Kona Gold: The Blood. Rare Hawaiian strain

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waterproof808

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The FB site had very few pics also....I work hard for my cash, I cannot just shell out 10$ a seed for junk I cannot see pics of. Also BOEL had much to do with Maui Wowie in my eyes.
Yeah, you really should think twice about giving your money to anyone operating an illegal online business that is stupid enough to not hide all their personal information on their website registry. His info is all there address, telephone number, etc. it’s even registered to a university of hawaii email account.
Like I said before, My very good friend on oahu knows this clown and says he is a strange dude.
 

TimBar

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Lol. I’m starting to think this puamana guy has a mental disorder.

And to the haole that called me a haole because I wouldn’t show proof puamana is a fraud, is this proof enough for you?
Yikes and he says his home was toasted by Lava too...are we sure this not Trump?...so sad because do you know how much work goes into just getting one strain stable the way you want it? He gives a bad name to all breeders.
 

rikdabrick

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Thanks @rikdabrick .
Appreciate your nice words.
But I just have an eye for spotting Hawaiian genetics!
When I was growing some seeds bank strains I could tell if they were Hawaiian or some bogus imitations.
So far, Hawaiian sativafrom Federation seeds was legit, and Hawaiian Gold from snow high seeds.
When all you did when you was a kid, was love Hawaiian strains and that's what I bred. So many Hawaiian strains, I have a hard time recalling them all.
So you don't have to believe me, but that'smy gift.
And the kona gold and Maui Wowie are Hawaiian strains, sativa dominant.
Now your friend found some decent plants in his pack, so maybe if he searched could have found a serious keeper.
So that's all i'm saying. Just like the guys selling roadkill skunk, they are claiming it's in there, but might take several packs to find the one.
You're not old enough to have smoked the classic stuff from the 60's and early to mid-70's. That's the era that put Hawaii on the map for the best weed in the world at the time. And you were growing and breeding Hawaiian strains in Philly as a kid in the 80's?

You don't have to believe me either, but OH on icmag, who is a personal friend of mine, grew out sometimes thousands of plants per year during the 60's and 70's. So literally 10's of 1,000's of plants. If there was an actual strain called Maui Wowie he would know. It was just genetics from other tropical locations grown well on Maui. OH told me that years ago, but it was just reconfirmed on his thread on icamg by some other old-school guys on there too. There were some actual strains like Molokai Frost and I'm pretty sure Kauai Electric was actually a bred strain too, but several of the other ones like Kona Gold were named after the area, not the genetics.

If you read through this thread you'll see Pua Mana is a psychotic nut job. You can give your money to him if you want. I'll stick to actual breeders preferably ones who can virtually guarantee a keeper in every pack like Bodhi, Karma, Connoisseur, Greenpoint Seeds, etc. And if I wanted to go old-school I'd go with Ace Seeds and Cannabiogen. Both of those guys are excellent breeders and will give you the same genetics the old-school Hawaiian stuff was. All of the old-school Hawaiian stuff was just genetics brought back from Central and South America, Asia and Africa by veterans and surfers.

Hawaiians and locals bred, one of the things, was for speed!
They wanted it finished as soon as possible, while still getting a good yield. So those pure landraces were always selected for the fastest flowering phenos. After many selections and generations acclimating to Hawaii's shorter seasons, those long flowering strains were worked down to fast flowering strains. Some were hybridized with hash plants. Hawai'i has some chronic indica's as well. Lots of hash plants do well out here.
90 day wonder was the direction of a lot of breeders. Some even claim 60 day wonders. That's from seed sprout till harvest. And no auto flower schwag!
You're talking after 60's and 70's. Quick and shorter plants were bred after operation Green Harvest started. The old-school stuff was pure sativa strains because they could handle the rain, but they took a long time to flower and some grew over 20 ft. tall which is a really bad combo when helicopters are looking for crops. A lot of stuff had to change after GH started flying. For example, growing in the middle of a gorse patch was common before GH; after GH started it was just a big bull's eye so no more gorse patches after that.

Hash plants weren't bred into local strains until the 80's and 90's. Afghanis were bred in a little before that. And 90 day wonders were just quicker varieties grown from seed during short season. Green Harvest doesn't fly for 3 months during the year so 90 day wonders could give you a crop from seed during that time.
 

rikdabrick

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Yikes and he says his home was toasted by Lava too...are we sure this not Trump?...so sad because do you know how much work goes into just getting one strain stable the way you want it? He gives a bad name to all breeders.
I believe Kona Gold is legit, except maybe growing and breeding classic Hawaiian varieties in Philly in the 80's as a kid. I'm sure he's on the BI and really did lose his house to lava. I'm sure no offense is meant by you and this thread became one big conspiracy theory with all the different personalties of Pua Mana. Don't take offense @kona gold , this thread got real weird multiple times and it can be hard to tell who is who.
 

rikdabrick

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If anybody wants the amazing old-school stuff just buy seeds from Ace or Cannabiogen or any other reliable breeder with old-school genetics and grow them in Hawaii. Done. It's as easy as that.

