My leaves are talking but i can’t hear. Help plz.

SwiSHa85

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Any little tray that can hold alittle water is fine. I use cake pans on my smaller pots and planter trays on my bigger ones. Let it runoff, pick up the pot and dump the tray. I use a mini wet vac to suck out my runoff because my plants are so packed in like sog that ill break branches moving them around. 2 plants should be easy to move around and dump the excess water out.
 

CK?1

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Totally thanks. I water and have been making sure I only dose enough to not have the water drain out the bottom. I’ll action your suggestions ASAP and check those feeding figures vs my run off. So your plants are on a stand of sorts with a try underneath cause I just have them on the floor the tent came with a fitted tray
Hi SwiSh.
Please check these pics out. Flushed today ppm after was 50. My feed ppm is 470 with week 5 dosing.
Your thoughts are appropriate mate, also please comment Tim. PPM runoff is 130 on both girls
 

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SwiSHa85

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Hi SwiSh.
Please check these pics out. Flushed today ppm after was 50. My feed ppm is 470 with week 5 dosing.
Your thoughts are appropriate mate, also please comment Tim. PPM runoff is 130 on both girls
They look fine, most of the damage looks older and the new growth looks good. From now on dont flush, just make sure you have some run off. You dont have to check your runoff ppm everytime. Once a week is plenty. Not sure what your water is like but they like mg. I'd say 2.5ml a gal of cal-mag every feed if your using GH calimagic. That's the tiger strip look on older leaves. Just keep doing what your doing.
 

CK?1

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They look fine, most of the damage looks older and the new growth looks good. From now on dont flush, just make sure you have some run off. You dont have to check your runoff ppm everytime. Once a week is plenty. Not sure what your water is like but they like mg. I'd say 2.5ml a gal of cal-mag every feed if your using GH calimagic. That's the tiger strip look on older leaves. Just keep doing what your doing.
Such good news to hear. My girls are strutting their stuff and a pat on the back for me. Just gotta keep my head from spinning out and let logic prevail. SwiSh, your a top man, thanks for the quick reply. I let them drain nicely after the flush and then I used feed after the flush and ppm were down. They have stopped the run off now. I’m adding cal mag as well to my feed.

Again cheers and thanks.
 

Tim1987

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Hi SwiSh.
Please check these pics out. Flushed today ppm after was 50. My feed ppm is 470 with week 5 dosing.
Your thoughts are appropriate mate, also please comment Tim. PPM runoff is 130 on both girls
Looking better dude.
Keep a keen eye on them though.
Don't be surprised at all if you need a little less.
If they don't keep lushing up more. Or tomorrow aren't looking better. You'll know what it is
Always feed according to your waste as well. Never worry about what going in. Always worry about what's coming out in the waste.
Ph and ppm.
Just make sure you ph your feed properly between 5.8 - 6.5.
Realise that every single time you feed, the coir releases cations into your pot.
Study that article I posted. Because you'll notice calmag and potassium is already in coir, in extremely large amounts.
Use the coir to your advantage. Use it as a buffer.
I wouldn't use that calmag more than once or twice.
Potassium levels leaching from coir is extremely high. Potassium locks out calmag, and itself, and makes your waste ph plummet.
Coir is an extremely good drain to waste medium. Because it holds a lot of moisture, has heaps of aeration and drainage, is self buffering, and is inert when saturated enough.
Run it with the same philosophy as any drain to waste garden.
Keep on top of your waste. Because whatever your waste is reading, is what your roots are sitting in. (think about it)
Don't worry about the ppm of your feed dude. Worry about the ppm of your waste.

Imo your plants are looking much, much better. But i have to say what I see, and it still looks salty to me.
They lushed right up, and they will lush up more almost overnight. Cut that ppm back dude. Try 300. (If you fed at 450, your waste should be very close to 450. Not 150. Still not enough runoff.)
Look at the improvement from one flush.
EVERY SINGLE feed or watering, I flush 15 - 30% waste out the pot. Without fail.
Then I read the waste. Period.
Don't be lazy.

Plants are looking much better dude.
But 450ppm still sounds, and looks like a lot to me.
If the plants aren't eating that nutrient then it just sits there, and builds up in your pot. PLUS the natural buffers in the coir.
You have to realize coir is continuously composting and releasing it's own salt content, on top of what you're putting in.

Also if your feed is going in almost clear, and coming out brown, that's a no no. That's buildup.
That brown becomes as clear as your feed.

Keep checking that waste OP.
I'd drop that ppm too.
I'd also leave calmag out for now.
(my tap water is less than 100ppm, and I never, ever, ever use calmag)
It's the truth. Calmag made me chase my tail many, many times. The stuff is a big gimmick.
Check your nutrient bottle. It'll have around 3% calcium and 1% magnesium.
Which is fine. My 2-0-0 calmag bottle contains the same amount.
Realize that unless you are actually deficient in nitrogen, calcium, magnesium and iron. Then calmag is a big gimmick.
Realize that calmag just makes your RO water, hard water.

