TMV VIRUS?

510grower510

510grower510

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DrGrinspoon1010 said:
yeah mine looked totally different than yours, they don't look too bad and to be fair the bottom leaves are darker which shows me its not much of a deficiency but could be more of a lockout or ph problems, its normally a lockout from buildup of salts ect, ive had it before and just used Epsom salts to level out the ph after i flushed it with plain water a couple of times. it took about a week to get the colour back, hope this helps. ps have you tested the run off, also what ph is the water you are feeding mate
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I feed at 6.8 and run off is 6.4-6.6
 
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DrGrinspoon1010

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So the soil ph is aroun 6.3 ish, I know this sounds strange but a lot of the best soil grows I did I never even adjusted my ph, my tap water was 7.1 and I use to just feed it with the nutes at half strength then as it dried I would give plain water with a bit more runoff then after that dried I would go nutes again and do the same, it’s kind of a mini flush after every feed, I got to hitting a gram per watt with this after taking a clone from a gdp plant I had, not amazing but not bad for soil, 4plants per light, canna Flores, cannazyme, pk13/14 and headmasta, can use boost if needed but didn’t really notice the yield differences, 60% humidity and dropped to 40% as flowers get bigger, to be fair I hate soil now, seems to be a breeding ground for problems, a lot of people now like organic but don’t realize that a plant breaks down all nutrients into organic matter before taking it in, unless using pesticides and other sprays i honestly don’t think anyone can tell the difference( my opinion).. bit of a side track but hope all works for you
 
Dr. Who

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DrGrinspoon1010 said:
i find it funny how you say i didn't have it because its rare ? this is the reason why avoid these threads in the first place. you didn't see the plants so cant say if it was or not. being struck by lightening is rare but it still happens. i don't have hops in the area. i just signed up to this site to share my experience of what me and a few others seen in my plants that fit the description of TMV. and it started to spread from touching others until the whole room had signs of it. so i suggest before you start throwing out whats real and whats fake accusations you should remember that just because you or your friends have not seen it, it doesn't mean its not there. and who knows maybe it was a different virus that shows the exact same trade marks. either way it fucked the grow.
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In almost 45 years of growing, personally.
Between 12 different growers, all with over 11 to 40 years growing cannabis.
Over 300+ samples sent in from our and others plants.
NEVER one single positive for TMV or a "tabacco" related viral.

This professor (we've dealt with 2 now) says that cannabis does not get TMV of any type. Nor any Sunn Hemp virus....He could not even find recorded examples of any TMV in hemp....
He did say that you can get Hemp mosaic virus HMV, OR Hemp streak virus HSV. He also said you can get any viral associated with Hops. While legal experimenting with cannabis family plants are regulated and limited. They do do some work with hemp and plenty with hops. Neither of which, from direct contact application of the TMV family of viral's. Contracted the disease in these trials.

He further stated that TMV can infect up to 9 different plant family's... Cannabis has long been thought to be part of the Hops (Humulas sp) family, and the Nettle family before that. They helped discover that by Genetic sequencing and DNA analysis. That cannabis has roots in the former Celtidaceae family. It was then combined with newer findings that make the family group larger in that the former family's of plants it was thought to come from. Be formed into it's own family group. That family group now contains the Cannabaceae, Humulas, and Celtis under this one family . This family contains only just over 150 species of plants (Most of them from the Celtis group, and those are trees = little over 100 species).

Mosaic viral's are all contained in the Geminiviridae family of plant virus's (mostly mosaic's). This group is broken into 9 different genera, containing a little over 360 viral species. Each of these viral's can infect only specific genera's.....Guess what? The professor states that TMV and the tobacco related virals. Have yet to be shown in any TRUE testing to effect the cannabis related group!

He further goes on to state that in "your" industry today (Growing medical Mj). Some of the new hot beds of growing in the middle of the country. Are experiencing a fast resurgence of Hemp related viral's. He states that the burgeoning cannabis specific growing supply industry has taken notice, and that less then honest individuals are making large profits by selling ineffective viral "test's" and "cure's." These are woefully overpriced and the nutrient companies are taking notice and some are planing to breach that market. He says the the owner of AN (Big Mike) is now involved in this "fear mongering" by calling the virus a TMV or Tobacco related virus, is directly tied to the over, and incorrectly stated volume of internet misdiagnoses by inexperienced and uneducated guru's of growing drugs for profit. He says that is to be expected, as it's expanding by those not KNOWING, and simply guessing by already incorrect posting of photo's and conjecture.

