Cannabidiol oil won't get you buzzed but it could get you busted

gb123

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lol anything fo a bust and some easy business 101 . The list of things they can bust you withis endless lol
legal ya right

CBD oil is a controlled substance — and the 'jury is still out' on its health benefits
Katie Nicholson, Joanne Levasseur · CBC News · Posted: May 11, 2018 3:00 AM CT | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

CBD oil is considered a Schedule 2 drug in Canada and should only be sold to those with a prescription, according to Health Canada. But it is widely available online and at head shops. (Tyson Koschik/CBC)
Cannabidiol oil, or CBD, is generating a lot of buzz in the world of alternative medicine and many Canadians are buying in.

The oil, which is extracted from marijuana plants, doesn't have the same mind-altering effects as smoking pot. People rub it on their achy joints or put it under their tongue to help them sleep. Some purveyors say it's completely legal in Canada and can be used for a long list of ailments, including epilepsy and multiple sclerosis.

But federal authorities say CBD oil, which is widely available at head shops and online, is indeed illegal without a medical marijuana prescription. And its purported health benefits are also still in question.

Cannabis products not yet legal
Canadian affiliates of HempWorx, a multi-level marketing company based in Las Vegas, have been pushing CBD oil products through websites that say the product is allowed in Canada. They also list how much people should take for a long list of diseases.

HempWorx did not respond to multiple interview requests. But in April, one of its Winnipeg-based affiliates told CBC News that its sale is "100 per cent legal."

Under current Canadian law, the possession or sale of cannabidiol oil is illegal the same way other cannabis products are illegal. The same goes for importing or exporting the substance. The fact that it doesn't get you high doesn't matter.

"Anyone who has evidence that this product is being sold in Canada should provide this information to law enforcement, and should be aware that this product would be illegal to purchase," a spokesperson for Health Canada said in an email.

"The unauthorized movement of cannabis across Canada's borders remains a serious criminal offence, subject to enforcement up to and including criminal investigation and prosecution," said the Canadian Border Services Agency in an email.


Joan Sinc, spokesperson for Cant pee, says people should go to the Health Canada website to find producers that are licensed and legal. (CBC News)
Telling customers CBD oil is legal is a problem for the burgeoning marijuana industry, according to Cant pee., which calls itself the world's biggest licensed pot and oil producer.

"You are putting [consumers] at risk, including legal risk because they are in possession of an illegal drug," said Jordan Sinclair, a company spokesperson.

Until marijuana is legalized in Canada, the only people who can legally buy Cant pees products or any other cannabis or cannabidiol oil from a licensed producer are patients with prescriptions.

Cant pee is concerned that companies that make health claims could erode the credibility of the pot industry as a whole.

"Many of the health claims that are being made are outside of the rules that we are playing by, so there are some general red flags that go up around that," said Sinc, whose company conducts continuing medical education with physicians about the state of cannabis science.

"Let's allow doctors to evaluate patients and make prescription decisions based on the evidence that's out there. But that's very, very far cry away from somebody going on the Internet saying that they're going to cure your MS or they're going to cure cancer," he said.

"That is not that's not medical advice, that's snake oil salesmanship."

Health benefits in question
CBD's health benefits are hazy. But that has not stopped HempWorx and other unlicenced companies from promoting the "miraculous health benefits" of the oil and making claims about its possible uses.

Under the heading "serving suggestions" on its website, HempWorx outlines the daily amounts to take for diseases such as epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, schizophrenia and glaucoma.

The site also has a section titled "how CBD oil works in the human body" that lists studies under the headings "relieves anxiety," "reduces the risk of artery blockages" and "relieves pain."


Robert Laprairie is studying cells in a Petri dish at a lab at the University of Saskatchewan to determine how CBD works in the human body. While there are signs that it is useful for the treatment of some conditions, he stressed the findings are preliminary. (Trevor Botherel/CBC News)
Preliminary studies have been published about the oil's potential health effects — but there isn't enough evidence ot make sweeping health claims, said Robert Laprairie, an assistant professor at the University of Saskatchewan's college of pharmacy and nutrition.

"The short answer is that we don't exactly know how cannabadoil works in the body," he said.

"I think we really just need more research and more studies in order to demonstrate whether cannabidiol is or isn't effective as a treatment for different conditions."

Laprairie is currently studying how CBD works on humans. He says there is good preliminary evidence to suggest that cannabidiol is useful for the treatment of pediatric epilepsy and Crohn's disease — but he stresses the word preliminary.

"As a scientist I would say that the jury is still out on what we have good evidence-based medicine for," he said.

HempWorx products not approved in Canada
Health Canada is more blunt about making health claims for CBD or any other cannabis products.

