TMV VIRUS?

Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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You have some good news .........

That leaf " shading " is a good purple pheno ...... If you grow her out proper I think you will see some purple ass weed. I always see that in my dark Devils and red poisons , grape killa , and others.
 
510grower510

510grower510

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Budzbuddha said:
You have some good news .........

That leaf " shading " is a good purple pheno ...... If you grow her out proper I think you will see some purple ass weed. I always see that in my dark Devils and red poisons , grape killa , and others.
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It's strawberry banana from dark heart nursery
 
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oswizzle

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There are a handful of Viruses going around these days within the community... good luck.. some take a min to really set the seeds of destruction in place... beware old OG cuts ... once the switch to produce THC is shut off... ur left with degenerating hemp ... over time..round after round...harvest after harvest... you'll notice a consistent dip in quality...

Its gnarly how bad the scene has become over the last 3 years....good lawd!
 
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DrGrinspoon1010

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I have had TMV on a crop before, didn’t have a clue what it was, kept checking ph and EC over and over but nothing wrong, so I thought maybe a deficiency even though none of the symptoms were like anything I had seen before but no luck,definitely was not pests as I couldn’t see anything and when under a powerful microscope still nothing, I searched and searched and came across TMV and it was exactly like my plants slightly deformed leaves and a weird mosaic pattern that was on the top of the leaves, where I had looked for mites ect and then checked others the others slowly became infected, I have grown in all mediums and different hydroponic systems, I have my humidity monitored, my ph and ec with bluelab, I have grown for years, from a couple to a lot and never once seen anything like this, neither had pals who have grown for over 20 years, I’ve lost a crop from spider mites before and had gnats from watering soil too much and read book after book about prevention and pest signs, I’m telling you this is definitely a real thing, all equipment was sterilized and pots and trays ect were thrown, I’m not sure if it was from the seeds ( as seeds can carry ) or from the type of soil I started them in, seeds from humboldt soil from biobizz, I read that it doesn’t kill plants but hinders the yield and as I had a few and it was still veg I decided to cut my loses, I hope I never see it again and hope that the problem with yours is just mites,,,,,,p.s just seen your pics and mine looked nothing like that, they had dark raised mosaic pattern blotches and went almost a leathery look to it. Peace to all
 
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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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510grower510 said:
No but I know they're small
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Bugeye said:
60x magnification on underside of leaves, hope you catch one moving or you won't see them.
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The Russet and Broad mite is the size of the diameter of a White fly's leg.

Even 60x isn't doing a good job of making them visible!


racerboy71 said:
one of our members has sent in a bunch of samples of suspected tmv damage in cannabis plants to have it tested, and over the years, he's never had a positive result for tmv in cannabis, leading him, and many others, to believe that tmv does not exist in cannabis plants, and the culprit usually ends up being something like russel mites like mentioned already in this thread..
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:mrgreen: I know that guy! :hump: :mrgreen:

FORGET about TMV and cannabis.

THAT (in his pictures) IS classic Broad/Russet mite damage. Rather advanced too!

@510grower510

FORBID 4 F is the best solution for them.
Imid based insecticides do work (Merit 75) but, are systemic and toxic to people far,far more then FORBID.

Your going to have to sanitize the shit out of that growing area too! EVERY SURFACE and include all the things in it and under them too!

SSGrower said:
^^^^^this too
But sincenonlyh on new growth something influenced it if it is mutation.
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Those are not expressing variegation.

Variegated is a kinda common genetic trait in some plants. It does happen with cannabis.
Some say it reduces the effective photosynthesis in plants. I'm not part of that belief group.
It's not considered a "mutation."

