Strudelheim
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Well I only have a little bit left, and its pricey, i rather stretch it out....
That's not how pesticides work.i rather stretch it out....
I just tried the organic route to deal with thrips and it literally killed one of my plants and severely threatened many others.
Mixed this to 1/2 Gallon and sprayed maybe 10 plants - they all only have a few leaves left. completely nuked!
Mineral Oil
Neem Oil
Chilli Powder
1 Bulb Garlic (fresh Minced)
1 Gram Tobacco
Cinammon
some dish soap
Thereafter I further diluted it to 1 Gallon, and sprayed the rest and they were fine. I underestimated the power of natural ingredients I guess.
Funny enough Thrips are still to be seen, and the veg room smells like a sasusage factory from the chilli/garlic. Im pretty sure most of the thrip removal is due to the nuked leaves that had to be removed. From my understanding the thrips lay the eggs into the leaves.
Spinosad is on its way! LOL
Predator mites don't really migrate that much, can't fly, and they're tiny. That way you don't have to live in a cloud of ladybugs and lacewings.they will be all over the house.
You mention checking the runoff and measuring your ppm, but did you check the Ph of the runoff also? Do you ph the water you feed them?Hey guys I'm new to rols and have a question, hoping people can help me understand what's going on.
I mixed up a batch with 2 to 3 cups(dont remember which one I went with and can't find any notes on it) of amendment per cu.ft.
Started the plants in ffof, transplanted to 1gal with the super soil, plants showed extreme happiness in that soil, going off of the leaves, then were transplanted in 2 to 3 gal with more of the super soil and put into flower.
A few have showed some slightly burnt tips, most have been a lush green with extreme praying.
Now here about 3 to 4 weeks into flower I'm starting to see some deficiencies, I figured that to be normal.
However I've got a few clones that were thrown into flower a week after rooting so they're smaller plants, used the super soil with them, they seemed to loved it, they're about 5 weeks in now with some progressing deficiencies that I've been trying to correct with no luck, so I decided to check runoff ppm in case of lockout, although these never did show signs of N tox, or dark green leaves, or burnt tips so I figured I'd be getting a real low runoff ppm. They were between 2 and 3 thousand ppms!!
So I decided to check the runoff of several plants, including ones with zero tip burn, the healthiest plants I've ever had, which like I said above they're starting to lose a few lower leaves over deficiencies, I figured they have depleted a lot of their nutes, even my great looking plants are showing into the 3000s! A few plants I gave a shot or two of bud candy and bloom booster but no way that any should have salt build up.
So this brings me to my question.
How are my ppms that high, WITHOUT tip burn or noticable toxicity, WHILE starting to show progressive deficiencies and still looking happy and healthy??
Do I have way too hot of soil or does rols give off high runoff ppm like that?
If my soil was too hot you'd think I'd have burnt tips and unhealthy plants.
So now I dont know if I need to feed more or give heavy plain waterings!?
If anyone can please fill me in on this, my plants look great but things could go south quick because I really have no idea what's going on. I know when growing with liquid nutes you never want your runoff that high.
Disclaimer, some of these plants are also only a week or two into flower and maybe one or two low leaves showing a yellow edge, otherwise happy, but still with 3000 ppm, and those ones have got zero liquid nutes thus far.
Appreciate anyone and everyones help!
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The clones, started showing deficiencies about a week and a half ago. They aren't dropping any leaves but show discoloring. If the soils too hot then why would they have been tickled pink the first 3 weeks? 3000 ppms.
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A couple plants lower deficiencies.
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The same plant pictured above with deficiencies, this is the plant that's kitty corner to the front pot in the above pic, about 2 and a half weeks in I believe.
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I dont get it, ppm's in the thousands. Feed or flush?
I meant to check the ph but forgot. I'll check it on ones I water tomorrow.You mention checking the runoff and measuring your ppm, but did you check the Ph of the runoff also? Do you ph the water you feed them?
That is where I would begin. I would also monitor the ph of the water you are putting in, to see if any fluctuation. I had a ph lockout that showed similar symptoms. Checked my runoff and it was in the middle 7's. I calibrated my pen, which was also off, by almost a full point.Started watering with around 6.1 (true reading now) water and got my runoff back down to low 6's, and the plants bounced right back, drastically improving. I hear/see the same about not having to check for ph with organic soil or whatever, but I don't know. It takes only a minute to check and a cheap ph pen, and I feel much better about things when I use it.I meant to check the ph but forgot. I'll check it on ones I water tomorrow.
Most times I dont have to ph the water, it usually comes out right around 6.2 ish.
I got the soil into the proper ph range before using it.
I've heard many people say that you dont have to ph because the soil buffers it, I dont know if that's true or not. I've just been going off the color coordinated ph test, when it looks like it might be flirting with under 6 I adjust and when it reads light green(which is a ph of 7 on my kit) I adjust.
I'll check the ph runoff with my ph pen though to get an accurate reading.
Yeah my pens a bit wonky, needs to be replaced. It'll get down to the correct reading(comparing to the color tests) but just takes a min or two and I sometimes gotta whip it around it the water a bit.That is where I would begin. I would also monitor the ph of the water you are putting in, to see if any fluctuation. I had a ph lockout that showed similar symptoms. Checked my runoff and it was in the middle 7's. I calibrated my pen, which was also off, by almost a full point.Started watering with around 6.1 (true reading now) water and got my runoff back down to low 6's, and the plants bounced right back, drastically improving. I hear/see the same about not having to check for ph with organic soil or whatever, but I don't know. It takes only a minute to check and a cheap ph pen, and I feel much better about things when I use it.
I don’t pH at all, personally.You mention checking the runoff and measuring your ppm, but did you check the Ph of the runoff also? Do you ph the water you feed them?
I've never checked the ppms of my runoff, so not really sure.@Spondylo Grow
So are you in the opinion that ppms that high is normal for living soil then?
I just have the cheapest one that they sell on amazon. Yellow, very cheap. It needs calibrated, but it comes with the solution to do it.Yeah my pens a bit wonky, needs to be replaced. It'll get down to the correct reading(comparing to the color tests) but just takes a min or two and I sometimes gotta whip it around it the water a bit.
Directions say you should clean the globe part after each use, dont know how I'm suppose to do that when its surrounded by plastic lol
I use a cheap PH pen and it always drifts up.I've never checked the ppms of my runoff, so not really sure.
I just have the cheapest one that they sell on amazon. Yellow, very cheap. It needs calibrated, but it comes with the solution to do it.
Nice. I wish my tap was stable enough to do that, then I could stop pretending like I store my probe correctly.So I check it with tap water before using it and just do the math