So then. Cannabis does not get "Tobacco" virals! That genera of viral's do not effect the 150 plant strains that make up the family that cannabis is in!
He states this firmly and points to the viral trials of hops from these "Hemp" viral's breaking back out from the increased growing of Cannabis and Hops for the burgeoning markets of craft brewing and medical/recreational Mj growing....

This is science at work here ^^^.

Not uneducated, internet folklore!

So NO, you did not have a "TMV"! You most likely had a HMV or a Hop related viral.....

Looking on the net to "see' what your problem is. Comes with a large section of misinformation..

I hope I cleared that up for you.

I apologize if I offended you.

I have a great aversion to coming in this and the newbie thread for just this reason.
I get tired of those with soft skins and the need to argue with next to no "proof" of what they claim ("But, I saw it on the net, and that's what it "looks" like!)

I'm curt and to the point. I try not to be so intolerant anymore. Ya'all gotta get over it when I am.

PEACE
 
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Dr. Who

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510grower510 said:
I'm actually thinking mine might have been ph fluctuations bc it's not doing that weird shit on the leafs and that plant is touch 2 other plants and those other 2 plants are touching everything else.View attachment 4088122
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The early pictures of that one plant with the problem.
Show classic early and light infestation of Broad mites.... I was wrong when I said advanced infestation - I thought you posted the later pics as yours (MY bad!).

Broad mites - attacking like that. Are easy to get rid of. Either treat them and forget them. Or simply set that plant away and run it out. They don't advance that much in that type of Broad mite.
The simplest solution? Throw that plant OUT! You have plenty!

One of the best statements on it NOT being a viral? Touching plants pass it quickly. Insects can spread some viral's and simply touching the infected plant and then touching others. Infects those you touched. It's NOT a mosaic virus!

By treating the plant. That lattural curl and discoloring. Will NOT go away. It WILL stop spreading within the plant and others that may have them...

I hope you read the answer to the other guy, I gave above...^^^^^^

I've had exactly what you show in your pictures! I treated it like I suggested, and it worked!

So, it's your choice on to believe me or not..... I say trust me on this one....

Good luck....
 
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DrGrinspoon1010

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Dr. Who said:
In almost 45 years of growing, personally.
Between 12 different growers, all with over 11 to 40 years growing cannabis.
Over 300+ samples sent in from our and others plants.
NEVER one single positive for TMV or a "tabacco" related viral.

This professor (we've dealt with 2 now) says that cannabis does not get TMV of any type. Nor any Sunn Hemp virus....He could not even find recorded examples of any TMV in hemp....
He did say that you can get Hemp mosaic virus HMV, OR Hemp streak virus HSV. He also said you can get any viral associated with Hops. While legal experimenting with cannabis family plants are regulated and limited. They do do some work with hemp and plenty with hops. Neither of which, from direct contact application of the TMV family of viral's. Contracted the disease in these trials.

He further stated that TMV can infect up to 9 different plant family's... Cannabis has long been thought to be part of the Hops (Humulas sp) family, and the Nettle family before that. They helped discover that by Genetic sequencing and DNA analysis. That cannabis has roots in the former Celtidaceae family. It was then combined with newer findings that make the family group larger in that the former family's of plants it was thought to come from. Be formed into it's own family group. That family group now contains the Cannabaceae, Humulas, and Celtis under this one family . This family contains only just over 150 species of plants (Most of them from the Celtis group, and those are trees = little over 100 species).

Mosaic viral's are all contained in the Geminiviridae family of plant virus's (mostly mosaic's). This group is broken into 9 different genera, containing a little over 360 viral species. Each of these viral's can infect only specific genera's.....Guess what? The professor states that TMV and the tobacco related virals. Have yet to be shown in any TRUE testing to effect the cannabis related group!

