Good ole' trial & error... On the error side again; What went wrong with this soil batch?

[OPfarmer]

Found the pick of the what's left of this summers outdoor Automatic grow.

Yep yellow fan leaves, real mature bud, not a hair to be found.

Grown in peat, perlite, chunky coconut fiber, and a big handful of moldy well rotten alfalfa meal. Maybe a little biochar and some myco and bacteria

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Bigger fish to fry is my opinion.

* Root color and smell of soil..!!!!?*

Just my opinion it's not the micro nutrients causing the problem. Sure correct for them but until I can see roots and put my nose in the soil, I am not convinced the problem is not bigger than a few low micro's

High Brix gardening was developed in the 1930's. The whole idea is about raising micro levels. It's also a revolutionary concept.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Found the pick of the what's left of this summers outdoor Automatic grow.
View attachment 4182527
Yep yellow fan leaves, real mature bud, not a hair to be found.

Grown in peat, perlite, chunky coconut fiber, and a big handful of moldy well rotten alfalfa meal. Maybe a little biochar and some myco and bacteria

When you plant in the ground, the soil has minerals in it already. You can't say the same about container gardens. Where is your micro input like rock dust or kelp? Composted comfrey if you want to go that route

 

[greencropper]

some plant disease infections are uncontrollable, ive been battling a fungal infection similar to Panama Disease in my outdoor grow zone since 2001, it is impossible to grow healthy plants in the soil here in the ground...no matter what amendments are used, some other trees & plants are ok, but Cannabis...NO, the disease first affected plants grown in pots on the ground, so i could only grow in the ground...then the disease morphed & started affecting the plants grown in soil in the ground, the government here are at a total loss on how to deal/treat this disease, with a quarantining of affected banana plantations & other farms for up to 30yrs, even if i try to grow the plants in pots on the ground the disease invades the pots & plants usually stunt or perish within 1 mth, the only way i can grow on this ground is that there is a barrier between the ground & pot, i use inverted pot saucers as that barrier & place the pots on top, also healthy doses of mychorrizal/trichoderma treatments help, im guessing this fungal disease has spread across the top of the ground like an invisible carpet...and it is very stubborn & strong, once a plant is infected no matter how much treatment is used to save it they never recover

 

[NewGrower2011]

Okay, I'm convinced we need an old school "Celebrity Death Match" for these two fellas!

 

[greencropper]

@NewGrower2011 i have added my story as just an option that you may not have thought of, in that it may be a form of plant disease & not a nutrient deficiency? good luck with finding an answer

 

[MustangStudFarm]

@MustangStudFarm i have added my story as just an option that you may not have thought of, in that it may be a form of plant disease & not a nutrient deficiency? good luck with finding an answer

I didn't say anything, I only have veggies outside growing. It's one reason that I am nervous about setting up a greenhouse, it's going to open a whole new can of worms that I didn't anticipate...

 

[greencropper]

I didn't say anything, I only have veggies outside growing. It's one reason that I am nervous about setting up a greenhouse, it's going to open a whole new can of worms that I didn't anticipate...

sorry man, i made a mistake & meant it to go to newgrower,

 

[MustangStudFarm]

sorry man, i made a mistake & meant it to go to newgrower,

At least, you are not telling people to disregard the soil test results that they paid for lol!!!

 

[NewGrower2011]

@NewGrower2011 i have added my story as just an option that you may not have thought of, in that it may be a form of plant disease & not a nutrient deficiency? good luck with finding an answer

No sweat. It's all good - I was just poking fun at Mustang and his nemesis since I'd seen the debate on other threads as well. All input/stories/comparisons are welcome.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

No sweat. It's all good - I was just poking fun at Mustang and his nemesis since I'd seen the debate on other threads as well. All input/stories/comparisons are welcome.

It has became very obvious that a lot of people are suffering from a micro def but don't think that is what the problem is. I didn't think much of my micro problem until last harvest, it was hell but it opened my eyes! Mn and Zn def is devastating. I can put pics to the soil test, but some people still want to doubt... Alright, I'm off to play some golf now...

 

[OPfarmer]

When you plant in the ground, the soil has minerals in it already. You can't say the same about container gardens. Where is your micro input like rock dust or kelp? Composted comfrey if you want to go that route

Ok here is two giant 60 foot containers, with nothing but horse shit and straw.