Good luck OP.
Plants are looking much better.
But still some adjustments needed.
Keep up the good work.

:peace:

P.S.
Study that Canna article.
 
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CK?1

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Shot Tim!

Reading up again now on the link, I’ve got a few questions. But I just want to read over the article one last time before asking. Just gets more and more interesting, this growing thing. I’d like to try grow other plants, veggies and fruits. In time.

Guys would it be advisable or can I switch my lights from 24/0 to 20/4 at this stage without cause damage. I’ve read up about the light matter in debt and fall on the belief they should have some down time.
What yah think?

Back to coco....
 

CK?1

Active Member
Looking better dude.
Keep a keen eye on them though.
Don't be surprised at all if you need a little less.
If they don't keep lushing up more. Or tomorrow aren't looking better. You'll know what it is
Always feed according to your waste as well. Never worry about what going in. Always worry about what's coming out in the waste.
Ph and ppm.
Just make sure you ph your feed properly between 5.8 - 6.5.
Realise that every single time you feed, the coir releases cations into your pot.
Study that article I posted. Because you'll notice calmag and potassium is already in coir, in extremely large amounts.
Use the coir to your advantage. Use it as a buffer.
I wouldn't use that calmag more than once or twice.
Potassium levels leaching from coir is extremely high. Potassium locks out calmag, and itself, and makes your waste ph plummet.
Coir is an extremely good drain to waste medium. Because it holds a lot of moisture, has heaps of aeration and drainage, is self buffering, and is inert when saturated enough.
Run it with the same philosophy as any drain to waste garden.
Keep on top of your waste. Because whatever your waste is reading, is what your roots are sitting in. (think about it)
Don't worry about the ppm of your feed dude. Worry about the ppm of your waste.

Imo your plants are looking much, much better. But i have to say what I see, and it still looks salty to me.
They lushed right up, and they will lush up more almost overnight. Cut that ppm back dude. Try 300. (If you fed at 450, your waste should be very close to 450. Not 150. Still not enough runoff.)
Look at the improvement from one flush.
EVERY SINGLE feed or watering, I flush 15 - 30% waste out the pot. Without fail.
Then I read the waste. Period.
Don't be lazy.

Plants are looking much better dude.
But 450ppm still sounds, and looks like a lot to me.
If the plants aren't eating that nutrient then it just sits there, and builds up in your pot. PLUS the natural buffers in the coir.
You have to realize coir is continuously composting and releasing it's own salt content, on top of what you're putting in.

Also if your feed is going in almost clear, and coming out brown, that's a no no. That's buildup.
That brown becomes as clear as your feed.

Keep checking that waste OP.
I'd drop that ppm too.
I'd also leave calmag out for now.
(my tap water is less than 100ppm, and I never, ever, ever use calmag)
It's the truth. Calmag made me chase my tail many, many times. The stuff is a big gimmick.
Check your nutrient bottle. It'll have around 3% calcium and 1% magnesium.
Which is fine. My 2-0-0 calmag bottle contains the same amount.
Realize that unless you are actually deficient in nitrogen, calcium, magnesium and iron. Then calmag is a big gimmick.
Realize that calmag just makes your RO water, hard water.

Good luck OP.
Plants are looking much better.
But still some adjustments needed.
Keep up the good work.

:peace:

P.S.
Study that Canna article.
Sorry if I’m asking the same questions, but the read of the article raised more questions I’m afraid.

So I’m using coco and perlite 50/50 just mentioning if it matter.

I clearly have potassium build up in the plant tissue express as margin burning on the leaf surface, mostly at the tip. How do I fix that. I’m sure you’ve covered that all ready and I thought the flushing was the answer. But the article sorta state different.
the perfect growing conditions. When the medium is not taken into account, the results can be disastrous. Even when fed correctly, and the correct ‘buffer’ of nutrient ratio sets up, just ONE watering with plain water will wreak the buffer sending the plant and medium into shock, rapidly escalating the potassium level.

And my coco should already be at the optimum or perfect deccompsed stage for growing I should still be releasing that much salt EC into my root zone?

I don’t know if you’ll get to all the questions so let me ask this rather please.
Considering my grow and it’s details. Do you have a schedule I can look over as a guide. I have a feeding one from SwiSh and now I’m concerned about the nut affecting my coco buffing. Thanks a mill and loved the article shot.
 

Tim1987

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Sorry if I’m asking the same questions, but the read of the article raised more questions I’m afraid.

So I’m using coco and perlite 50/50 just mentioning if it matter.