"Health Canada is especially concerned about advertisements of any kind which are false, misleading or deceptive, and those which advertise cannabis in relation to particular therapeutic claims," the regulator stated in an information bulletin.

As far as HempWorx's status in Canada, the federal regulator says it not allowed.

"Health Canada has not authorized any of the HempWorx products mentioned on the website provided," said a spokesperson in an email to CBC News.

HempWorx's website contains the following disclaimer:

"These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease ... We do not make any health claims about our products at HempWorx LLC. Before taking our products, it's wise to check with your physician or medical doctor."

HempWorx owner Josh Zwagil warned affiliates against making medical claims and to avoid words like cures, prevents, diagnose and treats in an online webinar for affiliates from last summer.

He said U.S. regulators are watching closely and told affiliates to "not ruin this for everybody."

"What you can say to build excitement, and say it in the same way, is 'research suggests', 'studies show,' 'different users of these products are claiming,'" he said at the time.

Legalization coming — but with caveats
Dried cannabis and CBD oil from licenced producers will become legal once the federal Cannabis Act passes, but the current draft of the law prohibits the promotion in a manner that is misleading or deceptive or that is likely to create an erroneous impression about health effects.







If the science behind the health benefits of CBD oil bears out, the government will need to decide how that will change the way it is marketed.

Laprairie said it will all take time.

He would like Health Canada regulate CBD the same way it regulates natural health products or prescription drugs.

"Then we would have a mechanism for prescribing rights for physicians and we would have mechanisms to hold and carry and track use through pharmacies."
 
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WHATFG

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Many of the health claims that are being made are outside of the rules that we are playing by, so there are some general red flags that go up around that," said Sinc, whose company conducts continuing medical education with physicians about the state of cannabis science.
....so if the rules weren't there, they'd be doing the same fucking thing....what?...there's a state of cannabis science?....and here I thought it was all anecdotal....always wanting it both ways....sounds like my ex.
 

gb123

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Every Canadian adult can produce 4 plants and do with them whatever they want. If they want to make oil, it's their property. CBD oil is no different than any other natural health medicine (except it works).
when its legal....
the fact remains that anyone growing their own..
should plan on being busted with illicit home grown pot with no label. Patients as well !:idea:
Hows any cop supposed to know if it legal or illicit?
SIMPLE they;ll take it and worry about it later. :)

and dont ever have it on you while driving...its off to the blood test joint for the day! lol

ps I guess it would be simple to get ahold of one of those no name brand pot bags from HC

r make them and sell them to the BM
Im sure some one is all over that angle ;)

and wanna bet it gets onto OCRC's shelves with out the feds knowing?
hahahahhaah fuck ya it will
 

VIANARCHRIS

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when its legal....
the fact remains that anyone growing their own..
should plan on being busted with illicit home grown pot with no label. Patients as well !:idea:
Hows any cop supposed to know if it legal or illicit?
SIMPLE they;ll take it and worry about it later. :)

and dont ever have it on you while driving...its off to the blood test joint for the day! lol
LOL You be trippin' GB! Nobody is coming for anyone's plants. If you got 4 or less rec plants, you're good to go. nobody will be doing dna checks on them. Where would they find the manpower and resources to inspect and test every plant? The driving thing is going to be a shit show tho - I ain't changing anything and see what happens.:bigjoint:
 

gb123

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sorry chris but yer the only one high here who thinks you will walk away with no charges or bullshit upon finding pot
on your person...or..in your back yard after a complaining neighbor..any excuse to do what they will do!!
yer in for a treat when and if that time comes,..and it can indeed happen this way and most likely will.
unless shit gets changed in the mean time..
im not changing anything but the fact remains they can do anything they want....and will not worry about it later!!..(:
 

VIANARCHRIS

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sorry chris but yer the only one high here who thinks you will walk away with no charges or bullshit upon finding pot
on your person...or..in your back yard after a complaining neighbor..any excuse to do what they will do!!
yer in for a treat when and if that time comes,..and it can indeed happen this way and most likely will.
unless shit gets changed in the mean time..
im not changing anything but the fact remains they can do anything they want....and will not worry about it later!!..(:
Sorry GB. NOPE. There are NO CHARGES for an adult possessing cannabis up to 30g. You seem convinced there are going to be gangs of cops collecting samples of everyone's weed looking for an illicit bud. Not gonna happen. That's like expecting cops to inspect every liquor cabinet in the country looking for moonshine.
The ONLY people that have anything to worry about are those who continue to grow and sell on the black market.
 

ANC

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In my opinion, CBD oil is only the first step on the ladder of the plant's medical potential.
The real potential lies in full raw extract. The THC/THC-A conversion normally only happens after heating the plant material.
When you consume raw, juiced cannabis, you are not likely to get high at all. Yet you will get so much more in than any CBD oil can ever dream to provide you.