Micro/macro soil test?
Let your plants talk to you.. First round of mustard in horse shit had some nute lock.
Forked it under and cukes and tomatoes rocked.

Findhorn man..it's all a state of mind. Be one with your soil.

Those plants of yours tell me the roots we're dead. That's why I have asked several times..

*How did the soil smell and what color we're the roots.*

I think you were anarobic. Sure fix the micro nutrients, but it my opinion that is not the root of the problem.

Did you look at the roots? Do you smell your soil like your sniffing a good bud???

If it's sweet it's alive and good.

Just how do you think homosapiens got along for so many millennia with out fucking soil labs?
Free your mind man, breath, become one with your soil which in turn will grow your medicine.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

First round of mustard in horse shit had some nute lock.

Here is my problem, you are OK with not knowing what actually happened. You are just saying "nute lock" without any understanding of what went wrong. Did you really fix the problem, or did you come here to figure it out? Don't knock on me for testing my soil and figuring shit out...

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Just how do you think homosapiens got along for so many millennia with out fucking soil labs?

By fumbling around and experimenting. I want scientific evidence of what is happening, I don't like to guess.

 

[Ecompost]

Ok here is two giant 60 foot containers, with nothing but horse shit and straw.
View attachment 4182571


Micro/macro soil test?
Let your plants talk to you.. First round of mustard in horse shit had some nute lock.
Forked it under and cukes and tomatoes rocked.

Findhorn man..it's all a state of mind. Be one with your soil.

Those plants of yours tell me the roots we're dead. That's why I have asked several times..

*How did the soil smell and what color we're the roots.*

I think you were anarobic. Sure fix the micro nutrients, but it my opinion that is not the root of the problem.

Did you look at the roots? Do you smell your soil like your sniffing a good bud???

If it's sweet it's alive and good.

Just how do you think homosapiens got along for so many millennia with out fucking soil labs?
Free your mind man, breath, become one with your soil which in turn will grow your medicine.

Hmm, perhaps a good idea is CO2 burst rate testing, esp if you already know you have micros present. if you are suffering lowered rates of soil CO2, then you will surely be facing a problem with micros and or even macros too, this perhaps more closely related to the effectiveness of your microbial biome, rather than qty of inorganic/ organic minerals/ compounds that might be available.

just because we did do things differently before we advanced our understanding, dont mean we have to stay in the dark ages today, equally we ought not to dismiss the past because we think we are smarter today. Its just a fact we own tools to observe the macro and the micro in ways not before possible. this is a good thing I think.

Your cucumbers are glorious anyway. You are blessed also with environmental conditions that favor good plant growth, esp of cucubrits and Nightshades if not Green Salads or covers.

i wouldnt mind to see if you might repeat this picture in your chosen media if you had temps in excess of 40C and relative humidity around 43%?
We often owe our success to the unmentioned

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Micro/macro soil test?

You just don't understand how important micro nutrients are.

Why is there a need for trace elements?
Essential trace elements are nutrients which are required by plants and animals to survive, grow, and reproduce but are needed in only minute amounts. Southern Australian cropping soils are more likely to be deficient in zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), and manganese (Mn) than the other trace elements.
Of these three, Zn deficiency is probably the most important because it occurs over the widest area. Zn deficiency can severely limit annual pasture legume production and reduce cereal grain yields by up to 30 per cent. Cu deficiency is also important because it is capable of causing total crop failure.
If these three trace elements are not managed well the productivity of crops and pastures can suffer valuable losses, and further production can also be lost through secondary effects such as increased disease damage and susceptibility to frost.
Adequate trace element nutrition is just as important for vigorous and profitable crops and pastures as adequate major element (such as nitrogen or phosphorus) nutrition.

https://grdc.com.au/resources-and-publications/grdc-update-papers/tab-content/grdc-update-papers/2016/02/detecting-and-managing-trace-element-deficiencies-in-crops

 