Treat for the micro mites and sanitize the grow!
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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DrGrinspoon1010 said:
I have had TMV on a crop before, didn’t have a clue what it was, kept checking ph and EC over and over but nothing wrong, so I thought maybe a deficiency even though none of the symptoms were like anything I had seen before but no luck,definitely was not pests as I couldn’t see anything and when under a powerful microscope still nothing, I searched and searched and came across TMV and it was exactly like my plants slightly deformed leaves and a weird mosaic pattern that was on the top of the leaves, where I had looked for mites ect and then checked others the others slowly became infected, I have grown in all mediums and different hydroponic systems, I have my humidity monitored, my ph and ec with bluelab, I have grown for years, from a couple to a lot and never once seen anything like this, neither had pals who have grown for over 20 years, I’ve lost a crop from spider mites before and had gnats from watering soil too much and read book after book about prevention and pest signs, I’m telling you this is definitely a real thing, all equipment was sterilized and pots and trays ect were thrown, I’m not sure if it was from the seeds ( as seeds can carry ) or from the type of soil I started them in, seeds from humboldt soil from biobizz, I read that it doesn’t kill plants but hinders the yield and as I had a few and it was still veg I decided to cut my loses, I hope I never see it again and hope that the problem with yours is just mites,,,,,,p.s just seen your pics and mine looked nothing like that, they had dark raised mosaic pattern blotches and went almost a leathery look to it. Peace to all
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NO, you didn't!

Look folks, TMV is so butt fucking RARE in cannabis it's stupid!

There are about only a handful of viral's that cannabis can get. If you have HOPS in your area. It maybe a Hop related virus.....

How do "I" know? Hundreds and hundreds of test's done by a prof friend, at a nationally respected AG college has done these tests for us (group of growers) and NONE have EVER been confirmed (as any type of TMV)!

BTW Sunn-Hemp,,,,is a bean! Sunn Hemp viral's effect that plant family. NOT the cannabis family!

Don't even come back and mention the "Home tests" for "TMV" as they are testing for a broad range of "viral's"........Your getting a "false" Pos for TMV as it's most likely something else in the viral world....

The only way to really tell by "test"? By looking at the cellular structure under a scanning electron microscope, and finding the virus cells. They all are different.....

I suggest you research disease's of Hop's and Hemp to clear the truth. Skip the internet garbage reports!
 
510grower510

510grower510

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Dr. Who said:
The Russet and Broad mite is the size of the diameter of a White fly's leg.

Even 60x isn't doing a good job of making them visible!
There is no mites. plants are growing fast and look great And I cannot see any mites with my 60x-120x pocket microscope!



:mrgreen: I know that guy! :hump: :mrgreen:

FORGET about TMV and cannabis.

THAT (in his pictures) IS classic Broad/Russet mite damage. Rather advanced too!

@510grower510

FORBID 4 F is the best solution for them.
Imid based insecticides do work (Merit 75) but, are systemic and toxic to people far,far more then FORBID.

Your going to have to sanitize the shit out of that growing area too! EVERY SURFACE and include all the things in it and under them too!



Those are not expressing variegation.

Variegated is a kinda common genetic trait in some plants. It does happen with cannabis.
Some say it reduces the effective photosynthesis in plants. I'm not part of that belief group.
It's not considered a "mutation."

Treat for the micro mites and sanitize the grow!
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DrGrinspoon1010

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Dr. Who said:
NO, you didn't!

Look folks, TMV is so butt fucking RARE in cannabis it's stupid!

There are about only a handful of viral's that cannabis can get. If you have HOPS in your area. It maybe a Hop related virus.....

How do "I" know? Hundreds and hundreds of test's done by a prof friend, at a nationally respected AG college has done these tests for us (group of growers) and NONE have EVER been confirmed (as any type of TMV)!

BTW Sunn-Hemp,,,,is a bean! Sunn Hemp viral's effect that plant family. NOT the cannabis family!

Don't even come back and mention the "Home tests" for "TMV" as they are testing for a broad range of "viral's"........Your getting a "false" Pos for TMV as it's most likely something else in the viral world....

