Another mass shooting.

rkymtnman said:

oh i gotcha now.
as a responsible gun owner, i retract my statement that it is impossible, and i'll defer to my government that would be responsible for reducing gun related deaths and injuries similar to Canada with whatever policies they deem necessary.

well, i'm off for margaritas and blackjack. i'm gonna go crazy and split 10's tonite. adios!

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rkymtnman said:

oh i gotcha now.
as a responsible gun owner, i retract my statement that it is impossible, and i'll defer to my government that would be responsible for reducing gun related deaths and injuries similar to Canada with whatever policies they deem necessary.

well, i'm off for margaritas and blackjack. i'm gonna go crazy and split 10's tonite. adios!

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whitebb2727 said:

I'm all for doing something. We have talked before. I'm just not going to support an all out ban.

What do we do? I'm for strengthening background checks. Maybe treat them like an NFA item. Tax them a little more and require and more thorough background check.

I really don't want this stuff to happen. I try to be civil and discuss this and get attacked over beliefs that have nothing to do with guns. Get belittled. What good does that do?

I see a post that calls an ar15 a spray and pray weapon and then say its built for hitting helmets at 500 yards. Which is it?

The ar15 is an excellent hunting and even self defense platform. You can run .22 long rifle, 9mm and .308 rounds. They have the socom .458 and beowolf .50 which are large pistol style rounds. The pistol rounds are good for home defense. The .22 good for squirrels. The .223 or .308 good for deer.

They make .223 and 7.62 home defense rounds.

My point is I'm willing to work at it.

People seem to be ignoring that fact. I mean you can buy black powder by the case. If people want to kill they will. People have been slaughtering each other since the beginning.

There is a reason people are going on rampages. Yes. I get the ar15 is being used. I get that maybe part of it they are trying to top each others kill number.

At the bottom of it though there is a reason for the increase in mass killings.

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st0wandgrow said:

What you’re ignoring is that this problem simply does not exist in other countries. This is a uniquely American issue.

Sure, people will always kill others. Like was pointed out, they could even use a spork to get it done. But, a spork will not mow down 50 people in a matter of seconds. Only a gun can accomplish that.

Like foggy said, the ball is in the gun advocates court. You can either push your elected leaders to make some meaningful changes, or it will be done for you by the anti-gun crowd (which is an ever growing majority). I have a hunch that you would not like the result of those changes...

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Fogdog said:

Are you a blended or on the rocks guy?

Me, I'm an on the rocks type. Those blended ones give me an ice cream headache.

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st0wandgrow said:

What you’re ignoring is that this problem simply does not exist in other countries. This is a uniquely American issue.

Sure, people will always kill others. Like was pointed out, they could even use a spork to get it done. But, a spork will not mow down 50 people in a matter of seconds. Only a gun can accomplish that.

Like foggy said, the ball is in the gun advocates court. You can either push your elected leaders to make some meaningful changes, or it will be done for you by the anti-gun crowd (which is an ever growing majority). I have a hunch that you would not like the result of those changes...

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whitebb2727 said:

What's your suggestion then?

Or you going to be like fog? Leave it up to he gun owners?

I would like to year you guys suggestions. I've mentioned some.

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st0wandgrow said:

As was mentioned earlier, you probably wouldn’t like the changes made if it were left up to someone like me...

Personally I’d support something similar to what Australia did, but that’s not likely to happen, so I’d settle for *some* of the following:

Eliminate high capacity weapons. There is no need for a gun to have the ability to fire 10+ bullets at a time. If you can’t kill a deer or disable a “bad guy” in less than 10 shots, then you shouldn’t own a gun. There should be universal background checks on EVERY gun sale. I’d also like to see a registry. Every gun purchased has a unique serial number, and that gets recorded in a nationwide database. There should also be limits on how many guns an individual/household can own. There is no need for one person to own dozens of guns. Gun collector? Find a new hobby. Your pastime is less important than someone’s life.