He further goes on to state that in "your" industry today (Growing medical Mj). Some of the new hot beds of growing in the middle of the country. Are experiencing a fast resurgence of Hemp related viral's. He states that the burgeoning cannabis specific growing supply industry has taken notice, and that less then honest individuals are making large profits by selling ineffective viral "test's" and "cure's." These are woefully overpriced and the nutrient companies are taking notice and some are planing to breach that market. He says the the owner of AN (Big Mike) is now involved in this "fear mongering" by calling the virus a TMV or Tobacco related virus, is directly tied to the over, and incorrectly stated volume of internet misdiagnoses by inexperienced and uneducated guru's of growing drugs for profit. He says that is to be expected, as it's expanding by those not KNOWING, and simply guessing by already incorrect posting by photo's and conjecture.

So then. Cannabis does not get "Tobacco" virals! That genera of viral's do not effect the 150 plant strains that make up the family that cannabis is in!
He states this firmly and points to the viral trials of hops from these "Hemp" viral's breaking back out from the increased growing of Cannabis and Hops for the burgeoning markets of craft brewing and medical/recreational Mj growing....

This is science at work here ^^^.

Not uneducated, internet folklore!

So NO, you did not have a "TMV"! You most likely had a HMV or a Hop related viral.....

Looking on the net to "see' what your problem is. Comes with a large section of misinformation..

I hope I cleared that up for you.

I apologize if I offended you.

I have a great aversion to coming in this and the newbie thread for just this reason.
I get tired of those with soft skins and the need to argue with next to no "proof" of what they claim ("But, I saw it on the net, and that's what it "looks" like!)

I'm curt and to the point. I try not to be so intolerant anymore. Ya'all gotta get over it when I am.

PEACE
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Fair shout, possibly HMV or maybe some type of mosaic virus, or maybe not. I’m not a 100% sure so I can’t state it as fact, I first thought broad mites but couldn’t see any for love or money with a 100x scope looking for hours on end, and it just looked slightly different, and I apologize if I sounded annoyed ( still feel the pain from losing those chem d and blue dreams , on another note have any of you tried nuke em for broad mites, I’ve heard good things. And your right mighty wash will not treat broad mites but is good for spider mites .. peace ✌
 
Dr. Who

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DrGrinspoon1010 said:
Fair shout, possibly HMV or maybe some type of mosaic virus, or maybe not. I’m not a 100% sure so I can’t state it as fact, I first thought broad mites but couldn’t see any for love or money with a 100x scope looking for hours on end, and it just looked slightly different, and I apologize if I sounded annoyed ( still feel the pain from losing those chem d and blue dreams , on another note have any of you tried nuke em for broad mites, I’ve heard good things. And your right mighty wash will not treat broad mites but is good for spider mites .. peace ✌
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Thank you.....I still pick the B mites....

In any plant that may get a HMV related viral. Skip the damn expensive treatments (they don't cure, but only slow it, so it can finish). Toss the fuckers and use a heavy bleach sanitizing solution on your WHOLE grow operation. Spray down EVERYTHING, all surfaces! Wash all your clothes too....Then start over. If that fails and it comes back.

Sad to say this but, moving is going to be the only solution then.
 
510grower510

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DirtyEyeball696 said:
Most definitely broad mites
1 solution
Forbid 4f, expensive but a better alternative than mighty wash that the grow shops like to push


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Y'all funny as hell with mites. I don't have mites we can "x" that out of the convo. I checked and double checked and triple checked and then checked again and still no sign of 1 mite or mite damage. They are growing crazy fast and look amazing. ITS NOT MITES!
 
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DrGrinspoon1010

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Dr. Who said:
Thank you.....I still pick the B mites....

In any plant that may get a HMV related viral. Skip the damn expensive treatments (they don't cure, but only slow it, so it can finish). Toss the fuckers and use a heavy bleach sanitizing solution on your WHOLE grow operation. Spray down EVERYTHING, all surfaces! Wash all your clothes too....Then start over. If that fails and it comes back.

Sad to say this but, moving is going to be the only solution then.
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Was that your advice for b mites aswell? Or just virus related incidents, I have not had b mites ( or at least think I haven’t) would “nuke em” be a good preventative after room has been cleaned ect ? Just interested as a lot of people claim it’s good but you never know who is trying to push the product, from your messages I can tell your not a sales rep lol ✌
 
DirtyEyeball696

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510grower510 said:
Y'all funny as hell with mites. I don't have mites we can "x" that out of the convo. I checked and double checked and triple checked and then checked again and still no sign of 1 mite or mite damage. They are growing crazy fast and look amazing. ITS NOT MITES!
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They are very small, you will most definitely need a scope to see them


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