The reason for the classic stuff being so well remembered was because they were tropical varieties grown well in Hawaii. Tropical varieties can have amazing effects and Hawaii just happens to have an amazing year-round climate for growing. We have intense tropical sun and the year-round temps are what indoor guys strive for.

The climate sets us apart pretty well especially for tropical varieties. Good sun, good temps, good humidity produces good weed. DJ Short said he could never get strains to turn out as good as they turned out when grown in Hawaii. Though I think he got pretty close simulating our climate indoors. So it's more climate than genetics, just FYI, though tropical varieties from different parts of the world can give you some very varied and amazing effects. Tropical varieties are highly under-rated, but they aren't good for commercial production generally speaking so we don't get to see them that much anymore.
 

kona gold

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You're not old enough to have smoked the classic stuff from the 60's and early to mid-70's. That's the era that put Hawaii on the map for the best weed in the world at the time. And you were growing and breeding Hawaiian strains in Philly as a kid in the 80's?

You don't have to believe me either, but OH on icmag, who is a personal friend of mine, grew out sometimes thousands of plants per year during the 60's and 70's. So literally 10's of 1,000's of plants. If there was an actual strain called Maui Wowie he would know. It was just genetics from other tropical locations grown well on Maui. OH told me that years ago, but it was just reconfirmed on his thread on icamg by some other old-school guys on there too. There were some actual strains like Molokai Frost and I'm pretty sure Kauai Electric was actually a bred strain too, but several of the other ones like Kona Gold were named after the area, not the genetics.

If you read through this thread you'll see Pua Mana is a psychotic nut job. You can give your money to him if you want. I'll stick to actual breeders preferably ones who can virtually guarantee a keeper in every pack like Bodhi, Karma, Connoisseur, Greenpoint Seeds, etc. And if I wanted to go old-school I'd go with Ace Seeds and Cannabiogen. Both of those guys are excellent breeders and will give you the same genetics the old-school Hawaiian stuff was. All of the old-school Hawaiian stuff was just genetics brought back from Central and South America, Asia and Africa by veterans and surfers.



You're talking after 60's and 70's. Quick and shorter plants were bred after operation Green Harvest started. The old-school stuff was pure sativa strains because they could handle the rain, but they took a long time to flower and some grew over 20 ft. tall which is a really bad combo when helicopters are looking for crops. A lot of stuff had to change after GH started flying. For example, growing in the middle of a gorse patch was common before GH; after GH started it was just a big bull's eye so no more gorse patches after that.

Hash plants weren't bred into local strains until the 80's and 90's. Afghanis were bred in a little before that. And 90 day wonders were just quicker varieties grown from seed during short season. Green Harvest doesn't fly for 3 months during the year so 90 day wonders could give you a crop from seed during that time.
I consider 22 a kid nowadays, since that is 28 years ago.
Ace I have grown out a bunch of their stuff in hopes of some great landraces, and most was crap.
I cannot attest to strains from the 60's or 70's as you probably cannot either. So someone's stories are nice to hear from someone back then, but unless you experienced them.
 

kona gold

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Lol. I’m starting to think this puamana guy has a mental disorder.

And to the haole that called me a haole because I wouldn’t show proof puamana is a fraud, is this proof enough for you?
I called you a haole because you are being a disrespectful guy who thinks they know what someone else can do or not.
Just because you can't detect genetics doesn't mean someone else can't.
Secondly, the only reports on this seed bank are favorable. No negative reports.
Even my limited experience was very good.
The seeds came extremely fast and from Kaua'i, not Oregon or O'ahu.
So unless you have grown them and had a bad experience, your angry hate filled drama doesn't mean shit to me!
 

rikdabrick

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I consider 22 a kid nowadays, since that is 28 years ago.
Ace I have grown out a bunch of their stuff in hopes of some great landraces, and most was crap.
I cannot attest to strains from the 60's or 70's as you probably cannot either. So someone's stories are nice to hear from someone back then, but unless you experienced them.
You had bad results from Ace? I grew out some of their stuff and it was good. Not for commercial reasons, but they produced what I was expecting. I don't think any of their stuff is going to give you weed that most anyone would consider "dank" nowadays. It's what I would consider for connoisseurs or people just curious to try pure tropical varieties. The effects were good which is what I was looking for. I don't think I've ever grown a tropical variety that would pass for "dank" nowadays, but some people appreciated them and some of them were ridiculously potent, but they produce really loose flowers and don't have the aromas most people are looking for.
 

kona gold

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If anybody wants the amazing old-school stuff just buy seeds from Ace or Cannabiogen or any other reliable breeder with old-school genetics and grow them in Hawaii. Done. It's as easy as that.

