Greenpoint seeds!!

NoWaistedSpace

NoWaistedSpace

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Heisengrow said:
Just curious what cuts would you guys like to see Gu run with his stardawg.If there was a clone only strain that you could have of your choice which would it be.Maybe Gu will read it and try and make it happen.
Edit forgot to add,The one i would love to have would be the MAC or see it crossed
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THT said:
Big one on the left is Cackleberry, shorty on the bottom right is OBS.
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Cackles smell like diesel and soap, heavy feeder
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The OBS, very frosty, not super loud, smell is like orange cream, but after a few seconds really starts to smell like an actual orange flower blossom, sweet and incredible. She grew quickly through veg with lots of branching and very little stretch, maybe 50%. She never looked incredibly Indica, but has a bit of that fatness to her leaves. I neglected her for one day too long and the res got low and unbalanced. The texture of the buds is like glue, not greasy at all just pure flytrap stickyness.
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I have 3 OBS looking good. Glad I bought 3 or 4 packs of them.
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Tangerine_ said:
You didn't ask me, but I'm on my 3rd round with Tomahawk and haven't had any problems cloning it...so far. To be honest, I'm kinda just waiting for it to happen though.

GG4 has many reports of "dudding" and peeps have had very poor rooting rates. You might have a GG dom plant? If your JP is rooting fine in the same cloner this might be the cause.

For more info check ICMag or possibly here. I think I read @HydroRed had some issues with his gg4 clone. Sometimes its due to the health of the mother and sometimes its just a branch or two that duds.

There's a lot of theories surrounding it and those threads can give you a more in depth answer than I can.

Hope this helps
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How are the smells on your Tomahawks?
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Yodaweed said:
Nah bro you don't make any sense because you are just wasting money, LEDs do not pay for themselves in one run. I pay 11 cents per kwh here in colorado, and have a 14k btu portable a/c unit and a mini split, how are you going to save me money on an investment that would cost me thousands, there's no savings in trying to return pennies, what do you live in Hawaii or somewhere that's over priced electric otherwise you have wasted your money.
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Greenthumbs256 said:
I hate to say it but I agree the 10 bucks a month I'd save on electricity just isn't worth the 800 bucks in a led set up!
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Now factor in the cost of fans, ventilation, tools and bits to cut holes to run it, the need for much more AC, the need to change 100-200$ bulbs every 6 months, and the need to replace reflectors at minimum every 2 years and best at 1 year (guaranteed 10% light loss in first year), oh and repairs if you are renting (hopefully you run a light where the whole hood doesn't have to be replaced and you can just replace the reflector...). I am not going to even try to calculate ac use for a home grower using a room...It's less savings of course if you have a split.

It adds up big time and quickly. 200-400$ on bulbs alone a year and 100$ minimum for reflector vs. 1200 bucks up front for a light you never have to do this shit with that covers the same area and has full spectrum so yield and veg is BETTER. We are talking prebuilt top of the line. You can build your own for huge savings. Building your own easily saves you half the cost.

An average 4k watt house grow in South East states cost 700$-900$ (depends on state) in electric a month to run. Cut that in half and you have 400$ in electric savings a MONTH (even a third is great money if you want to be conservative in estimate). I ran multiple homes for years in multiple SE US states so I know the average cost.

You are way off base when it comes to 10 bucks a month on electricity savings when your electric bill is cut in half due to moving to LEDS....

400 x 12 = 4800$ a year savings in power Even if it only saved you a 1/4 or a third the power the savings are big.

100-200 PER LIGHT 4k watts = 4 lights for bulb replacement twice a year.

Why keep doing math? Save money and go led.
 
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Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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40AmpstoFreedom said:
Now factor in the cost of fans, ventilation, tools and bits to cut holes to run it, the need for much more AC, the need to change 100-200$ bulbs every 6 months, and the need to replace reflectors at minimum every 2 years and best at 1 year (guaranteed 10% light loss in first year), oh and repairs if you are renting (hopefully you run a light where the whole hood doesn't have to be replaced and you can just replace the reflector...). I am not going to even try to calculate ac use for a home grower using a room...It's less savings of course if you have a split.