I think as a minimum there should be no plant limit for medical users who have no plants in flower.
It takes about a month to grow a small plant ready for juicing, so you need at least 31 small plants.
 

gb123

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Sorry GB. NOPE. There are NO CHARGES for an adult possessing cannabis up to 30g. You seem convinced there are going to be gangs of cops collecting samples of everyone's weed looking for an illicit bud. Not gonna happen. That's like expecting cops to inspect every liquor cabinet in the country looking for moonshine.
The ONLY people that have anything to worry about are those who continue to grow and sell on the black market.
ok Chris
heres the deal..
Im a cop.. you have pot . Even though you say you are not impaired..or have illicit pot..
its on your person and I think you have smoked it ..lol..and a blood test will prove it...no matter if yer impaired OR not
I arrest you for impaired and take you in to check ....no matter what condition you are in...and iI take your unmarked herb as well because it has no name on it..
and your License from HC? Well I dont believe it is what it is... lol
so, I take it and SAY it illicit no matter what amount you have...cause there's no label,
or I feel its to much and its over...
or I think what ever I want just cause.. lol

you can figure it out in court and me the cop? Oh Im sorry Mr... maybe next time I find something that'll stick..but you're welcome for the days in court! ;) cause I can say and do what ever the fuck I want with these new laws :)
 

VIANARCHRIS

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ok Chris
heres the deal..
Im a cop.. you have pot . Even though you say you are not impaired..or have illicit pot..
its on your person and I think you have smoked it ..lol..and a blood test will prove it...no matter if yer impaired OR not
I arrest you for impaired and take you in to check ....no matter what condition you are in...and iI take your unmarked herb as well because it has no name on it..
and your License from HC? Well I dont believe it is what it is... lol
so, I take it and SAY it illicit no matter what amount you have...cause there's no label,
or I feel its to much and its over...
or I think what ever I want just cause.. lol

you can figure it out in court and me the cop? Oh Im sorry Mr... maybe next time I find something that'll stick..but you're welcome for the days in court! ;) cause I can say and do what ever the fuck I want with these new laws :)
I still say yer trippin' balls GB. Pot has been illegal for 100 years and I've been smoking it for forty of those years. Cops have had the ability to do everything you mentioned for all of those years. How many times have you been victimized in the way you describe in the last 100 years of prohibition? Why would that change with legalization? I haven't been hassled about weed since the early '80's and never in BC. What would be the incentive for municipalities to spend money looking for people with 'illicit' pot? The time, money and court resources needed to prosecute someone for having 'illicit' pot would be more than the $200 fine.
Maybe the cops are just fucked in Ontario, but I have no worries where I'm sittin'. :lol:
 

gb123

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How many times have you been victimized in the way you describe in the last 100 years of prohibition?
not once..(::bigjoint:
but it doesnt mean they cant do as I say... :idea::idea::idea:
thats my point..:mrgreen:
They can do as they wish..with these new laws..:hump::hump::hump:
theres another 45 added after all..(:
 

VIANARCHRIS

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not once..(::bigjoint:
but it doesnt mean they cant do as I say... :idea::idea::idea:
thats my point..:mrgreen:
Bt it doesn't mean they will, and that's my point. What would be the purpose of going after legal pot smokers when ythey haven't bothered with them when it was illegal. I'd say you're safe for the next 100 years.
 

gb123

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let me start bt saying its a different world where I come from
If they have the Opp They'll use it every time.
Just the way it goes out here as usualy
Theres enough people paying diversions over the last 8 years ITS NUTS lol
Script or no script..
Yes they sure do take their time to send you to court for even a bag that smells like pot with residue
seen it less than 4 years back now. Ride check....
so will they bother you when they add more laws to the books /Fuck ya they will
the new training is just for this ..so they'll be UP with the new "fuck me" tools of the trade ...
We shall all sadly see when they show up with a test....to prove nothing ;)
 

HotKarl2

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It's a shakedown. I recognize them when I see them. Cops just can't understand not being able to fuck up someone's life over pot, so they make sure they still have ways to fuck you over even though it is legal. Hold you upside down until the money falls out of your pockets basically, like any mobster enforcer would.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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let me start bt saying its a different world where I come from
If they have the Opp They'll use it every time.
Just the way it goes out here as usualy
Theres enough people paying diversions over the last 8 years ITS NUTS lol
Script or no script..
Yes they sure do take their time to send you to court for even a bag that smells like pot with residue
seen it less than 4 years back now. Ride check....
so will they bother you when they add more laws to the books /Fuck ya they will
the new training is just for this ..so they'll be UP with the new "fuck me" tools of the trade ...
We shall all sadly see when they show up with a test....to prove nothing ;)
You need to MOVE. lol
 
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