DIY with Quantum Boards

[Frank Nitty]

I just might grab one with my next order from them and test it against the data provided by HLG on their product page. I won't be paying HLG a 60% markup for one of their rigs. I mean if you create a visual representation of the data HLG provides you'll see its pretty much a trash product anyways.

So forgive me, but I am ignorant on this...How exactly does HLG 'own' this technology? What did they invent? Did they invent these diodes? If so, why haven't they patented it?

HLG is a prime example for why you don't go to market with a sham marketing strategy. The HLG-550 is miles away from a 1000w HID replacement. Its fundamentally flawed, so there's really nothing they can do design wise to overcome SE HPS. They tried to cut costs, and ended up giving whatever they had over to China and haven't even patented whatever it is they claim is their's. Its unfortunate, but if you want to lie to your customers and manufacture your shit in China, don't be upset when legit Chinese vendors start pushing your stuff for half the price.

That kinda makes sense but im not ordering anything out of country that has to do with lights... HLG gets my vote everytime cause ive seen the results firsthand... And as I am known to say, they're just a few hours away from me!!!

 

[Frank Nitty]

If you or anyone actually read the thread, you'd know what was their design and what was not. And don't make shit up either. Where did I say the chip was HLG's? I said intellectual property, which includes their brand. And you can keep your antique, energy wasting tech.

I'd love to see one of those boards tested. Maybe you could get cobkits to do it for you and use his Sphere, get real, no user bias data.

Its already being discussed to tax home growers by the kilowatt. Won't be long before we're forced into efficiency.

I'll smoke my shitty bud grown with my shitty HLG lights thank you all the same.............

Right on brother

 

[Frank Nitty]

Who cares about all that shit when the end result that we all want is a good harvest? If one light grows good plants and another does the same thing, we should congratulate and not player hate... Its not a good look when in the end you get the same result...caann yoouu dig itttttt??

 

[Frank Nitty]

I guess I'll play Guinea pig here..
Got these installed last night.
Running at 700ma I cant open my eyes inside the tent. I'll be needing some good sunglasses for sure.
These are 3500k 304 boards with the 660 LEDs from Shenzhen meijiu lighting co.
The promise LM561C S6 LEDs and I found several positive reviews of the boards from this company so I went ahead with it.
Total cost with shipping ect including aluminum angle for frames and all the wiring was around $1300 for 16 panels
Shipping was $202 and customs/duty was $16.
Rest of my stuff wont be here until next week... but I'll keep everyone posted.

Nice setup dawg

 

[619kt619]

I'm not supporting them taking the name. I'm saying who cares? They built their name off a sham marketing strategy. I don't respect that type of business practice, so I don't give a shit if China does what they're doing now. Why respect a name built off a lie? I'm arguing that the design itself is poor, and that it can be proven with science that their '1000w HID replacement' absolutely cannot replace a 1000w HPS.
Yeah, its shitty business practices, but its China; what do you expect? Are we really complaining about Chinese business practice right now as if that's going to change? You manufacture your product in China with technology you didn't create, you don't have any patents, they start selling your design. This will happen every single time a successful product is handled in this fashion. No point in not being realistic. Those KingBrite QBs are probably the exact same thing, but regardless, my point is that they don't live up to their claims.

China isn't going to change. HLG handed it to them. Product isn't what they say it is anyways...All I'm saying.

don't go into business for yourself, or I guess you could because fuck it right? you open up shop and some fool off the street sees you being successful and decides that they will undercut you and take your business. But you know that there is no way they can do that unless they are cutting corners, using inferior parts or are not in it to make money. Expect for if you really did mark up the shit out of it, in which case basic economics will compensate.

You really need to get off of the whole they are the worst people in the world because they claimed something that is not true. Let me clue you in on a little secret, every fucking company does that shit*. Oh wait cause they didn't put a disclaimer on it they are liars and thieves? You shouldn't buy anything cause when push comes to shove ain't no one gonna give you exactly what they are claiming (cheapest tv service, 1000 mb/s, will make you look ten years younger). Get really real for a sec and think about it, HLG ain't rollin in the dough and ripping people off with high pricing. There are business expenses called overhead, and obviously it is way over yours. But Jerry is making a pretty penny cause he didn't have to incur those overhead costs.

And now homeboy that saw you doin good is watching you close your doors cause he took all your business*

 

[CCCmints]

That kinda makes sense but im not ordering anything out of country that has to do with lights... HLG gets my vote everytime cause ive seen the results firsthand... And as I am known to say, they're just a few hours away from me!!!

