Moisture stress?

[nicholasgte37]

Any advice appreciated here. Thanks in advance.

These are clones transplanted 6 days ago under 2 LEDs around 180w. Hanging about 10'' from the top of the plants (while typing this I have raised them to 12'' did not realize they were so close)

The soil was very heavy at first and not draining well which leads me to believe it was moisture stress. The soil and pots have since been amended to drain much better.

So day 1 transplanted into heavy soil Day 4 transplanted into well draining soil, essentially upped the perlite content to about <50% This picture was taken about 18 hours after transplant into new soil.

I am using kellogg all natural garden soil from home depot, mixed with perlite, earthworm castings and steer manure/compost. No nutrients, I have only watered with distilled water, which I am currently just buying from the grocery store.

Can anyone confirm who has seen this before? The discolored spots are not dry they feel normal.

Second picture is under same light, same soil, different strain just for reference.

Thanks again

 

[a mongo frog]

Any advice appreciated here. Thanks in advance.

These are clones transplanted 6 days ago under 2 LEDs around 180w. Hanging about 10'' from the top of the plants (while typing this I have raised them to 12'' did not realize they were so close)

The soil was very heavy at first and not draining well which leads me to believe it was moisture stress. The soil and pots have since been amended to drain much better.

So day 1 transplanted into heavy soil Day 4 transplanted into well draining soil, essentially upped the perlite content to about <50% This picture was taken about 18 hours after transplant into new soil.

I am using kellogg all natural garden soil from home depot, mixed with perlite, earthworm castings and steer manure/compost. No nutrients, I have only watered with distilled water, which I am currently just buying from the grocery store.

Can anyone confirm who has seen this before? The discolored spots are not dry they feel normal.

Second picture is under same light, same soil, different strain just for reference.

Thanks again

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Pic 1 plant is floro burn. And pic 2 looks like a not so well rooted clone that may be over saturated and looks to be freezing and has spider mites.

 

[chiqifella]

soil worm castings and manure for seedlings is too hot, plants are over fed, watering habits are ill
transplant into larger container with a quality substrate, no coco, water completely until run off then not again until container is dry and light almost completely.

 

[CookieKush]

Pic 1 plant is floro burn. And pic 2 looks like a not so well rooted clone that may be over saturated and looks to be freezing and has spider mites.

Yea, Pic 1 is LED burn, 12 inches is too close to your plants... you want about 20 inches of clearance or the LED is just going to stress and kill those plants.

Pic 2, need to see a clearer shot but also agree looks like Spider mites on those leaves causing damage + too cold possibly as well (see purple stems) or Phosphorus issues...

 

[CookieKush]

PS. For the plant with the burned leaves, i'd suggest to get them cut away asap. Your just letting the plant waste energy at this point on damaged foliage.

 

[chiqifella]

plants dont waste energy like that. they dont use energy to repair dying leaves, but rather extract any usable nutrients they can while the leaf is dying. Photosynthesis provides the whole plant with energy, not to keep leaves green but to make mature flowers and seeds.

 

[CookieKush]

plants dont waste energy like that. they dont use energy to repair dying leaves, but rather extract any usable nutrients they can while the leaf is dying. Photosynthesis provides the whole plant with energy, not to keep leaves green but to make mature flowers and seeds.

Still better its cut away to give the plant full focus on doing what it needs to do

 

[chiqifella]

Still better its cut away to give the plant full focus on doing what it needs to do

plants dont focus. The plant does not need to do anything, only be sticky to attract pollinators for seed production.
in theory -that dying leaf, while attracting more pests ...also attract pests that will guarantee fertilization, the only reason the plant thrives-to reproduce
The reasons to remove the dying leaf -

dead leaves harbor pests, bacteria, excess moisture and fungi.

 

[CookieKush]

plants dont focus. The plant does not need to do anything, only be sticky to attract pollinators for seed production.
in theory -that dying leaf, while attracting more pests ...also attract pests that will guarantee fertilization, the only reason the plant thrives-to reproduce
The reasons to remove the dying leaf -

dead leaves harbor pests, bacteria, excess moisture and fungi.

Either way its better removed. Not going to get into a debate with you

 

[chiqifella]

Either way its better removed. Not going to get into a debate with you

I do agree with your suggestion to remove the dying leaf

 

[CookieKush]

I do agree with your suggestion to remove the dying leaf

I'd offer you a cookie but im a greedy bastard hehe

 

[badmojo420]

i dont think 12" is too low, i have a 600W LED that hangs less than 12" from my tops and dont have and kind of light burning or bleaching issues.

 

[CookieKush]

i dont think 12" is too low, i have a 600W LED that hangs less than 12" from my tops and dont have and kind of light burning or bleaching issues.

Not all lights are equal the recommended distance is around 20-30 inches usually for LEDs and 16 ish for flower.

 

[badmojo420]

Not all lights are equal the recommended distance is around 20-30 inches usually for LEDs and 16 ish for flower.

maybe my led is a piece of crap then lol. it was cheap haha, grows decent flowers though. maybe ill raise it and see if it makes and difference because i have it adjusted to be as close to the plants as possible without burning them. my last run had a SLIGHT led bleach on the main cola just slightly and raised it an inch and it stopped.

 

[chiqifella]

dont use clear cups. roots like it mostly dark, without algae

 

[nicholasgte37]

Thank you kindly for the input.

The lights are very intense I will raise them a few more inches.

As far as spider mites go I have not seen any but will take a closer look and check back in with that.

When you say plant into quality substrate and larger container my questions are:

1. Should I make a new batch of soil without the earthworm castings and manure?
(The all natural garden soil has more wood chips than i expected that may be the reason for lingering moisture)

2. Is a 2 gal warrior pot too large for these at their current size? (They are in 16 oz. cups now which I already feel is a bit big for them)

The purpling stems I believe is not temp related, room is about 70-74 deg. F.

Thanks again for any help. Much appreciated

 

[a mongo frog]

i dont think 12" is too low, i have a 600W LED that hangs less than 12" from my tops and dont have and kind of light burning or bleaching issues.

I think it had more to do with the light to low on a freshly rooted clone. Good practice is to adjust a very young rooted clone.

 

[nicholasgte37]

Took a closer look and yes looks definitely like spider mites on the second plant