It adds up big time and quickly. 200-400$ on bulbs alone a year and 100$ minimum for reflector vs. 1200 bucks up front for a light you never have to do this shit with that covers the same area and has full spectrum so yield and veg is BETTER.

And average 4k watt house grow in South East states cost 700$-900$ (depends on state) in electric a month to run. Cut that in half and you have 400$ in electric savings a MONTH. I ran multiple homes for years in multiple SE US states so I know the average cost.

You are way off base when it comes to 10 bucks a month on electricity savings when your electric bill is cut in half due to moving to LEDS....

400 x 12 = 4800$ a year savings in power

100-200 PER LIGHT 4k watts = 4 lights for bulb replacement twice a year.

Why keep doing math? Save money and go led.
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OK well first off the bulbs for top of the line are(eye hortilux) 60 bucks you can get cheap ones for 40, they also last 1-2 years! second no one replaces the hoods and stuff that's stupid just clean it! (It's glass and aluminum or something cleans very easy) and lastly I pay 180-200 bucks a month for electric have 1k hps, 12kbtu ac(4 total in the house) carbon scrubber with 18in fan, multiple regular fans, 2 8 bulb t5s in veg room plus more fans, and all the other crap running in my house!

Dude your way off ur doubling or more of what it really cost! When I say that light cost me about 10 bucks a month I'm dam close within 4 bucks! This cap about 200 bucks in bulbs is BS the cost for reflectors BS. and lastly the debate for hps vs led is totally up for debate depending how many thousands of Dollars u spend on a light hps will beat 80% of all leds! Every time! Unless like I said u buy the 1500 dollar lights!
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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How many professional grows do you see using led? If u go to YouTube and search any major professional grows they all use either hps or the lec, which are both considered high intensity discharge (hid) lights! Now there are some leds that will beat but not blow away hps, but they cost an arm and a leg! It's just stupid! But hey to each their own! There are many ways to skin a cat! Just don't go spouting crap that isn't true like the price to run hps bc that's all b.s. I've ran hps for 4 years now!

My most expensive bill bc it's summer and was running all a/c 24/7 I have 4 of them!CM180826-144646001.jpg
 
quiescent

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Greenthumbs256 said:
OK well first off the bulbs for top of the line are(eye hortilux) 60 bucks you can get cheap ones for 40, they also last 1-2 years! second no one replaces the hoods and stuff that's stupid just clean it! (It's glass and aluminum or something cleans very easy) and lastly I pay 180-200 bucks a month for electric have 1k hps, 12kbtu ac(4 total in the house) carbon scrubber with 18in fan, multiple regular fans, 2 8 bulb t5s in veg room plus more fans, and all the other crap running in my house!

Dude your way off ur doubling or more of what it really cost! When I say that light cost me about 10 bucks a month I'm dam close within 4 bucks! This cap about 200 bucks in bulbs is BS the cost for reflectors BS. and lastly the debate for hps vs led is totally up for debate depending how many thousands of Dollars u spend on a light hps will beat 80% of all leds! Every time! Unless like I said u buy the 1500 dollar lights!
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I dunno where you can get eye hortilux bulbs for $60.

They don't last 1-2 years, they only last about 6 months because light intensity degrades over time. Huge drop off around 6-7 months of 12/12. Same for your t5s, those need replacements just as often.

I gotta say it takes way more than $14 where I am to run a kw, especially when you factor in ac costs.
 
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Greenthumbs256 said:
How many professional grows do you see using led? If u go to YouTube and search any major professional grows they all use either hps or the lec, which are both considered high intensity discharge (hid) lights! Now there are some leds that will beat but not blow away hps, but they cost an arm and a leg! It's just stupid! But hey to each their own! There are many ways to skin a cat! Just don't go spouting crap that isn't true like the price to run hps bc that's all b.s. I've ran hps for 4 years now!
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This just isn’t true anymore. You can build COB or strip lights for relatively cheap with just a modicum of DIY ability. Quantum boards are also reaching a price point where the electrical savings are well worth it. Most LED manufacturers are full of shit and are exorbitantly overpriced. But COBs and QBs are definitely worth it.

