Simple organic soil?

Yet To Be Named

Yet To Be Named

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With my first grow I’ve gone down the traditional soil and liquid nutes route. Just seemed easiest at the time but after harvest in a couple of weeks I’m planning a 4 plant grow (not a lot of space) of Lowryder 2 and would like to go organic and do away with the whole nutrient regime.

After extensive research on super soils, hot soils, bat guano, microbes and all manner of other shite (literally) I’m left confused and wondering if whether it’s all worth it after all! That and a lot of the stuff mentioned is fairly specialised. Bat Guano? Either we don’t have bats round here or they drop their load before they visit.

What I’m looking for is a simple 4 or 5 ingredient mix so I can ditch the nutes - dirt, composted manure, perlite, blood and bone - something like that. Maybe with seaweed added when watering.

Has anyone out there has success with a simple mix like that? If so what’s your secret! Quick tell me before I have to run out and scare some crap out of a passing bat.
 
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GreenHighlander

GreenHighlander

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I am happy with how my current simple mix is doing.
Alfalfa meal
Fishbone meal
EWC
Power bloom plus
crushed oyster shells
All Gaia Green products.

Cheers :)
 
kkt3

kkt3

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Yes, fresh ewc are gold. I top dress my indoor plants with about 3/4” of fresh ewc at week 2 and 4 of flower. WOW!!

I do the same with my outdoor plants but I add fresh comfrey to the ewc.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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You can customize your soil amendments for what you have on hand or what is in local supply. You don't have to use bat guano but do need to provide these inputs in your mix however you do it:
Base soil
Compost
NPK inputs
Macronutrient inputs
Mineral inputs
Aeration/drainage/soil conditioners

The idea is a diverse supply of things in small quantities that break down over time eliminating the need for soluble nutrients. There are alternatives to almost every input and you don't have to add everything all at once. Keep it simple.
You can get away with adding pretty much nothing extra if you are using a decent bagged soil mix to start out with and plan to give a soluble organic fertilizer like Neptunes harvest and maybe even compost teas. Compost is like the most important thing and worm castings are the best form; having a worm bin makes this a snap. Many times fresh EWC is all I need to add. Learn about recycling your soil and aquire what you need slowly over time.
You can even get away with simply pushing a Jobes organic spike into your final size bloom containers. They are made of potash, blood, and bone meal. Kelp is a nice amendment as it contains probiotics galore and can be added to teas. I would not do without it. You'll need to properly lime your soil at recycling so d-lime is essential; garden gypsum is another one I would not go without as the fungus thrives on it. Oyster shell flour helps buffer ph for better nutrient absorbtion. I use composted chicken manure (Charlie's brand) but there are many other choices. Fish bone meal is great source of phosphorus. Neem seed meal is good for deterring pests and is an NPK input as well. Granular mycorrhizae kicks ass too; gotta get some. Obviously perlite and coco help condition soil; I add more at every recycle.
 
rollangrow

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This is what a very good grower here uses very simple. Epsoma garden tone and happy frog bulb food along with teas. @ganga gurl420 could give you more info on it..

Or you can go a little more complicated, this is my mix.This amount was a little pricey at about $200
10 cuft compost
10 cuft pro mix bx
10 cuft rice hulls

NUTES - 5 pounds = 15 cups
1/2 cup to 1 cu ft
kelp meal, alfalfa meal, neem meal, fish bone meal, crab meal, gypsum, azomite,
 
Yet To Be Named

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rollangrow said:
This is what a very good grower here uses very simple. Epsoma garden tone and happy frog bulb food along with teas. @ganga gurl420 could give you more info on it..

Or you can go a little more complicated, this is my mix.This amount was a little pricey at about $200
10 cuft compost
10 cuft pro mix bx
10 cuft rice hulls

NUTES - 5 pounds = 15 cups
1/2 cup to 1 cu ft
kelp meal, alfalfa meal, neem meal, fish bone meal, crab meal, gypsum, azomite,
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Thanks mate! So does this basically take your plants through to harvest? Or do you supplement them along the way?
 
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ganga gurl420

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rollangrow said:
This is what a very good grower here uses very simple. Epsoma garden tone and happy frog bulb food along with teas. @ganga gurl420 could give you more info on it..
thanks buddy :)

Or you can go a little more complicated, this is my mix.This amount was a little pricey at about $200
10 cuft compost
10 cuft pro mix bx
10 cuft rice hulls

NUTES - 5 pounds = 15 cups
1/2 cup to 1 cu ft
kelp meal, alfalfa meal, neem meal, fish bone meal, crab meal, gypsum, azomite,
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GuerillaGOAT

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Richard Drysift said:
You can customize your soil amendments for what you have on hand or what is in local supply. You don't have to use bat guano but do need to provide these inputs in your mix however you do it:
Base soil
Compost
NPK inputs
Macronutrient inputs
Mineral inputs
Aeration/drainage/soil conditioners