Then you pay the markup...That's up to you. Doesn't mean you're going to have anything better than the people who don't.

The funniest part is the idea that 'quantum boards' will even be able to keep up in the long run.

"Chip-on-board LED market to grow at 35.5% CAGR to 2020. The global chip-on-board (COB) LED market will rise at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 35.51% during 2016-2020, according to a report by market research firm TechNavio."

That's higher than the CAGR of the 'LED grow market' as a whole, which is only 26.93% between 2015-2020.

Horticulture operations isn't even cited as a contributing factor to that figure. Automotive lighting, home lighting, corporate building lighting, etc. What's the CAGR of 'quantum boards'? COBs have so many more resources allocated to the development of them. They will become exponentionally cheaper and more efficient in the near future.

I'm sorry if you fell for the bullshit. HLG's products will still grow great cannabis. They just aren't really at the caliber you guys think they are, and their future is becoming increasingly dim.

 

[CCCmints]

don't go into business for yourself, or I guess you could because fuck it right? you open up shop and some fool off the street sees you being successful and decides that they will undercut you and take your business. But you know that there is no way they can do that unless they are cutting corners, using inferior parts or are not in it to make money. Expect for if you really did mark up the shit out of it, in which case basic economics will compensate.

You really need to get off of the whole they are the worst people in the world because they claimed something that is not true. Let me clue you in on a little secret, every fucking company does that shit*. Oh wait cause they didn't put a disclaimer on it they are liars and thieves? You shouldn't buy anything cause when push comes to shove ain't no one gonna give you exactly what they are claiming (cheapest tv service, 1000 mb/s, will make you look ten years younger). Get really real for a sec and think about it, HLG ain't rollin in the dough and ripping people off with high pricing. There are business expenses called overhead, and obviously it is way over yours. But Jerry is making a pretty penny cause he didn't have to incur those overhead costs.

And now homeboy that saw you doin good is watching you close your doors cause he took all your business*

You seem really, really upset. Just be ready for companies to come into this market without having to display blatant lies on the front page of their site to con people who can't even run simple tests before spending thousands of dollars. It is possible to be a transparent company. Do you think that doesnt exist?

You will never see quantum boards in large-scale commercial operations. Want to put some money on that?

 

[nfhiggs]

t is possible to be a transparent company

I agree - you don't have to use marketing BS. I don't. I simply provide a known quality product (Samsung F- strips) at a reasonable, fair price for the added value I provide by assembling it into a ready to use product.

Time will tell if thats a viable business model or not.

 

[CCCmints]

I agree - you don't have to use marketing BS. I don't. I simply provide a known quality product (Samsung F- strips) at a reasonable, fair price for the added value I provide by assembling it into a ready to use product.

Time will tell if thats a viable business model or not.

What's the difference between creating a company incorporating Samsung F-strips and what people like https://fluence.science/ are already doing on an extremely large scale? A guy running one of my prototypes tested a cut he's grown for several years under one of their lights, and to say he was disappointed with the quality would be an understatement. Based on that experience, it seems that running fixture designs purely comprised of LED strips in a row, does not produce the quality expected by a man who's grown for 15 years, and who has also grown/intimately observed the tested cut for several years.

I think strips are great for supplementing COB arrays. They really fit well in that respect actually. But if the question is, 'do strips in a row constitute a viable business model?' - Based on how far into that game Fluence already is (1000s of fixtures currently in operation), and the experience my grower had with one of their products, I'm going to have to conclude that I do not think it is a viable business model at all, unfortunately.

It looks like if strips are the future, Fluence is the future. But it also looks like they are not, so time will tell who takes that throne.

 

[ZioFrancolino]

Hlg boards are probably overpriced but at least HLG is a company you can trust, chinese sellers sometimes scam you and they give you no guarantees, it's like the backbone of chinese trading, compare amazon/ebay and alibaba: when you buy from amazon/ebay there is transparency and you can leave a review if something goes wrong, thing you can't do on Alibaba because they know most of chinese companies sell fake/cheap stuffs.

 

[CCCmints]

Hlg boards are probably overpriced but at least HLG is a company you can trust, chinese sellers sometimes scam you and they give you no guarantees, it's like the backbone of chinese trading, compare amazon/ebay and alibaba: when you buy from amazon/ebay there is transparency and you can leave a review if something goes wrong, thing you can't do on Alibaba because they know most of chinese companies sell fake/cheap stuffs.

