Jeff Sessions Weed law etc

[Dr Magill]

Actually I'm not really too worried but that is at the personal level. The man ain't gonna fuck with me because I have not much going on. It's a fucking hobby. If they do I will have lost all faith. I really have a lot of empathy for those who have really bought in - sold the farm - and are getting after it. These guys are really on the hook. I hope it all works out and they make BANK!!

 

[chemphlegm]

keeping it real...

statistical rarity
card holder following the law, 5 patients, 15 ounces, 72 plants getting raided...just doesnt happen very often in our system, not enough to shake about.

there are no big caregivers. serving five patients per Act is acceptable. Be funny to jump on a cg serving five patients
with 12 sick plants and
with a gram a week aye. nobody knows the amount of weed grown, used, transferred. only the number of patients and plants allowed.

 

[racerboy71]

“Caregivers” are registered with the Dept. of Health.


This is the “Catch 22” with “legalization”. In order to get your commercial grow Licensed, you have to have your facility zoned and inspected, which means divulging the location of your grow to the State. Don’t get zoned/Licensed for whatever reason, they’ve got your number, and will shut you down when they see fit. Now, the State/County doesn’t have to use their resources to shut down the “illegal” grows, they can just pass the collected info on to the Feds. This makes “action against” far more likely as “shutdown” of tax evading (black market “feeding”) illegal grows is just a phone call away (at least, in “Legal” States), and the Feds need to justify greater funding for “The War on Drugs”.

caregivers being registered with the states, is that strictly a state by state thing odin, or is that law in every mmj state? like i said earlier, i was pretty sure that people in michigan had to sign up with the three m, which is where they get their legal papers from, after getting a rec from a dr.. again, i wasn't 100% sure on this, but i've hung around the michigan thread on here quite a bit when it was pretty active, and that is the gist of things as i understood them. of course i could have had it all twisted.. thanks for the info..

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

keeping it real...

statistical rarity
card holder following the law, 5 patients, 15 ounces, 72 plants getting raided...just doesnt happen very often in our system, not enough to shake about.

there are no big caregivers. serving five patients per Act is acceptable. Be funny to jump on a cg serving five patients
with 12 sick plants and
with a gram a week aye. nobody knows the amount of weed grown, used, transferred. only the number of patients and plants allowed.

Happens a lot out here. And regardless of outcome family services gets involved. I see very little news reported about it out here on the west coast of Michigan.

I never registered as caregiver since they busted the dispensary I worked with 2 years ago.

Local cop we know said the state police had a list they were working on back then. A list of caregivers in the area. Imagine that. The law breaking the law. Lol

My caregiver was raided. A friend with only his wife registered as a patient was raided. And he knew of raids too.

It will be much worse when they go Rec.

Sorry bud. I would feel safer in an illegal state at this point. At least no one would have a record of me.

I have much invested here now like you. I would lose my last chance after I finally was comfortable again after all these years of illness and fear.

Please don’t take my paranoia as anything but paranoia.

For now.

When I was a drug dealer many many years ago it was the mayor of Atlantic City and his police force that ran things.


I have very low levels of trust unfortunately from my experiences.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

caregivers being registered with the states, is that strictly a state by state thing odin, or is that law in every mmj state? like i said earlier, i was pretty sure that people in michigan had to sign up with the three m, which is where they get their legal papers from, after getting a rec from a dr.. again, i wasn't 100% sure on this, but i've hung around the michigan thread on here quite a bit when it was pretty active, and that is the gist of things as i understood them. of course i could have had it all twisted.. thanks for the info..

Yes that is correct. And as a patient we have to report whether our plants are at our home or with our assigned caregiver. So they have the location of all the plants for every caregiver and patient.

Caregivers are responsible for more information now that we are allowed concentrates. There are labeling laws too now.

 

[racerboy71]

i'm with you michigan, the idea that i would have to register with the state in order to grow my own cannabis in the state of michigan just never sat right with me.. again, i don't live there, i'm just saying that i never personally liked the idea of my name being on a list some where telling them that i am in fact breaking federal law, btw, here's my name, ssn and address, and next of kin..
call me paranoid, but at least in an illegal state, i'm not telling the government or whoever that i'm breaking federal law and giving up all of my info to them. of course i'm not protected by having a mmj card, but as we all know, that hasn't meant that you are 100% in the clear in a lot of areas any way.