I clearly have potassium build up in the plant tissue express as margin burning on the leaf surface, mostly at the tip. How do I fix that. I’m sure you’ve covered that all ready and I thought the flushing was the answer. But the article sorta state different.
the perfect growing conditions. When the medium is not taken into account, the results can be disastrous. Even when fed correctly, and the correct ‘buffer’ of nutrient ratio sets up, just ONE watering with plain water will wreak the buffer sending the plant and medium into shock, rapidly escalating the potassium level.

And my coco should already be at the optimum or perfect deccompsed stage for growing I should still be releasing that much salt EC into my root zone?

I don’t know if you’ll get to all the questions so let me ask this rather please.
Considering my grow and it’s details. Do you have a schedule I can look over as a guide. I have a feeding one from SwiSh and now I’m concerned about the nut affecting my coco buffing. Thanks a mill and loved the article shot.
No problem dude.

It's your waste. It's all it is. Make sure when you feed, that your waste reads the same as what you're feeding.
If it doesn't. Flush it more until it does.
It is best to use a small amount of nutrient every feeding. Otherwise you do get imbalances.
The only time, I personally use plain water with coir. Is in the final week or two before harvest, and when I just want to "top off" a little if my feed was too strong.
But everytime you water there must be some nutrient. 200ppm or so of your ab is fine, if you just want to water.

Just make sure what's coming out, reads the same as what's going in.
If it doesn't.
Flush more until it does.

It's balance you want. I think 300ppm of your ab will be fine for now.
So if you feed at 300ppm, and ph6.1. Make sure after you do, that you waste reads 300ppm and ph6.1.

As far as a feeding schedule. Once a day should be fine. Twice once the plants are bigger. You may be more because you added perlite.
You should be able to get your waste the same as your feed fairly quickly with all that perlite.
So as far as your nutrient schedule, I personally don't use one.
If mine are happy with the waste reading 300ppm, then I keep on feeding 300ppm, and make sure the waste reads the same.
Then once they start getting hungry at 300, I up my feed to 400 or so.

"Drain - to - Waste"
It says it in the name.
Read that waste.
Drain that salt to the waste.

:peace:

P.S.
What the article is saying, is to use the "peat grade" of coir.
Because it's had time to compost and release most of its salt content.
It looks like peat moss.
 

CK?1

Active Member
No problem dude.

It's your waste. It's all it is. Make sure when you feed, that your waste reads the same as what you're feeding.
If it doesn't. Flush it more until it does.
It is best to use a small amount of nutrient every feeding. Otherwise you do get imbalances.
The only time, I personally use plain water with coir. Is in the final week or two before harvest, and when I just want to "top off" a little if my feed was too strong.
But everytime you water there must be some nutrient. 200ppm or so of your ab is fine, if you just want to water.

Just make sure what's coming out, reads the same as what's going in.
If it doesn't.
Flush more until it does.

It's balance you want. I think 300ppm of your ab will be fine for now.
So if you feed at 300ppm, and ph6.1. Make sure after you do, that you waste reads 300ppm and ph6.1.

As far as a feeding schedule. Once a day should be fine. Twice once the plants are bigger. You may be more because you added perlite.
You should be able to get your waste the same as your feed fairly quickly with all that perlite.
So as far as your nutrient schedule, I personally don't use one.
If mine are happy with the waste reading 300ppm, then I keep on feeding 300ppm, and make sure the waste reads the same.
Then once they start getting hungry at 300, I up my feed to 400 or so.

"Drain - to - Waste"
It says it in the name.
Read that waste.
Drain that salt to the waste.

:peace:

P.S.
What the article is saying, is to use the "peat grade" of coir.
Because it's had time to compost and release most of its salt content.
It looks like peat moss.
Cheers.
Helps a lot. Wish I could chill with you guys have a smoke and chat for hours.
Can I change that light schedule at this stage from 24/0 - 20/4?
 

CK?1

Active Member
Cheers.
Helps a lot. Wish I could chill with you guys have a smoke and chat for hours.
Can I change that light schedule at this stage from 24/0 - 20/4?
I’m learning so much from this grow and from the forum and you two chaps are just tops!
Loving this.

PS Tim, the ladies are stretching out up to me somting proper! Just those tips are still brown. Can’t see more forming for now.

I’ll keeping with SwiSh dosing, his schedule is close enough in conjunction with your reading of waste
 
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Tim1987

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Cheers.
Helps a lot. Wish I could chill with you guys have a smoke and chat for hours.
Can I change that light schedule at this stage from 24/0 - 20/4?
Sweet bro. I'd chill and smoke a bowl with you too.
bongsmilie
Yeah 20/4 should be fine.
Even 18/6 shouldn't adversely effect them. But maybe drop it down to 20/4 first, just to be safe.
I personally just start seeds, and seedlings at 18/6 from day one.
But plenty of people like your light schedule too.
Really up to you.