Except their whole marketing strategy is based on a blatant lie, so you actually cannot trust them at all. Jerry @ KingBrite is far more trustworthy than HLG. He makes a whole lot more money than them too, and will continue to do so. With vendors like him, the community is his company's review system. He's made thousands off me alone because I was linked to him by a respected member (and moderator) of another cultivation community, and he produced in fantastic fashion. If he starts acting like your typical Chinese vendor, his business crumbles. He's not in the business of 'being a standard Chinese Alibaba vendor'. His business model is to provide high quality products, that do exactly what he says they do, at a cheaper price than anyone can offer. He's doing that with QBs now, and what a surprise that the people who've spent thousands of dollars already are upset that the same product is now on the market for half the price...The reality is, Jerry probably doesn't give a shit that HLG feels entitled to such a basic design. Its not even patented in the US! What made you guys think China wouldn't take off with it eventually? ESPECIALLY since HLG used to manufacture the damn things IN China.

I know it probably hurts, but they decimated themselves.

 

[ZioFrancolino]

Except their whole marketing strategy is based on a blatant lie, so you actually cannot trust them at all. Jerry @ KingBrite is far more trustworthy than HLG. He makes a whole lot more money than them too, and will continue to do so. With vendors like him, the community is his company's review system. He's made thousands off me alone because I was linked to him by a respected member (and moderator) of another cultivation community, and he produced in fantastic fashion. If he starts acting like your typical Chinese vendor, his business crumbles. He's not in the business of 'being a standard Chinese Alibaba vendor'. His business model is to provide high quality products, that do exactly what he says they do, at a cheaper price than anyone can offer. He's doing that with QBs now, and what a surprise that the people who've spent thousands of dollars already are upset that the same product is now on the market for half the price...The reality is, Jerry probably doesn't give a shit that HLG feels entitled to such a basic design. Its not even patented in the US! What made you guys think China wouldn't take off with it eventually? ESPECIALLY since HLG used to manufacture the damn things IN China.

I know it probably hurts, but they decimated themselves.

Well his QBs are a recent thing, I was talking about other sellers like bava/meiju and West vs Alibaba system of buying/selling in general, I think people are more protected from scams here in the West most of the times.
Anyway I'm happier if there is more competion in this sector.

P.s. never bought from Hlg, I'm from Europe and prices are even higher on todogrowled, comparing euros to dollars.

 

[CCCmints]

Well his QBs are a recent thing, I was talking about other sellers like bava/meiju and West vs Alibaba system of buying/selling in general, I think people are more protected from scams here in the West most of the times.
Anyway I'm happier if there is more competion in this sector.

P.s. never bought from Hlg, I'm from Europe and prices are even higher on todogrowled, comparing euros to dollars.

And when one of these die-hard HLG guys bucks up and purchases one of his boards to run a side-by-side against the 'genuine product' - Its going to be a sad day for everyone in this thread who's spewing random cultist BS.

Like I said, I may even do it myself, but I'd just use the data HLG provides against physically testing Jerry's boards.

 

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[CCCmints]

Definitely a lot more 'bro science' in that video than he seems to think there is. Still worth watching though, thanks for sharing.

 

[Aolelon]

And when one of these die-hard HLG guys bucks up and purchases one of his boards to run a side-by-side against the 'genuine product' - Its going to be a sad day for everyone in this thread who's spewing random cultist BS.

Like I said, I may even do it myself, but I'd just use the data HLG provides against physically testing Jerry's boards.

Where are all these people that are pissed off lol.
What's the lie that HLG is promoting.

 

[CCCmints]

Where are all these people that are pissed off lol.
What's the lie that HLG is promoting.

"1000W HID REPLACEMENTS" - With a link to the HLG-550.

 

[Aolelon]

"1000W HID REPLACEMENTS" - With a link to the HLG-550.

That's one product. Have you done a side by side comparison grow to show that it doesn't?. Where are all the pissed off people though.

 

[CCCmints]

That's one product. Have you done a side by side comparison grow to show that it doesn't?. Where are all the pissed off people though.

Your point? That's the product they link to with the title, '1000W HID REPLACEMENT'. Do you think a side by side comparison grow is the only way to determine the validity of these claims? Is basic science, math, and visual representations using data the company provided themselves worthless? Do you actually think I would waste my time doing a side-by-side grow against a product that is wildly inferior from a scientific perspective? You do the science first, not the grow first.

The pissed off people are inside of this thread, crying about China destroying HLG. You can find that in the recent pages of this thread.

 

[zypheruk]

Im going to give these kingbright quantums a shot at some point. If they do the job that's all I really care about and so should others. Bitching all day is just a waste of space.