Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

[Fractured but whole]

Lights are lights -- you aren't even consistent!

Are you really 52?
Seems a little early to be set in your ways.

Willful ignorance is sad, but I can't feel sorry for you because it's a choice.

to bad, i tried to tell you, it happens to all LED fanboys, you haven't even bought one yet and you're already one of em LMFAO
got to love when you get to someone so good,they have to look up your profile.lol

 

[Humple]

I suggest the troll no longer be fed.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Whatever happened to using the right tool for the job? I would like to try led. But hid and room exhaust helps heat my house in winter. And we don’t have many hot months needing air conditioning.

I would likely need to heat the growroom during lights on and lights off with led further increasing the heating bill.

Propane is expensive. I live in the woods. Electric is cheaper from our country co-op electric company.

 

[a mongo frog]

Whatever happened to using the right tool for the job? I would like to try led. But hid and room exhaust helps heat my house in winter. And we don’t have many hot months needing air conditioning.

I would likely need to heat the growroom during lights on and lights off with led further increasing the heating bill.

Propane is expensive. I live in the woods. Electric is cheaper from our country co-op electric company.

You are going to have to switch. Pretty sure you know why. Start with as cob fixture Or the QB 550 or 600. See if any of those are really all that is advertised. Might cost a few grand but fuck it. If they don't compare to the tech your using now give them away on this site for free in spite. Thats what i plan on doing.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

You are going to have to switch. Pretty sure you know why. Start with as cob fixture Or the QB 550 or 600. See if any of those are really all that is advertised. Might cost a few grand but fuck it. If they don't compare to the tech your using now give them away on this site for free in spite. Thats what i plan on doing.

So much for the reasonable approach.

 

[hillbill]

Some do not seem to realize that most growers using COBs and Boards used the old HPS Street bulbs for years prior. Many on RIU that use LEDs were originally telling us we were foolish and it goes on. I even used a dial phone!

 

[GreenHighlander]

I run HIDs and have for many years. Like most things with growing it really does come down to the particular grows needs and what the grower is comfortable with. I can see that fantastic buds are being grown by lots of folks with LED and HIDs. Both are totally different yet both are capable of producing great buds.
Which option is best totally depends on your needs and preference.
So arguing over opinions is pretty dumb.
Cheers

 

[a mongo frog]

Which option is best totally depends on your needs and preference.
So arguing over opinions is pretty dumb.

Not really when you can get the same job done with basically half the wattage. Imagine getting patients medicine for less money because its costing you less. The happiness on their face might be worth the investment.
The part you say about "needs" is just an excuse, I was, am still in your same boat. We have no choice as gardeners to switch if the technology does what it says it does and the people on here are not bullshitting. So basically you have a 3k hps shed for testing (super nice), I heard you already have 750 watts of cobs but are not using them, so now maybe invest in 2 QB 550's or the 600's and use all your led lighting and see how you fair. If you do the same or better you just did your part and saved humanity. Take that approach and scale it up a bit and dive right into the California legel marijuana market with a small scale permit.

 

[Johnny Lawrence]

I have NEVER seen this supposed superior bud on any shelves or being sold as superior bud.

Shops don't label their flower as to what type of light they were grown with.

 

[GreenHighlander]

Not really when you can get the same job done with basically half the wattage. Imagine getting patients medicine for less money because its costing you less. The happiness on their face might be worth the investment.
The part you say about "needs" is just an excuse, I was, am still in your same boat. We have no choice as gardeners to switch if the technology does what it says it does and the people on here are not bullshitting. So basically you have a 3k hps shed for testing (super nice), I heard you already have 750 watts of cobs but are not using them, so now maybe invest in 2 QB 550's or the 600's and use all your led lighting and see how you fair. If you do the same or better you just did your part and saved humanity. Take that approach and scale it up a bit and dive right into the California legel marijuana market with a small scale permit.

So tell me more about this great power saving when someone then has to have heaters on with their lights? Also I suggest not trying to justify indoor growing in California as saving humanity lol Wanna be an ethical grower grow outside. LED does not somehow make someone more ethical in regards to saving humanity. Just like being Vegan doesn't.
Again like I said the touting of either being the best in every situation is complete and total bullshit. The best is what works best for the growing situation it is being used in and the grower using it. Neither type of lighting reigns universally supreme ATM.
Cheers

 

[Dave455]

He rides a Harley instead of a Honda, that explains it all.