The idea is a diverse supply of things in small quantities that break down over time eliminating the need for soluble nutrients. There are alternatives to almost every input and you don't have to add everything all at once. Keep it simple.
You can get away with adding pretty much nothing extra if you are using a decent bagged soil mix to start out with and plan to give a soluble organic fertilizer like Neptunes harvest and maybe even compost teas. Compost is like the most important thing and worm castings are the best form; having a worm bin makes this a snap. Many times fresh EWC is all I need to add. Learn about recycling your soil and aquire what you need slowly over time.
You can even get away with simply pushing a Jobes organic spike into your final size bloom containers. They are made of potash, blood, and bone meal. Kelp is a nice amendment as it contains probiotics galore and can be added to teas. I would not do without it. You'll need to properly lime your soil at recycling so d-lime is essential; garden gypsum is another one I would not go without as the fungus thrives on it. Oyster shell flour helps buffer ph for better nutrient absorbtion. I use composted chicken manure (Charlie's brand) but there are many other choices. Fish bone meal is great source of phosphorus. Neem seed meal is good for deterring pests and is an NPK input as well. Granular mycorrhizae kicks ass too; gotta get some. Obviously perlite and coco help condition soil; I add more at every recycle.
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I’m looking for the same thing I’m a first time grower guerrilla style so I can haul all these exotic soil ingredients. I intend to use native soil what I do have is a shit tone of eggshells and used coffee grounds. I hike with a backpack and fishing rod I’m looking to do 3 plots of 10 plants. What can I do to have some what amended soil while not hauling 1000lbs of additives just trying to keep it simple?
 
ganga gurl420

ganga gurl420

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GuerillaGOAT said:
I’m looking for the same thing I’m a first time grower guerrilla style so I can haul all these exotic soil ingredients. I intend to use native soil what I do have is a shit tone of eggshells and used coffee grounds. I hike with a backpack and fishing rod I’m looking to do 3 plots of 10 plants. What can I do to have some what amended soil while not hauling 1000lbs of additives just trying to keep it simple?
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Loosen up the soil and use food spikes if you don't want to carry a lot of weight.

Growing is hard work...The more you put into it the more you get out.
 
GuerillaGOAT

GuerillaGOAT

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GuerillaGOAT

GuerillaGOAT

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ganga gurl420 said:
Loosen up the soil and use food spikes if you don't want to carry a lot of weight.

Growing is hard work...The more you put into it the more you get out.
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Thanks you think eggshells and coffee grounds would be enough!? Lol just trying to figure how I can make these long hikes and care for my plots
 
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Wetdog

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kkt3 said:
Yes, fresh ewc are gold. I top dress my indoor plants with about 3/4” of fresh ewc at week 2 and 4 of flower. WOW!!

I do the same with my outdoor plants but I add fresh comfrey to the ewc.
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Try freezing the comfrey for a bit and then, feed it to the worms. I don't even bother defrosting the leaves and it doesn't bother the worms.

Wet
 
ganga gurl420

ganga gurl420

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GuerillaGOAT said:
Thanks you think eggshells and coffee grounds would be enough!? Lol just trying to figure how I can make these long hikes and care for my plots
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First thing you should do is take a soil test. They are relatively cheap.
No one can really say what you should or should not add when you are talking about native soil without knowing what it does or does not have.
But I can say that if your soil is depleted. ..coffee and egg shells will not get you through.
 
GuerillaGOAT

GuerillaGOAT

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ganga gurl420 said:
First thing you should do is take a soil test. They are relatively cheap.
No one can really say what you should or should not add when you are talking about native soil without knowing what it does or does not have.
But I can say that if your soil is depleted. ..coffee and egg shells will not get you through.
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Ok that will be the first thing I’ll do is take the test. Would you mind if I used your recipe :oops: I believe I can come up with a transport plan. Think I’m just going to do it right vs half ass. I know you said Epsoma garden tone and happy frog bulb food along with teas but not sure on amounts and what’s kind of teas. I plan on 3-4 plots of 10 plants so 40 plants with 3x3x2.5 holes...? Thanks for the help
 
ganga gurl420

ganga gurl420

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GuerillaGOAT said:
Ok that will be the first thing I’ll do is take the test. Would you mind if I used your recipe :oops: I believe I can come up with a transport plan. Think I’m just going to do it right vs half ass. I know you said Epsoma garden tone and happy frog bulb food along with teas but not sure on amounts and what’s kind of teas. I plan on 3-4 plots of 10 plants so 40 plants with 3x3x2.5 holes...? Thanks for the help
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No problem...and be my guest lol
 
GuerillaGOAT

GuerillaGOAT

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ganga gurl420 said:
No problem...and be my guest lol
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40 plants will one bag of each work and tea as in tea bags you broil!? The actual juice from it?

Epsoma garden tone- 36lb 3-4-4?
happy frog bulb food-the 4lb bag3-8-8?
teas- what kind of tea?

Lol think it’s the mixing ratios I’m confused on and the tea type.
 
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