I’d support mandatory storage laws as well, with extremely stiff penalties if your gun is not properly stored while not being used, or is stolen. If your gun is used in the commission of a crime by the person who stole it, you face the same charges as the person who committed the crime. Maybe that would incentivize people to properly store their weapons.

I’m sure some of that seems looney tunes to you, but something needs to be done. I’ve never owned a gun, but I’ve always said that I supported people’s right to own them...I’m really starting to reconsider that position.

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st0wandgrow said:

Criminals don’t obey any laws. So we should just say fuck it and have a free for all?

People don’t obey speed limits, or stop at red lights either. Should we just scrap all traffic laws that save lives because a certain percentage of people don’t follow those laws?

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st0wandgrow said:

As was mentioned earlier, you probably wouldn’t like the changes made if it were left up to someone like me...

Personally I’d support something similar to what Australia did, but that’s not likely to happen, so I’d settle for *some* of the following:

Eliminate high capacity weapons. There is no need for a gun to have the ability to fire 10+ bullets at a time. If you can’t kill a deer or disable a “bad guy” in less than 10 shots, then you shouldn’t own a gun. There should be universal background checks on EVERY gun sale. I’d also like to see a registry. Every gun purchased has a unique serial number, and that gets recorded in a nationwide database. There should also be limits on how many guns an individual/household can own. There is no need for one person to own dozens of guns. Gun collector? Find a new hobby. Your pastime is less important than someone’s life.

I’d support mandatory storage laws as well, with extremely stiff penalties if your gun is not properly stored while not being used, or is stolen. If your gun is used in the commission of a crime by the person who stole it, you face the same charges as the person who committed the crime. Maybe that would incentivize people to properly store their weapons.

I’m sure some of that seems looney tunes to you, but something needs to be done. I’ve never owned a gun, but I’ve always said that I supported people’s right to own them...I’m really starting to reconsider that position.

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st0wandgrow said:

As was mentioned earlier, you probably wouldn’t like the changes made if it were left up to someone like me...

Personally I’d support something similar to what Australia did, but that’s not likely to happen, so I’d settle for *some* of the following:

Eliminate high capacity weapons. There is no need for a gun to have the ability to fire 10+ bullets at a time. If you can’t kill a deer or disable a “bad guy” in less than 10 shots, then you shouldn’t own a gun. There should be universal background checks on EVERY gun sale. I’d also like to see a registry. Every gun purchased has a unique serial number, and that gets recorded in a nationwide database. There should also be limits on how many guns an individual/household can own. There is no need for one person to own dozens of guns. Gun collector? Find a new hobby. Your pastime is less important than someone’s life.

I’d support mandatory storage laws as well, with extremely stiff penalties if your gun is not properly stored while not being used, or is stolen. If your gun is used in the commission of a crime by the person who stole it, you face the same charges as the person who committed the crime. Maybe that would incentivize people to properly store their weapons.

I’m sure some of that seems looney tunes to you, but something needs to be done. I’ve never owned a gun, but I’ve always said that I supported people’s right to own them...I’m really starting to reconsider that position.

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UncleBuck said:

splitting tens against a 4,5 or 6 is just good strategy.

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Fogdog said:

Are you a blended or on the rocks guy?

Me, I'm an on the rocks type. Those blended ones give me an ice cream headache.

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st0wandgrow said:

What you’re ignoring is that this problem simply does not exist in other countries. This is a uniquely American issue.

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rkymtnman said:

i'm not an expert on canada and australia but did they have something similar to the 2nd in their constitutions?

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schuylaar said:

guns are money, it would be like trying to register every penny.

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ttystikk said:

Bitcoin does it.

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SneekyNinja said:

That's because it's recorded into the blockchain when mined.

Stay in lane and stfu, you don't know anything about Bitcoin or cryptograpy.

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ttystikk said:

Gee you just told me I'm right.

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