How a Bump Stock works

Bugeye said:
I've seen videos of bump fired handguns, but it is hard to imagine doing so with a larger caliber.
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I'm going to guess it was jerry rigged to fuck and had about a 6 foot spread @ 5 yards. As they don't have a stock, it'd take some serious modifications.
 
LEDandCoffee said:
I'm going to guess it was jerry rigged to fuck and had about a 6 foot spread @ 5 yards. As they don't have a stock, it'd take some serious modifications.
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It's not hard to rig something up that works with large caliber. Semi-autos are the problem. We didn't have these problems before semi's became common. People in the 60s were every bit as crazy as they are now. School shootings existed in culture (Stephen King wrote Rage in '76 for example), but they were extremely rare. The difference is that technology has made guns more deadly, and everyone and their grandma now owns one. All you fuckers spoiled all the fun.
 
deno said:
It's not hard to rig something up that works with large caliber. Semi-autos are the problem. We didn't have these problems before semi's became common. People in the 60s were every bit as crazy as they are now. School shootings existed in culture (Stephen King wrote Rage in '76 for example), but they were extremely rare. The difference is that technology has made guns more deadly, and everyone and their grandma now owns one. All you fuckers spoiled all the fun.
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"it's not hard to rig something up that works with large caliber"
"semi-autos are the problem"
"All you fuckers spoiled all the fun."

Know how I know you know nothing about guns?


deno said:
My point is that the number of guns will decline over time, so how is that a moot point? You must not know guns very well.
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360 million is going to take a loooong time to just "wear out".
 
Bugeye said:
Thank you for correcting me. Are you speaking to large caliber hanguns? Please clarify so I can better understand.
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Bump stocks do not exist for handguns as far as I'm aware.

Bump stocks are used on AR-15 and AR-10 platform rifles. The only other way to reproduce the action of a bump stock is to use an actual full automatic firing system with your rifle.
 
somedude584 said:
Hey so just a heads up for you folks here, gun related homicides by semi-automatic rifles are a drop in the bucket of gun related homicides. Even further, the amount killed by bump stocks is infinitesimally small, so small I doubt there is any data on it.

The reality is mass shootings produce emotionally driven responses not grounded in any logic whatsoever. Handguns are the primary tool of a murderer, not rifles. Statistically the whole argument against rifles is an absurdity, and wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny.
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This pivot won't work. The amount of people killed by bump stock is not ifintesimally small. That is not a measure of how many people are killed - it is not a thing.

The amount of AR-15 related deaths in the USA dwarfs every other industrialized nation on earth by several hundred percentage points. So while you might think the US has 'infinitesammyalily small' amount of deaths related to the AR-15, the truth is 1 death with that weapon is too many. When you begin to accept the truth - that the USA is not safer with more guns around, that accessories designed to make guns fire faster only make them more dangerous, and that the one proven way of dealing with gun violence is strict gun control - then we can talk.

but you are just denying the truth of the situation by not even acknowledging the problem by trivializing it as 'infintitesamaally small' problem.

It is not. It is a HUGE problem. It is very urgent to deal with the fact that there are batshit crazy americans with big-ass arsenals in their houses, they keep using these guns to mow down innocent civilians, and nothing is done about it.

That is a VERY BIG PROBLEM. not an infinatesammlyuy small or whatever the hell that word is I can't spell that shit.....
 
see4 said:
Bump stocks do not exist for handguns as far as I'm aware.

Bump stocks are used on AR-15 and AR-10 platform rifles. The only other way to reproduce the action of a bump stock is to use an actual full automatic firing system with your rifle.
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I was speaking to bump firing without a bump stock, as in these videos:

 
see4 said:
Not sure that makes sense, what is a "binary trigger"?

An SBR has a stock.
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A binary trigger shoots both when pulled, and when released. Essentially a two round burst on one trigger pull.

An SBR has a stock, but there's ways around an SBR permit, via a forearm brace.


Bugeye said:
I was speaking to bump firing without a bump stock, as in these videos:

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Back to my point, look at the accuracy. That AK hit the dirt 10 feet in front of him.

The pistol video isn't even anything remotely related to a bump stock, he's just smashing on the trigger, again, with a 6 foot spread @ 5 yards.
 
LEDandCoffee said:
A binary trigger shoots both when pulled, and when released. Essentially a two round burst on one trigger pull.

An SBR has a stock, but there's ways around an SBR permit, via a forearm brace.




Back to my point, look at the accuracy. That AK hit the dirt 10 feet in front of him.
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Did shot accuracy matter to the Las Vegas killer?
 
Bugeye said:
I was speaking to bump firing without a bump stock, as in these videos:

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Ahh, yea, I've seen that out at the range. Not very effective, and generally there is more than meets the eye to that.

LEDandCoffee said:
A binary trigger shoots both when pulled, and when released. Essentially a two round burst on one trigger pull.

An SBR has a stock, but there's ways around an SBR permit, via a forearm brace.
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A brace on a rifle is a pistol. If you are intending to shoulder the brace of a registered pistol you are committing a federal offense. If the rifle is registered as an SBR, a brace would be silly.

Here is one of my registered SBRs
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I shoulder it because it is far more comfortable to do so than a pistol with brace.

SNIP IMAGE

The rifle in the middle left is a pistol. If I shouldered that, I would be committing a felony.
 
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Bugeye said:
Did shot accuracy matter to the Las Vegas killer?
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He shot into a crowd of people. So obviously not. I could've taken an 18 wheeler in there and killed 4x as many people. Hell one guy dropping a backpack full of explosives = hundreds dead.

Moot point is moot. If someone wants to commit a mass murder, they can and will. Regardless of the weapon of choice.
 
LEDandCoffee said:
He shot into a crowd of people. So obviously not. I could've taken an 18 wheeler in there and killed 4x as many people. Hell one guy dropping a backpack full of explosives = hundreds dead.

Moot point is moot. If someone wants to commit a mass murder, they can and will. Regardless of the weapon of choice.
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He used guns.
 
deno said:
It's not hard to rig something up that works with large caliber. Semi-autos are the problem. We didn't have these problems before semi's became common. People in the 60s were every bit as crazy as they are now. School shootings existed in culture (Stephen King wrote Rage in '76 for example), but they were extremely rare. The difference is that technology has made guns more deadly, and everyone and their grandma now owns one. All you fuckers spoiled all the fun.
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The country is awash in guns (300 million of them) but only 35% of US households own one. 65% of households got the message that they are less safe when they have one.
 
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