 3 homes so if one went down 2 others were still poppin. I know the costs to run HPS and I know what I saved switching over this last year to full spectrum cobs at 1200 per light. I don't work for any company that sells any equipment. I have no reason to lie or to lead other people astray. I work for my self and run a rather large grow facility. When I was deciding to switch to LED I built a grow house again on small scale so I could see if it was really worth it. Well it was and it was amazing for me to think and understand how beneficial this is to your average home grower, especially someone renting (not needing to run 30 amp lines to flower rooms is HUGE). The past 3 years has been huge for LED. It did not make sense to switch over before this because of spectrum, equipment failure (research flip chip technology for reasoning), and cost. It now only makes no sense to switch because of upfront cost. The future is here and in a big way. The next few years will be huge improvements to chips for LEDS and continued lower costs of production. There is no real tech that will beat out LED at the end of the day when it comes to HID. LEC's are an awesome improvement, but I see no room for improvement after these that could compare to the tech that LED has and will have in the future.

This will end my LED discussion because saying anything else is beating a dead horse at this point.
I still have issue with the upfront cost, it makes sense and I can see why you switching was cheaper on that size you weren't buying one bulb to replace lol

But for me being a small grower 1200 bucks is more than I've spent on everything! Including the seeds! I just can't swing that bottom line!
 

40AmpstoFreedom

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I still have issue with the upfront cost, it makes sense and I can see why you switching was cheaper on that size you weren't buying one bulb to replace lol

But for me being a small grower 1200 bucks is more than I've spent on everything! Including the seeds! I just can't swing that bottom line!
This is totally true and I figured this being your reasoning. Probably in 2 years man it will be affordable for everyone! It's going to be amazing. It really has me excited not only for commercial applications but my heart will always be with the home growers. Fuck corporations trying to regulate the average man out.
 

Greenthumbs256

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This is totally true and I figured this being your reasoning. Probably in 2 years man it will be affordable for everyone! It's going to be amazing. It really has me excited not only for commercial applications but my heart will always be with the home growers. Fuck corporations trying to regulate the average man out.
I really hope ur right! I have heard a lot about the new cobs and stuff even have 2 qb's in my shopping cart! I've wanted to switch for a good year just to do a side by side for myself I love experimenting! Its just that upfront cost I'm small and poor lol well not poor but poor enough!
 
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