 

[horribleherk]

I've been a California med card holder for 8 years now I don't know all the how's & whys but my understanding is 6 plants & 8 zips of product I go to a mmj dr (quack) pay the money & post the recommendation on my growroom door I've never been checked but I stay low key & don't flaunt it some towns allow only indoor , some allow indoor as well as outdoors & some don't allow anything

 

[Kingrow1]

I've been a California med card holder for 8 years now I don't know all the how's & whys but my understanding is 6 plants & 8 zips of product I go to a mmj dr (quack) pay the money & post the recommendation on my growroom door I've never been checked but I stay low key & don't flaunt it some towns allow only indoor , some allow indoor as well as outdoors & some don't allow anything

Lol you post it on your grow room door....!

 

[horribleherk]

Lol you post it on your grow room door....!

yeah that or the wall it's a statement that it's a medical grow & if you stay within the limits I don't think you could get in enough trouble to warrant a long prison sentence but no matter what the state law says I don't think the Feds are gonna allow plantations & individual selling & last but not least I do NOT trust our government no matter who is at the helm

 

[Budley Doright]

Just look north to Canada when they first opened up mmj grows to the patient then rescinded it and ordered them shut down and were able to inspect for compliance ..... glad I didn't jump on that one lol. I know it went to court but not sure what's happening. Yup so come July we can grow four plants and pretty sure the height limit is 1 meter. I'm gonna be a tad above the limit lol.

 

[GBAUTO]

Ha! I'm sitting in my N Ga home and I just have to shake my head in disbelief. It would be a great day if the US descheduled cannabis so that I could have access to having some pain management. At this point it still means I do the same thing-grow my own and hope for some sanity to return to this F'ed up country.

 

[Richard Drysift]

I have a feeling that everything will work out in the end.

TBH always been glad to grow illegal and would hate to be legal

Totally agree. If they ever made it legal to grow in my state I would have to register or get a permit or whatever bullshit hoops they make you jump through. Then the police could inspect your grow whenever they felt like harassing someone for compliance.
This is just a return to pre-Obama levels of enforcement which is scary enough; it would be political suicide IMO for the Feds to start raiding legal grows but it actually is worse than it looks. Jeff Sessions wants doctors to drug test everyone regularly so they can "treat" people for their addictions. They would be forced into treatment whether they think they have a problem or not. A 2010 model bill written by Session's current marijuana policy adviser named Dr. Robert DuPont would have the police drug test anyone who was under suspicion of DUI and if found positive they would be charged in federal court with "internal possession of a controlled substance" in addition to the dui. Scary shit.
DuPont was a drug czar under Nixon and Ford until he was forced to resign after calling for all federal parolees to be drug tested. Then he founded a company that provides drug testing...hair follicle testing; very hard to cheat. He has lobbied for drug testing and suggested all public assistance recipients get drug tests in order to get benefits. A coincidence? I think not. Here's a really great article about it from the daily beast.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thedailybeast.com/jeff-sessions-marijuana-adviser-wants-doctors-to-drug-test-everyone

 

[SonsOfAvery]

If the law (at state level) is making something legal to do, but then requires you to register with them before doing it...that stinks of a set up.
If it's being made legal to grow, then why would they need to know your doing it?

Personally speaking, I think a lot of the laws coming into play now Will all change drastically over the next 5-10 years anyway. With legalisation comes the capitalist exploitation. As soon as a big enough infrastructure is in place for big companies to run the whole thing, then it'll all be over.
Standards/procedures for growing set to a level so as to drive out any smaller competition to the main suppliers.

 

[chemphlegm]

Hawaii sheriffs sent letters to every registered caregiver/grower in the state.
just exactly how did he get those address and names you wonder? it legal thats how.
nothing to do with Hippa.

