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[Heisengrow]

Yea I'm pretty sure it's not a very good light but I used it prior to this grow and it did good at 2 weeks last grow I had my ppm at about 600 I barely gave this plant 680 ppm at 5 weeks it was my doing. I was starving the plant on nutrients so I doubt it's my light.

Yeah man ppm is a relative term that can be used loosely.there is way more to it than that.a couple extra ML of calmag can add 100 ppm.no real world difference between 600 and 680 lol.its all about what drives your ppm and what' in it.you can' say ppm like it' a solid number.i run around 650 - 750 but number means nothing to someone who doesnt know your formula or someone elses.that number means nothing.
Here' is 3 plants 3 weeks old that are twice the size of yours under cmh.your light sucks man.

 

[Kingkush325]

Yeah man ppm is a relative term that can be used loosely.there is way more to it than that.a couple extra ML of calmag can add 100 ppm.no real world difference between 600 and 680 lol.its all about what drives your ppm and what' in it.you can' say ppm like it' a solid number.i run around 650 - 750 but number means nothing to someone who doesnt know your formula or someone elses.that number means nothing.
Here' is 3 plants 3 weeks old that are twice the size of yours under cmh.your light sucks man.

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Yea you have a point it just seems like that is my only explanation I'm using exact same nutrients as last grow and same light only diffrence is the amount of nutrients that I'm giving this plant were much lower than last run. This same light produced a little over 4 ounces for just personal use not trying to get rich here lol this was my last grow at about 4 weeks so like I said I doubt it's my light

 

[Kingkush325]

Yeah man ppm is a relative term that can be used loosely.there is way more to it than that.a couple extra ML of calmag can add 100 ppm.no real world difference between 600 and 680 lol.its all about what drives your ppm and what' in it.you can' say ppm like it' a solid number.i run around 650 - 750 but number means nothing to someone who doesnt know your formula or someone elses.that number means nothing.
Here' is 3 plants 3 weeks old that are twice the size of yours under cmh.your light sucks man.

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And here is one right before harvest

 

[Heisengrow]

Yeah weight and vigor of a plant is also bound to genetics.even at 5 weeks veg your plant is small and undersized.mars led sucks

 

[Kingkush325]

Yeah weight and vigor of a plant is also bound to genetics.even at 5 weeks veg your plant is small and undersized.mars led sucks

Do you think that me lollipopping it at week2 and again at week4 had something to do with it I been taking a lot of fan leafs off so basically been stunting it and than again maybe it is the light was on a budget what light do you recommend that won' cost an arm and a leg. Prefer led

 

[Heisengrow]

Do you think that me lollipopping it at week2 and again at week4 had something to do with it I been taking a lot of fan leafs off so basically been stunting it and than again maybe it is the light was on a budget what light do you recommend that won' cost an arm and a leg. Prefer led

Not sure I don't fool with led.i run 315 CMH and HPS.if I'm gonna spend the time and effort of 3 months I want the most out of my space.ive heard alot of folks say mars sucks and I can see why.i know guys swear by Cobs and the diy kits.do a bunch of research and see what u come up with.i run 2 315 w cmh in open wing over a 4x5 and pull over a pound easy consistently in recirculating dwc.my last pull was 24 ounces on 3 plants and 630 watts total.the quality of the bud is up there to.there something about that full spectrum bulb that makes them buds killer.

 

[Kingkush325]

Damn it lol yea I see the product bro that shit is crazy you have your shit down I'm just starting I really want to invest in a kind led 600 watt heard that is the way to go for people who like led but we will see im still learning lol but if everthing goes good ill send you an update just for shits and Giggles

 

[Heisengrow]

Damn it lol yea I see the product bro that shit is crazy you have your shit down I'm just starting I really want to invest in a kind led 600 watt heard that is the way to go for people who like led but we will see im still learning lol but if everthing goes good ill send you an update just for shits and Giggles

Naw man COB is the way to go.the Cree leds are what I'm seeing guys pill some good shit with.
Unless you spend the money on fluence I wouldn' waste my money on anything from kind or mars.
Do about a weeks worth of research on different forums.
My twin 315s cost me hardly shit and put out little heat.