Check out there tanked up stock !!! HD ticker

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

So tell me more about this great power saving when someone then has to have heaters on with their lights? Also I suggest not trying to justify indoor growing in California as saving humanity lol Wanna be an ethical grower grow outside. LED does not somehow make someone more ethical in regards to saving humanity. Just like being Vegan doesn't.
Again like I said the touting of either being the best in every situation is complete and total bullshit. The best is what works best for the growing situation it is being used in and the grower using it. Neither type of lighting reigns universally supreme ATM.
Cheers

They are not listening. I have put up info explaining the power savings and cost of heat here on a few of these threads and am only ignored or told I am wrong and “have” to try.

But I have tried a few different led weeds. They always insist I must not have. The spectrum is actually better for flowering marijuana with my Hortilux supers or a cmh. Or both is even better.

Don’t have to believe me. The universities of Michigan and Utah say so. I have linked info more than once here.

And the u of m is testing discreet colored diodes to dial in specific crops for the Horticulture industry. No mention of full spectrum “white” lighting except to include it with the other color diodes.

Manufacturers are going to use that info to produce grow lighting not this forums. And it is getting closer to us seeing them. The fact that Hortilux is now doing it should tell you. A big company like Eye lighting will Put a toe in the water first then later to full production. But if they are selling it. It isn’t a trial it is the beginning.

The forum led companies do not want you to know that. It’s easy enough to search. There is tons of led info posted from universities in the last few years.


And the average numbers posted in this thread I can achieve easily with hps. I do over a gram per watt easy. With 600 hps. If I were to monocrop with a trellis or scrog I could do much better.

And I am pretty sure my quality is ok.

and Cobs are re purposed street/ warehouse lights just like hps. They are not made as grow lights from the manufacturer. They have commercial and industrial applications.

There are many tools for the job but I don’t see one much better or worse than another.

I was sold on cmh until I found out it cost me 30% yield compared a 600 hps. And I thought the quality was markedly higher.

Until I took it out of the room and the weed was just as potent if not more.

How the Grow goes is much more important than which lighting used.

Sorry for the long rant but I can’t stand agenda driven arguments. And this thread actually shows that the grower is more important than the lighting. Look at the varied results.

Why is reasonable middle ground so unreasonable in these discussions.

I already know the answer. Personal investment is always the answer.

 

[Humple]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you need the heat, just run HID. If you don't need the heat, you're only wasting money (and energy) by refusing to switch to LED. Pretty damn simple.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you need the heat, just run HID. If you don't need the heat, you're only wasting money (and energy) by refusing to switch to LED. Pretty damn simple.

Thanks for this response

 

[Humple]

Thanks for this response

No worries, brother. People on both sides of the argument can get a little silly. It's a lot of "my team" vs "your team" bullshit.

 

[hillbill]

Lots of growers who use LEDs these days use them because they tried them and found they worked much better. No big deal as growing using LEDs is not a religion, unlike Harley Davidson.

 

[Chip Green]

have heaters on with their lights

I absolutely agree that LED may not be best option in many cases. In my region of MI, the winters are wicked, it would be counterproductive to energy savings if heat had to be supplemented. In my situation however, the smallish spaces were not as challenging to maintain stable conditions, so DIY LED is still beneficial....fortunately for me,I'm capable of building my own LED "lamps", not everyone is, in which case HID will be a better option.

What I will dispute however, is anyone who insists that there are NOT LED technologies currently available that will outperform HID. They may not be available on a commercial production level, but they DO EXIST.....
For some of us.....

 

[wietefras]

I gave away my Gavita DE Pro lights after I did a few rounds with COBs. There really is just no point in wasting money on running HPS anymore.

My COB harvests end up as the highest priced items on the menu of the place that buys it from me. So quality wise, I blow all those HPS growers out of the water.

So not only do I now spend a lot less on electricity, I also yield more and better product which means I get more grams and more money per gram. It's really no contest. HPS is obsolete in every way.

 

[The Dawg]

I gave away my Gavita DE Pro lights after I did a few rounds with COBs. There really is just no point in wasting money on running HPS anymore.

My COB harvest end up as the highest priced items on the menu of the place that buys it from me. So quality wise, I blow all those HPS growers out of the water.

So not only do I now spend a lot less on electricity, I also yield more and better product which means I get more grams and more money per gram. It's really no contest. HPS is obsolete in every way.

And Primus Still Sucks

 

[GreenHighlander]

I gave away my Gavita DE Pro lights after I did a few rounds with COBs. There really is just no point in wasting money on running HPS anymore.

My COB harvests end up as the highest priced items on the menu of the place that buys it from me. So quality wise, I blow all those HPS growers out of the water.

So not only do I now spend a lot less on electricity, I also yield more and better product which means I get more grams and more money per gram. It's really no contest. HPS is obsolete in every way.

I love these kind of over the top statements haha