I know some raided growers too, too many. Not ONE was compliant. the bulk of raided I know were growers selling to a dispensary, subsequent disp raid, records preserved well in a cardboard box in the corner(yep, thats where they keep your medical info, you know, for hippa and stuff) you think they would at least use biometric protections.

I know a couple raided compliant growers, one got his pistols and plants returned to him, a neighbor called for smell,
garbage was taken, weed was found, a raid happened.
the other was allowed to cut 9 plants and dump 4 oz of weed on his front lawn and was warned,
Another was growing a large plot outside, sherriff was there all the time. It wasnt fenced, covered or compliant.
We drove by last summer and the sheriffs were assisting the grower while putting chicken wire over the top!

Our local DTF held a meeting, about a hundred fifty people at city hall, stunk of skunk. He looked at us all and smiled, said he'd been in many of our homes in the past and told us how to avoid ever seeing him again. he was truthful to date.

when I built my facility I was required to invite fire, police, dtf, city electrical insp, building inspection too.
The first time they inspected I had no plants but rooms were on full cycle. I was slated to care for confiscated plants while
court cases concluded(cant destroy someones meds without a guilty?) Police were totally on board. They've seen me at city hall speaking to other growers, at the grow store demonstrating my Tamisiums, artificial seed planting, long term clonal storage/culture- before and after 2008.
They call me by name now. I dont trust them of course. but no longer afraid of them or anyone else cannabis related.

I'm sure demographics play hard but so far they all have eluded to other crimes unsolved, missing kids, oxycontin stories, etc.
some of them use cannabis too, without a card even of course.

 

[dandyrandy]

Remember Nixon, 1970? I do. It was personal. CSA

 

[Budley Doright]

If the law (at state level) is making something legal to do, but then requires you to register with them before doing it...that stinks of a set up.
If it's being made legal to grow, then why would they need to know your doing it?

Personally speaking, I think a lot of the laws coming into play now Will all change drastically over the next 5-10 years anyway. legalisation comes the capitalist exploitation. As soon as a big enough infrastructure is in place for big companies to run the whole thing, then it'll all be over.
Standards/procedures for growing set to a level so as to drive out any smaller competition to the main suppliers.

Ya here that big buisness is the Ontario government who will be the sole distributor of all rec pot. Didn't have to fight competition they just made a law lol. Like a cartel without the killings.

 

[Stink Bug]

I think thats where im lost, does this mean that if you get caught with weed in a legal state you can now be arrested and charged or not?

Forgive me for being a bit slow on this

Yes you can. Most likely though the charge will be a state offense. In which case you will go to court only to have the charges dismissed. Just a waste of time and money. Case dismissed or not, you have no protection from the RICO Act. Feds can seize your property.

 

[cookie master]

this is what snoop dog gets when he makes an ass of himself. Snoop fucked everyone up. All the shithead millionaires who invested heavily are going to jail now. But they already got rich, so they will have money when they get out..
ASME certified means jailtime if you are on the books, look at the glacier asme sales, they already know the tag is meaningless because metal spools already hold those pressures.I think they showed mike tyson breaking ground on a 40 acre pot farm- please dont go to jail again Mike.

 

[Stink Bug]

caregivers being registered with the states, is that strictly a state by state thing odin, or is that law in every mmj state? like i said earlier, i was pretty sure that people in michigan had to sign up with the three m, which is where they get their legal papers from, after getting a rec from a dr.. again, i wasn't 100% sure on this, but i've hung around the michigan thread on here quite a bit when it was pretty active, and that is the gist of things as i understood them. of course i could have had it all twisted.. thanks for the info..

LARA handles the MMJ records in Michigan. Yes you do register with them to receive you card and/or caregiver card.

 

[cookie master]

trump isnt against caregivers. hes against cartels and rich hollywood types taking advantage of legalization so many rich fucks are willing to get ito this thing once its legal, and they are worth nothing to the consumer. Like dumbass snoop dog, hes running tons of rooms but his weed is probably soaked in pesticide unless its personal- snoop dont give a fuck about your health.\Trump aint gonna sit by and let snoop flaunt his nonsense He is a felon and ill bet theres gonna be a conviction of snoop because he is absolutely guilty and was being a dumbass.