The only way to really tell by "test"? By looking at the cellular structure under a scanning electron microscope, and finding the virus cells. They all are different.....

I suggest you research disease's of Hop's and Hemp to clear the truth. Skip the internet garbage reports!
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i find it funny how you say i didn't have it because its rare ? this is the reason why avoid these threads in the first place. you didn't see the plants so cant say if it was or not. being struck by lightening is rare but it still happens. i don't have hops in the area. i just signed up to this site to share my experience of what me and a few others seen in my plants that fit the description of TMV. and it started to spread from touching others until the whole room had signs of it. so i suggest before you start throwing out whats real and whats fake accusations you should remember that just because you or your friends have not seen it, it doesn't mean its not there. and who knows maybe it was a different virus that shows the exact same trade marks. either way it fucked the grow.
 
510grower510

510grower510

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DrGrinspoon1010 said:
i find it funny how you say i didn't have it because its rare ? this is the reason why avoid these threads in the first place. you didn't see the plants so cant say if it was or not. being struck by lightening is rare but it still happens. i don't have hops in the area. i just signed up to this site to share my experience of what me and a few others seen in my plants that fit the description of TMV. and it started to spread from touching others until the whole room had signs of it. so i suggest before you start throwing out whats real and whats fake accusations you should remember that just because you or your friends have not seen it, it doesn't mean its not there. and who knows maybe it was a different virus that shows the exact same trade marks. either way it fucked the grow.
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I'm actually thinking mine might have been ph fluctuations bc it's not doing that weird shit on the leafs and that plant is touch 2 other plants and those other 2 plants are touching everything else.IMG_20180209_200849.jpg
 
510grower510

510grower510

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DrGrinspoon1010 said:
i find it funny how you say i didn't have it because its rare ? this is the reason why avoid these threads in the first place. you didn't see the plants so cant say if it was or not. being struck by lightening is rare but it still happens. i don't have hops in the area. i just signed up to this site to share my experience of what me and a few others seen in my plants that fit the description of TMV. and it started to spread from touching others until the whole room had signs of it. so i suggest before you start throwing out whats real and whats fake accusations you should remember that just because you or your friends have not seen it, it doesn't mean its not there. and who knows maybe it was a different virus that shows the exact same trade marks. either way it fucked the grow.
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I take everything with a grain of salt on the Internet. Everyone told me with mites that I was screwed that I was totally funked and flower but I cannot find one single mite. Everyone has phD's in bullshiting. And opinions are like a** holes everyone has one. But because I'm new to this I tried to take everyone's advice into consideration
 
510grower510

510grower510

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And if I actually have mites they must be doing something special to my plans because they are growing amazing And look even better
 
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DrGrinspoon1010

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Fractured but whole said:
this is how you know it IS NOT tmv. ALL your plants would get infected if it was.
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yeah mine looked totally different than yours, they don't look too bad and to be fair the bottom leaves are darker which shows me its not much of a deficiency but could be more of a lockout or ph problems, its normally a lockout from buildup of salts ect, ive had it before and just used Epsom salts to level out the ph after i flushed it with plain water a couple of times. it took about a week to get the colour back, hope this helps. ps have you tested the run off, also what ph is the water you are feeding mate
 
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DrGrinspoon1010

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also mites can be treated with mightywash, especially as yours is in veg and then once grow is finished you can bleach the grow and start from fresh. its hard when you start out as every little thing starts a worry, ive been there. i remember my first dwc i was checking the ph every couple of hours and would do a complete res change if it read slightly out lol. wasted a lot of time and nutes but its all learning, my experience with mites is that they almost resemble the effects of TMV. when i seen mites the made the leaf almost blistered with a shine to it and they curled in at the bottom slightly. at first we thought they had nitrogen claw ( too much nitrogen ) but then they formed blisters or bumps ad went shiny. as i said lockout is very common. especially in soil and beginners. very easy to fix and not too much to worry about if you take action. peace
 
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