Where I stand on americas gun "laws"

ttystikk

ttystikk

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907cannabis said:
We need money and help to enforce laws, we can make a million laws but if we don't have the right people enforcing them they are useless.

I'd like to see 100 billion of that military budget put to better use right here at home.

Pretty sure we have enough nuclear warheads that are in essence "illegal". This doesn't stop our government from telling others that they can't make or test nuclear weapons.
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I think we could stand to reduce our military budget by 2/3 and end up with a safer and more secure planet for everyone.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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907cannabis said:
Ok I spoke too soon, not all politicians or even government officials obviously, let's start with a decent comfortable salary....and then let's make sure they keep their hands out of the pot in other ways and stick to their jobs. Investing money is one thing but taking payment in exchange for political power is another. I like that quote above about our government being the best money can buy... It only just proves what we vote on means nothing and the decisions made in the end are swayed by big money.
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The Trump administration shows how comfortable the Republican Party base has become with corruption in their leadership. Trump's cabinet is filled with people who don't need to negotiate a quid pro quo arrangement. They simply cooperate and understand what the other wants. Many have known each other for decades.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jared-kushner-s-shady-business-dealings-evoke-nepotism-corruption-america-ncna852781

Jared Kushner's shady business dealings evoke the nepotism and corruption of America's Gilded Age
From fee-based governance to the “friendships” between the rich and public officials, the 19th century practices we once banished are back.

The New York Times reported on Feb. 28 that Apollo Global Management and Citigroup made large loans last year to the heavily indebted Kushner Companies, the family real estate business. That the financiers did so after meeting with Kushner is not unusual. That the meetings took place at the White House was. Supposedly, the meetings and loans were unconnected. The loans, Kushner’s lawyer insists, were never discussed.

Of course not. There was no need to discuss them. That was also the case with the “friendships” between plutocrats and politicians in the Gilded Age. It was never about quid pro quo. Friends simply had understandings; they did each other favors.

Getting back to the OP, the NRA delivers votes and campaign donations to these guys. In exchange, the gun industry get's theirs.
 
NrthrnMichigan

NrthrnMichigan

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Fogdog said:
lol

The NRA creates the problem then blames their victim.

https://www.csgv.org/myth-black-market/
This from the link posted above: “anyone who does not have a record can go to a licensed gun store in most states, legally buy as many handguns as he or she wants, and walk out the door with them.” Kairys also points out that there are no “meaningful limits on the resale of handguns,” because private individuals, unlike federally licensed gun dealers, are not required to run Brady background checks on purchasers.

It's almost impossible to legally buy a hand gun in those cities. The problem doesn't lie with them, it's their surrounding community's gun dealers, deliberately crafted loopholes in laws for background checks and a racist attitude by gun nuts and the media towards the deaths of black kids.

Once a gun is sold, there is no tracking scheme for it. Too easy to go from a legal sale into the hands of criminals.
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907cannabis

907cannabis

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NrthrnMichigan said:
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It's not that they obey them, just making the process harder will lower the rates of gun deaths.

Evidence is there to support it. I'd like to keep my shit but our laws need to change. Good people will abide and even volunteer in buybacks and the gun numbers will fall/deaths will fall. I don't believe in mandatory bans just stricter process and closing of loopholes and shit, age limits, laws on storing guns, the mentally unfit and shit like that.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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too larry said:
Are you sure? I thought we had way more than Serbia, the next highest country. We have just over one gun per person, while Serbia has a half to three quarters per person.
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Switzerland has about one gun per capita, and more to the point they have at least a semi automatic military style weapon in almost every household, part of the civilian arms from compulsory military service culture.
 
too larry

too larry

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ttystikk said:
Switzerland has about one gun per capita, and more to the point they have at least a semi automatic military style weapon in almost every household, part of the civilian arms from compulsory military service culture.
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I thought they were in 3rd place, behind us and Serbia. 8 million Swiss. 2.3-4.5 million guns, when government owned guns are included. I may be reading this wrong.

But the training is a big factor toward their low death rates. About 10% of ours. Their one mass shooting has resulted in changes to the way Army ammo is stored. Not in soldiers homes anymore.
 
RetiredGuerilla

RetiredGuerilla

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ttystikk said:
I'm making the point that if America quit spending so damned much on our military, the rest of the world might not feel so threatened and that would make the whole world safer. For everyone.

I know it's just a pipe dream but it COULD happen...
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The military industrial complex is run by CIA businessmen. The complex includes ALL military equipment from boots to cruise missiles. They run and own the factories that build and produce ALL military equipment. The CIA was going to be dismantled by JFK who promised to smash it into a 1,000 pieces and scatter it in the wind. On Nov. 22 1963 they chopped off the top of his head and took control of the country. That's why they get all the money they want and the masses are powerless to stop them. So with that said your dream ain't never gonna happen bro. Sorry. War is big fuckin business. :fire:
 
907cannabis

907cannabis

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Tim1987 said:
News to me. Point taken. Thanks for the correction
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Sorry don't mean to offend anyone but don't listen to this, I can legally buy a threaded barrel and have it shipped to me.... And then legally buy a suppressor and use it if I want.

Gunsmiths thread barrels all the time, you can buy a suppressor with a 200 dollar tax stamp and about 5 grand, this is why nobody uses them cause they are hard to obtain, they are not illegal federally although some states are going to have laws against them I'm sure.

These same laws and hard processes are what could lower massacre numbers across the nation. It shouldn't be a piece of cake to go out and buy 5 ar-15 rifles and 5000 rounds. If you intend to shoot that many rounds they should be bought at a range and shot on site.

I have roughly 1-2000 rounds of ammo for probably 15 or so different guns. Mostly 22lr. I don't need anymore than that and I kill more animals for food in a year than most people do in a lifetime. I target practice a lot, I can hit a 8 inch plate with my glock at 100yards, I shoot regularly with my rifle at 500.

Unless you can show me hours logged into a range you don't need 1000 .223 rounds just for protection.

I will always defend my right to own my weapons, but it's time to change shit.
 
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Tim1987

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too larry said:
Just a thought. When I buy guns, I have to fill out a form. One of the questions is about drug use. I have lied about pot smoking on every one, so I guess I'm a criminal too. As are all the gun owners on this forum.
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Yeah but like you're stoned you might forget to turn the safety back on......
 
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