The reason for the classic stuff being so well remembered was because they were tropical varieties grown well in Hawaii. Tropical varieties can have amazing effects and Hawaii just happens to have an amazing year-round climate for growing. We have intense tropical sun and the year-round temps are what indoor guys strive for.

The climate sets us apart pretty well especially for tropical varieties. Good sun, good temps, good humidity produces good weed. DJ Short said he could never get strains to turn out as good as they turned out when grown in Hawaii. Though I think he got pretty close simulating our climate indoors. So it's more climate than genetics, just FYI, though tropical varieties from different parts of the world can give you some very varied and amazing effects. Tropical varieties are highly under-rated, but they aren't good for commercial production generally speaking so we don't get to see them that much anymore.
I few out their Old timer haze, green haze x Thai, and golden tiger.
All were junk, and not even worth it!!!
Talk about having to search for phenos?
I thought you didn't like to pheno hunt, and you wanted a keeper in each pack?
 

rikdabrick

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I few out their Old timer haze, green haze x Thai, and golden tiger.
All were junk, and not even worth it!!!
Talk about having to search for phenos?
I thought you didn't like to pheno hunt, and you wanted a keeper in each pack?
I don't remember saying I don't like to pheno hunt. I pheno hunt all the time. I don't like it that much, but it's a necessary evil, ha ha! The other breeders I mentioned aren't bad to pheno hunt through their packs though, because even the plants that aren't keepers are good, just not exceptional.

I wonder why you got bad results with Ace's stuff. Anyway, no matter. There's others out there you can find if you're looking for old-school flavors.
 
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TimBar

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Cheese and Rice, after 50 years i finally figured out who Santa Claus is, it may take me another 50 to keep track of these posters...yikes, what have I done?
 

waterproof808

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Anyone can make seed, market it as hawaiian with long-winded fairytales about their origins, and sell them to gullible folks on the mainland that are just happy enough to see any sort of cannabis plant grow out of a pack that was labelled hawaiian. That doesn't make the genetics legit, thats called cultural appropriation...and its a good way to get your ass kicked by the folks I grew up with.

If you still support Puamana after all the buffoonery on this thread and you think he is legit, then it speaks volumes about your ability to to perceive whats real from whats fake. So I won't even address this so-called "gift" to detect geological origins of a strain by looking at half foot seedlings.
 

rikdabrick

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So just for anyone playing along I asked rollitup to see if these old school Hawaiian growers, who all happen to know and shill for Pua Mana, are the same guy. So rollitup got rid of

Hawaiian420247 and
MauiFire

because they were the same guy shilling for Pua Mana and posting from the mainland. FACT! Claiming they were in Hawaii was BS

So if it's not too clear to everyone by now let me state it clearly:

THE PUA MANA SEEDS GUY IS FULL OF SHIT AND A TOTAL FAKE ASS LOSER! HE IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY WHATSOEVER! HE MAKES MULTIPLE SOCK ACCOUNTS AND LIES ABOUT WHO HE IS.

IS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH? HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED TO SEE THAT HE'S FULL OF SHIT?

BUY YOUR SEEDS FROM SOMEONE BESIDES PUA MANA OHANA!

Thank God rollitup checked into this. I knew I was going to drive out to Keanae for nothing.
@kona gold did you miss this post^

The guy is fake through and through. Give your money to him if you want. I'll stick with seed makers/breeders that don't need to make multiple fake accounts and pretend to be people their not to try to sell seeds. I will never trust a thing from Pua Mana Ohana. The guy is one lolo buggah. This thread is proof. I'm glad I quoted those guys a decent amount before all their posts got removed.

Also a big thanks to @rollitup for checking in to this shit storm of a thread. You saved me two hours of driving time today.
 

rikdabrick

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And this thread doesn't even include all the BS and drama from other places like icmag. Pua Mana is a delusional nut job.

And I'm sure any reports you find online of his "strains" were written by him. Find me some reports from well known and trusted forum members who have obviously grown out other strains too. I bet there's none
 
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