Another mass shooting.

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schuylaar

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st0wandgrow said:
What you’re ignoring is that this problem simply does not exist in other countries. This is a uniquely American issue.

Sure, people will always kill others. Like was pointed out, they could even use a spork to get it done. But, a spork will not mow down 50 people in a matter of seconds. Only a gun can accomplish that.

Like foggy said, the ball is in the gun advocates court. You can either push your elected leaders to make some meaningful changes, or it will be done for you by the anti-gun crowd (which is an ever growing majority). I have a hunch that you would not like the result of those changes...
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because capitalism is at all costs- including its citizens.

as long as lobby vote counts over a citizens vote? this is what you're going to have.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
As was mentioned earlier, you probably wouldn’t like the changes made if it were left up to someone like me...

Personally I’d support something similar to what Australia did, but that’s not likely to happen, so I’d settle for *some* of the following:

Eliminate high capacity weapons. There is no need for a gun to have the ability to fire 10+ bullets at a time. If you can’t kill a deer or disable a “bad guy” in less than 10 shots, then you shouldn’t own a gun. There should be universal background checks on EVERY gun sale. I’d also like to see a registry. Every gun purchased has a unique serial number, and that gets recorded in a nationwide database. There should also be limits on how many guns an individual/household can own. There is no need for one person to own dozens of guns. Gun collector? Find a new hobby. Your pastime is less important than someone’s life.

I’d support mandatory storage laws as well, with extremely stiff penalties if your gun is not properly stored while not being used, or is stolen. If your gun is used in the commission of a crime by the person who stole it, you face the same charges as the person who committed the crime. Maybe that would incentivize people to properly store their weapons.

I’m sure some of that seems looney tunes to you, but something needs to be done. I’ve never owned a gun, but I’ve always said that I supported people’s right to own them...I’m really starting to reconsider that position.
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Did you notice how no response from the gun enthusiasts? I think your list would be a good start. I'd add a 25% tax on all ammunition and on gun sales whether used or new, private sale, gun show or gun shop designated to pay for background checks, data collection and safety/storage education and enforcement. The %amount of the tax to be reviewed and increased or decreased according to how well gun related accidents or crimes causing homicides or injuries compare to benchmark countries. Make the gun industry and its customers pay for the programs. It might give them incentive to clean up their act. Clearly, at this time they don't give a shit.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Fogdog said:
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Did you notice how no response from the gun enthusiasts? I think your list would be a good start. I'd add a 25% tax on all ammunition and on gun sales whether used or new, private sale, gun show or gun shop designated to pay for background checks, data collection and safety/storage education and enforcement. The %amount of the tax to be reviewed and increased or decreased according to how well gun related accidents or crimes causing homicides or injuries compare to benchmark countries. Make the gun industry and its customers pay for the programs. It might give them incentive to clean up their act. Clearly, at this time they don't give a shit.
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I haven't had time to respond. Been deer hunting. With a shotgun actually. I'm in brush.

I will respond to what stow said. I'm ok with most of what he said. With the exception of the ten round thing. Some guns like a marlin .22 hold 16. My pistols hold 10-12.

I wouldn't ban ar15 type weapons. Maybe nfa them and charge a little more like you were saying. They already have a 11% excise tax on them.

I'm willing to work at it and make some changes.

Ban bump stocks. If need be ban the larger drums that hold 45-100 rounds.

Maybe 20 round limit if one needs to be imposed.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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whitebb2727 said:
I haven't had time to respond. Been deer hunting. With a shotgun actually. I'm in brush.

I will respond to what stow said. I'm ok with most of what he said. With the exception of the ten round thing. Some guns like a marlin .22 hold 16. My pistols hold 10-12.

I wouldn't ban ar15 type weapons. Maybe nfa them and charge a little more like you were saying. They already have a 11% excise tax on them.

I'm willing to work at it and make some changes.

Ban bump stocks. If need be ban the larger drums that hold 45-100 rounds.

Maybe 20 round limit if one needs to be imposed.
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please say with slugs not buckshots
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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tangerinegreen555 said:
You think we have too many? Really? Background checks are too much to ask?

Be nice to put some money into mental health again too. Easily modified automatic weapons and crazy people =84 dead in the last 35 days. And those were just the high profile cases.
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Yes, it would be. But they won't. It is just a salve to fool their fans and redirect the argument. Besides, mental health care is typically voluntary and people who are inclined to shoot a few dozen people are not likely to seek it out.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Unclebaldrick said:
Yes, it would be. But they won't. It is just a salve to fool their fans and redirect the argument. Besides, mental health care is typically voluntary and people who are inclined to shoot a few dozen people are not likely to seek it out.
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I was thinking of the church shooter with a history back to high school, military history of violent assault and threats to superior officers.

He should have been forced into a mental health program.

Of course, perfectly fine to buy weapons. Mental health isn't mentioned in the 2nd amendment. Crazy people need protect themselves from crazy people too, right?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Good discussion on gun control.

Want to be a gun collector? Curate a museum collection where the weapons are locked up or collect all you want- once they've been permanently disabled.

Ban bump stocks and any other equipment, modifications or accessories that increase the rate of fire.

15 round limit- and even that is still plenty for mass shootings- defined as 4 or more victims in a single incident.

Universal background checks. Universal registration. Tax on purchase of weapons and ammunition.

And holding the NRA legally accountable for the outrageous and inflammatory positions it holds. I'm old enough to remember when they were more interested in gun safety than political advocacy. I think they need to return to those roots- maybe they'll actually start saving more lives again.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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schuylaar said:
yeah, and they started that practice with the issuance of each bitcoin. you have to do that because there's no physical coin to hold.
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I'm sorry but neither of you get it.

It's not that they are recorded as much as they are the reward for people recording and confirming transactions in the blockchain.

That's a hugely simplistic explanation, if you want more you should go read about it yourself, if you can understand it.
 
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schuylaar

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tangerinegreen555 said:
I was thinking of the church shooter with a history back to high school, military history of violent assault and threats to superior officers.

He should have been forced into a mental health program.

Of course, perfectly fine to buy weapons. Mental health isn't mentioned in the 2nd amendment. Crazy people need protect themselves from crazy people too, right?
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/07/562607996/before-his-military-trial-texas-shooter-escaped-mental-health-facility
 
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schuylaar

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Unclebaldrick said:
Yes, it would be. But they won't. It is just a salve to fool their fans and redirect the argument. Besides, mental health care is typically voluntary and people who are inclined to shoot a few dozen people are not likely to seek it out.
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in Florida, you can Baker Act and hold for 72 hours at mental health facility.
 
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