If you’re doing a big commercial grow, then HID is still easier to set up, especially because there are no high efficient and affordable plug and play models of LED currently. But I anticipate that changing within a couple years as people like HLG start offering affordable pre-made large wattage lights.
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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jayblaze710 said:
This just isn’t true anymore. You can build COB or strip lights for relatively cheap with just a modicum of DIY ability. Quantum boards are also reaching a price point where the electrical savings are well worth it. Most LED manufacturers are full of shit and are exorbitantly overpriced. But COBs and QBs are definitely worth it.

If you’re doing a big commercial grow, then HID is still easier to set up, especially because there are no high efficient and affordable plug and play models of LED currently. But I anticipate that changing within a couple years as people like HLG start offering affordable pre-made large wattage lights.
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I have looked into the q boards and the cobs but they are still 2 times or more as much as an hps! To replace my hps I found some qbs but it would cost me 640 bucks that's more than double! To me it's just not worth it in a few years when the hype goes down and something better comes along I may actually try the qb but for 600 bucks up front when my hps was 200 and has worked great for 4 years and changed the bulb once so far! And I'm killing it, plants are healthy and yield is great! I just can't justify that kinda upfront cost!
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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quiescent said:
I dunno where you can get eye hortilux bulbs for $60.

They don't last 1-2 years, they only last about 6 months because light intensity degrades over time. Huge drop off around 6-7 months of 12/12. Same for your t5s, those need replacements just as often.

I gotta say it takes way more than $14 where I am to run a kw, especially when you factor in ac costs.
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Google I paid 64 bucks for my last eye hortilux bulb! And I showed u my bill, and my set up can't really provide any more prof than that! And if you were running your bulb 24/7 yea 6 months till it starts to lose some juice but it's a flowering bulb it runs 12 hrs a day! I've had my set up for 4 years changed the bulb once! And I have no issues at all!
 
dubekoms

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Greenthumbs256 said:
How many professional grows do you see using led? If u go to YouTube and search any major professional grows they all use either hps or the lec, which are both considered high intensity discharge (hid) lights! Now there are some leds that will beat but not blow away hps, but they cost an arm and a leg! It's just stupid! But hey to each their own! There are many ways to skin a cat! Just don't go spouting crap that isn't true like the price to run hps bc that's all b.s. I've ran hps for 4 years now!

My most expensive bill bc it's summer and was running all a/c 24/7 I have 4 of them!View attachment 4187465
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Most people here ain't huge professional growers. I think leds fit in really well with the "small" scale grower who's only looking to run a couple hundred or thousand watts. My grow tent is 4x3 and I run about 400 watts in it, if I tried using a 600 or 1000 watt in their i wouldn't be able to run my a.c. on the same circuit. Plus electricity is 22 cents kwh here so yeah fucken sucks lol but to each his own, both lights grow dank buds.
 
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quiescent

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Greenthumbs256 said:
Google I paid 64 bucks for my last eye hortilux bulb! And I showed u my bill, and my set up can't really provide any more prof than that! And if you were running your bulb 24/7 yea 6 months till it starts to lose some juice but it's a flowering bulb it runs 12 hrs a day! I've had my set up for 4 years changed the bulb once! And I have no issues at all!
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I'm sure you're missing out on yield potential and some terps but if you're happy, you're happy.
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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dubekoms said:
Most people here ain't huge professional growers. I think leds fit in really well with the "small" scale grower who's only looking to run a couple hundred or thousand watts. My grow tent is 4x3 and I run about 400 watts in it, if I tried using a 600 or 1000 watt in their i wouldn't be able to run my a.c. on the same circuit. Plus electricity is 22 cents kwh here so yeah fucken sucks lol but to each his own, both lights grow dank buds.
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You have got me there for your size I agree! But I run a 5x5 and soon want to expand I'll be hids for w a while until leds can match hps in price and quality!
 
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