:peace:
 

Tim1987

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I’m learning so much from this grow and from the forum and you two chaps are just tops!
Loving this.

PS Tim, the ladies are stretching out up to me somting proper! Just those tips are still brown. Can’t see more forming for now.
That's great!
Those burnt tips are likely irreparable.
It's all good. Sounds like they're healthy now.
Good news.
Sounds like they're praying now.
 

CK?1

Active Member
That's great!
Those burnt tips are likely irreparable.
It's all good. Sounds like they're healthy now.
Good news.
Sounds like they're praying now.
Thanking and loving me with praise I hope. The tips are I can get over just don’t want anymore and you recon it’s going to effect in them buds in the long run?
 

CK?1

Active Member
Sorry dudes, last one for tonight. Promise!
Can I pre mix my water with my GHE feed and keep for like two days. I have noticed the ppm go up. I still have left I’ve never used two day old feed? Can I?
 

Tim1987

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Sorry dudes, last one for tonight. Promise!
Can I pre mix my water with my GHE feed and keep for like two days. I have noticed the ppm go up. I still have left I’ve never used two day old feed? Can I?
Sounds like you might want to mix it a day or two in advance, without any ph down.
Then check and adjust the ph. Then check again the following morning.
I havnt used it before, but have read GHE has a few problems like that.
Id make sure the ph is stable, before adding. Because whatever its doing when mixed, itll probably to the same in your coir if you add it right away.

Mix nutrient together. No ph down.
Let it sit a day or so. Check it.
Adjust ph. Leave it again.
Check it again.

Just so you get an idea of what its doing. I havnt used your brand before.
Swish could probably steer you in the right direction here.

Happy growing dude.
Welcome to the Coco Club :P

:peace:
 
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CK?1

Active Member
Sounds like you might want to mix it a day or two in advance, without any ph down.
Then check and adjust the ph. Then check again the following morning.
I havnt used it before, but have read GHE has a few problems like that.
Id make sure the ph is stable, before adding. Because whatever its doing when mixed, itll probably to the same in your coir if you add it right away.

Mix nutrient together. No ph down.
Let it sit a day or so. Check it.
Adjust ph. Leave it again.
Check it again.

Just so you get an idea of what its doing. I havnt used your brand before.
Swish could probably steer you in the right direction here.

Happy growing dude.
Welcome to the Coco Club
No problem dude.

It's your waste. It's all it is. Make sure when you feed, that your waste reads the same as what you're feeding.
If it doesn't. Flush it more until it does.
It is best to use a small amount of nutrient every feeding. Otherwise you do get imbalances.
The only time, I personally use plain water with coir. Is in the final week or two before harvest, and when I just want to "top off" a little if my feed was too strong.
But everytime you water there must be some nutrient. 200ppm or so of your ab is fine, if you just want to water.

Just make sure what's coming out, reads the same as what's going in.
If it doesn't.
Flush more until it does.

It's balance you want. I think 300ppm of your ab will be fine for now.
So if you feed at 300ppm, and ph6.1. Make sure after you do, that you waste reads 300ppm and ph6.1.

As far as a feeding schedule. Once a day should be fine. Twice once the plants are bigger. You may be more because you added perlite.
You should be able to get your waste the same as your feed fairly quickly with all that perlite.
So as far as your nutrient schedule, I personally don't use one.
If mine are happy with the waste reading 300ppm, then I keep on feeding 300ppm, and make sure the waste reads the same.
Then once they start getting hungry at 300, I up my feed to 400 or so.

"Drain - to - Waste"
It says it in the name.
Read that waste.
Drain that salt to the waste.

:peace:

P.S.
What the article is saying, is to use the "peat grade" of coir.
Because it's had time to compost and release most of its salt content.
It looks like peat moss.
Yup PH

yup ph is hold 6.1 mixed Friday night, I’ll check again before I feed Sunday evening again and that afternoon
Oh and one other problem. I’ve taken your notes on make sure what goes in is the same that comes out. What if now my ppm are at like 3000 after the second day. Is that cool to put in, you said not to worry to much about what’s going in but should I want that 3000 on my waste them too. Isnt that to high of a ppm? Sorry if I’m irritating you now.
 

Tim1987

Well-Known Member
Oh and one other problem. I’ve taken your notes on make sure what goes in is the same that comes out. What if now my ppm are at like 3000 after the second day. Is that cool to put in, you said not to worry to much about what’s going in but should I want that 3000 on my waste them too. Isnt that to high of a ppm? Sorry if I’m irritating you now.
NO!!!
What the hell is reading 3000ppm?????????
Thats phuken HUGE.

1000ppm would be for 6foot plants.......
I personally never go above 1000ppm.

Is your waste reading 3000ppm???
 
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