[Ecompost]

some plant disease infections are uncontrollable, ive been battling a fungal infection similar to Panama Disease in my outdoor grow zone since 2001, it is impossible to grow healthy plants in the soil here in the ground...no matter what amendments are used, some other trees & plants are ok, but Cannabis...NO, the disease first affected plants grown in pots on the ground, so i could only grow in the ground...then the disease morphed & started affecting the plants grown in soil in the ground, the government here are at a total loss on how to deal/treat this disease, with a quarantining of affected banana plantations & other farms for up to 30yrs, even if i try to grow the plants in pots on the ground the disease invades the pots & plants usually stunt or perish within 1 mth, the only way i can grow on this ground is that there is a barrier between the ground & pot, i use inverted pot saucers as that barrier & place the pots on top, also healthy doses of mychorrizal/trichoderma treatments help, im guessing this fungal disease has spread across the top of the ground like an invisible carpet...and it is very stubborn & strong, once a plant is infected no matter how much treatment is used to save it they never recover

and so the future has caught up with the under educated and those chemists are laughing now that we ever brought in to their bullshit as they risk to starve alongside us.
United fruit are to blame for the state of bananas imo, even if this doesnt solve the problem, its good to know ones enemy.
Tough luck, but not dissimilar to Olive plantations here and around the world where Xyella is wrecking livelihoods uncontrolled. We have ignored the superior intellect of our natural partners, and now they are showing us the true reality of epigenetic organisms and so who really holds the key to life and death.
I suspect those ridiculing evolution are sitting quietly now?

 

[Ecompost]

You just don't understand how important micro nutrients are.

Why is there a need for trace elements?
Essential trace elements are nutrients which are required by plants and animals to survive, grow, and reproduce but are needed in only minute amounts. Southern Australian cropping soils are more likely to be deficient in zinc (Zn), copper (Cu), and manganese (Mn) than the other trace elements.
Of these three, Zn deficiency is probably the most important because it occurs over the widest area. Zn deficiency can severely limit annual pasture legume production and reduce cereal grain yields by up to 30 per cent. Cu deficiency is also important because it is capable of causing total crop failure.
If these three trace elements are not managed well the productivity of crops and pastures can suffer valuable losses, and further production can also be lost through secondary effects such as increased disease damage and susceptibility to frost.
Adequate trace element nutrition is just as important for vigorous and profitable crops and pastures as adequate major element (such as nitrogen or phosphorus) nutrition.

https://grdc.com.au/resources-and-publications/grdc-update-papers/tab-content/grdc-update-papers/2016/02/detecting-and-managing-trace-element-deficiencies-in-crops

or environmental/ biological conditions, and how they can limit micros, helping them leach or bind in to non available states, or otherwise restrict access where we dont have deficiency in stores

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Sure soil test may show some micro deffecency, but gut tells me something else is going on.

Manganese deficiency
Mn is poorly translocated within the plant so symptoms first appear in young leaves. Old leaves on plants severely affected by Mn deficiency can still be dark green and healthy because they acquired Mn from the seed and once Mn enters a leaf it cannot be shifted out.
Mn deficiency results in plants which are weak, floppy, and pale green/yellow in appearance. Mn-deficient crops can appear to be water-stressed due to their sagging appearance. Close examination of affected plants can reveal slight interveinal chlorosis; where the distinction between green veins and ‘yellow’ interveinal areas is poor.
In oats Mn deficiency produces a condition known as ‘grey speck’. Mn-deficient oats are pale green and young leaves have spots or lesions of grey/brown necrotic tissue with orange margins (this contrasts with Septoria lesions which have purple/red margins). These lesions will coalesce under severely Mn-deficient conditions.
Mn deficiency delays plant maturity, which is a condition most marked in lupins. Mn-deficient patches in lupins will continue to remain green months after the rest of the paddock is ready for harvest. Delayed maturity in patches of the crop is frequently the only visual symptom of Mn deficiency in lupins. Mn deficiency will also cause seed deformities in grain legumes. Lupins suffer from ‘split-seed’ which is caused by the embryo breaking through a very weak seed coat. ‘Split-seed’ will reduce yields and also viability of the harvested grain. A similar condition in peas is known as ‘marsh spot’ due to a diffuse dark grey area within the seed.

https://grdc.com.au/resources-and-publications/grdc-update-papers/tab-content/grdc-update-papers/2016/02/detecting-and-managing-trace-element-deficiencies-in-crops

 

[Ecompost]

Found the pick of the what's left of this summers outdoor Automatic grow.
View attachment 4182527
Yep yellow fan leaves, real mature bud, not a hair to be found.

Grown in peat, perlite, chunky coconut fiber, and a big handful of moldy well rotten alfalfa meal. Maybe a little biochar and some myco and bacteria

I like your fade, its natural