 

[Kingkush325]

Naw man COB is the way to go.the Cree leds are what I'm seeing guys pill some good shit with.
Unless you spend the money on fluence I wouldn' waste my money on anything from kind or mars.
Do about a weeks worth of research on different forums.
My twin 315s cost me hardly shit and put out little heat.

Cree led ? Haven't heard of it bout to look into it real quick

 

[Heisengrow]

You have to understand a plant uptakes it' nutrients through the amount of water it drinks every light cycle.ppm just sets the intensity of the solution.the amount of solution they drink is dependent on temp and humidity as well as light intensity.you have to dial in that balance of ppm vs how much the plant needs with what it is drinking.if your plant drinks a half gallon a day at 600 ppm and mine drink 1 gallon a day at 300 ppm it doesn' mean that there getting the same amount.it means you have to dial them in.
It's impossible to dial them in without a top off res.you have to have the same ppm going in thats being taken out by the plant.if the ppm drops in 12 hours of light that means your plant is absorbing more nutrient than water.jf the ppm goes up than the plant is drinking more water and less nutrient.hou have to monitor that to dial them in

 

[Kingkush325]

You have to understand a plant uptakes it' nutrients through the amount of water it drinks every light cycle.ppm just sets the intensity of the solution.the amount of solution they drink is dependent on temp and humidity as well as light intensity.you have to dial in that balance of ppm vs how much the plant needs with what it is drinking.if your plant drinks a half gallon a day at 600 ppm and mine drink 1 gallon a day at 300 ppm it doesn' mean that there getting the same amount.it means you have to dial them in.
It's impossible to dial them in without a top off res.you have to have the same ppm going in thats being taken out by the plant.if the ppm drops in 12 hours of light that means your plant is absorbing more nutrient than water.jf the ppm goes up than the plant is drinking more water and less nutrient.hou have to monitor that to dial them in

So if my plant is drinking more water and less nutrient what should I do? And what does it mean if she is drinking more water than nutrients? My ppm does go higher after a day or two.

 

[Heisengrow]

So if my plant is drinking more water and less nutrient what should I do? And what does it mean if she is drinking more water than nutrients? My ppm does go higher after a day or two.

If your ppm is raising than that means it is drinking more water and absorbing less nutrients.the ppm is to high.in DWC less is usually better.if your ppm is 500 and you check the next day and its 450 than that means they are taking more nutrient than what's available.if it levels off for 48 hours with no ups or downs than that' where u wanna be.i use a top off res with a float valve as does alot of experienced DWC growers but that' is in recirculating cause I use a control bucket.not sure u could use one in single buckets.
I always try to match my ppm to what' is going in compared to what the bucket tells me.my ppm is around 700 but that means nothing to anyone else cause they don' know what my nutes are.it could be 1000 ppm of just calmag and that doesn't tell anyone shit.
I use gen hydro part a and b and calmag that's it.i use liquid koolbloom after 3 weeks into flower and dry the last 2 weeks.i don' use a ot of extra additives and all that extra bullshit.light is what plants truly eat man.nutes just build the plant material.

 

[Kingkush325]

If your ppm is raising than that means it is drinking more water and absorbing less nutrients.the ppm is to high.in DWC less is usually better.if your ppm is 500 and you check the next day and its 450 than that means they are taking more nutrient than what's available.if it levels off for 48 hours with no ups or downs than that' where u wanna be.i use a top off res with a float valve as does alot of experienced DWC growers but that' is in recirculating cause I use a control bucket.not sure u could use one in single buckets.
I always try to match my ppm to what' is going in compared to what the bucket tells me.my ppm is around 700 but that means nothing to anyone else cause they don' know what my nutes are.it could be 1000 ppm of just calmag and that doesn't tell anyone shit.
I use gen hydro part a and b and calmag that's it.i use liquid koolbloom after 3 weeks into flower and dry the last 2 weeks.i don' use a ot of extra additives and all that extra bullshit.light is what plants truly eat man.nutes just build the plant material.

Thanks bro that is some very good info you just gave me trial and error is what will make me better. I'm about to check ppm levels right now . And I am looking at getting the Cree led 1200 it looks like a very good investment was just watching some vids on it and the par readings are crazy good.

 

[Heisengrow]

Thanks bro that is some very good info you just gave me trial and error is what will make me better. I'm about to check ppm levels right now . And I am looking at getting the Cree led 1200 it looks like a very good investment was just watching some vids on it and the par readings are crazy good.

Yeah man they are nice if your going with led.all them Chinese put together leds like kind and mars are for newbs.

 

[Kingkush325]

Yeah man they are nice if your going with led.all them Chinese put together leds like kind and mars are for newbs.

Ok bro I just checked my ppm 2 days ago it was 688 now it is 715 what do I do and also what do you like to keep your ph levels at? Also do you let it fluctuate or do you keep it at a set ph the whole grow ?

 

[Heisengrow]

Ok bro I just checked my ppm 2 days ago it was 688 now it is 715 what do I do and also what do you like to keep your ph levels at? Also do you let it fluctuate or do you keep it at a set ph the whole grow ?

I would bring the ppm down to 600 and see where it drifts to but you could also have to much of one other nutrient they are not eating.
I always run RO water and put in around 4 ML of calmag first before anything.than I work up my part A and B of floraduo.around 450 for seedlings and after 10 days I go up.once the plants are hitting there 5th set of nodes im up around 600 and full veg with flip around 750.but I watch the plants also.they tell me when it' to high or to low.i normally find that half of what the nute company recommends is good in DWC.i have ran several strains with floraduo it is usually always half of what they say on the schedule.
Calmag is very important also cause it makes your nutes mobile.the plant has to have it to move nutes through the plant.

 

[Kingkush325]

I would bring the ppm down to 600 and see where it drifts to but you could also have to much of one other nutrient they are not eating.
I always run RO water and put in around 4 ML of calmag first before anything.than I work up my part A and B of floraduo.around 450 for seedlings and after 10 days I go up.once the plants are hitting there 5th set of nodes im up around 600 and full veg with flip around 750.but I watch the plants also.they tell me when it' to high or to low.i normally find that half of what the nute company recommends is good in DWC.i have ran several strains with floraduo it is usually always half of what they say on the schedule.
Calmag is very important also cause it makes your nutes mobile.the plant has to have it to move nutes through the plant.

K sounds like a plan I was told that while in veg they like more nitrogen so I been giving it a hair more but also rapid root and that is mainly nitrogen my last feed was this the micro is mainly nitrogen that' why I gave 1 ml more each feeding

 

[Heisengrow]

K sounds like a plan I was told that while in veg they like more nitrogen so I been giving it a hair more but also rapid root and that is mainly nitrogen my last feed was this the micro is mainly nitrogen that'View attachment 4063614 why I gave 1 ml more each feeding

What are you doing with micro?the floraduo cut out the micro by making it a 2 part.theres no micro unless your getting old bottles from like 2 years ago.the rapid start is a waste of money.ive used it with and without and saw no difference whatsoever besides cleaner roots without it.
Floraduo is all u need man.2 parts and calmag and your set to go.2 to 1 in veg 1 to 1 in transition and 1 to 2 in flower

 

[Kingkush325]

What are you doing with micro?the floraduo cut out the micro by making it a 2 part.theres no micro unless your getting old bottles from like 2 years ago.the rapid start is a waste of money.ive used it with and without and saw no difference whatsoever besides cleaner roots without it.

What I have is ph perfect technology nutrients 3 different base nutrients micro grow and bloom

 

[Kingkush325]

What are you doing with micro?the floraduo cut out the micro by making it a 2 part.theres no micro unless your getting old bottles from like 2 years ago.the rapid start is a waste of money.ive used it with and without and saw no difference whatsoever besides cleaner roots without it.
Floraduo is all u need man.2 parts and calmag and your set to go.2 to 1 in veg 1 to 1 in transition and 1 to 2 in flower

Also next grow I have some botanicare that I am testing out heard the yield isnt there but the quality is with botanicare .