Tactics Employed by the Democratic Establishment

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
look how quickly she was recycled..DWS and you know who are waiting in the wings:
https://www.onwardtogether.org/

The pretense will be to 'draft' her..'we're doomed..there's no one else to run'..completely ignoring bernie again..muddying the waters.

this time..voters (bernie bros) are gonna go berzerk!
That's why we need a Progressive Movement. Until the Democratic Party is threatened with extinction, they won't bother to become more responsive to the needs of their constituents.

And if they don't think that the other 90%of liberal leaning Americans who aren't in upper income brackets are their constituents, that's all the more reason to have a Progressive Movement!
 

Tim Fox

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That's why we need a Progressive Movement. Until the Democratic Party is threatened with extinction, they won't bother to become more responsive to the needs of their constituents.

And if they don't think that the other 90%of liberal leaning Americans who aren't in upper income brackets are their constituents, that's all the more reason to have a Progressive Movement!
i wish for this
 

Fogdog

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@ttystikk , @schuylaar , @Tim Fox , @Padawanbater2

Do you realize that Citizens United was a Republican right wing lawsuit and the only reason they won the suit which opened the doors to today's campaign contributions corruption was because Republican appointees outnumbered Democrats on the bench by a 6-3 margin? All recent Republican appointees voted in the decision for CU. None of the Democratic appointees vote for it.

Did you know that Bernie Sanders' bill that would have repealed CU failed because of a Republican filibuster? Every Democratic Senator supported Bernies bill to repeal CU

The only reason for the current campaign financing situation, which I agree is abominable is because of Republicans. Yet you blame Democrats.

Yes, I'm calling you all fools.

Republicans are the cause of the problems of today. You tear at Democrats. It's similar to scratching at the paint of a car to punish it for the brakes failing.

I support all of Bernie's policies but want more than just economic progress. Social justice issues such as those embodied in Black Lives Matter and women's rights won't be addressed by merely improving economic conditions. Given the diversity of the candidates they support and recent successes of black men winning mayoral contests in the deep south, I think the "Our Revolution" reform effort might be more than what Bernie is. I'm watching with hope.

I have no hope in you guys. You are losers. The problems in this country are due to extreme right wing Republicans, not Democrats. Reform won't happen unless Democrats come together. You guys talk about exclusion.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
lol,, if you saw me in person i do anything but blend in anymore,, fat old, slow hahaha,, its all good man
That doesn't mean you can't blend in with the others I named.

We are neighbors, by the way. I live about two hours south of you. Agree about the homeless situation. We keep fighting with the local conservative crowd about building some housing for them so they have a chance to get it together. Access to basic needs isn't a complete answer is but expecting people to just pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they can't even get a good night's sleep, access to a privy, a shower and a meal is basically asking them to "just die already".

I have family who live in assisted living and the Republican's answer to healthcare for elderly people who can't afford it isn't much different than their answer to homeless. Cafeteria Christians who pick and choose passages in the bible to fit their world view are a pox on this society.

Respect you profession completely. We need to improve the pay for care for those who are sick, disabled and elderly too. It's an important and difficult job.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
This cunt is going to run and I hate to break it to her, George Clooney cashola ain't gonna be there this time..EVERYONE wishes she would just go away:

Hillary Clinton has taken off the "straitjacket" she says she was forced into during the 2016 Democratic primary.

In her new campaign memoir, the former presidential candidate wasn't exactly subtle about her disapproval of Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign against her for the Democratic presidential nomination, writing that Sanders, a Vermont independent, caused her "lasting damage," deepened divisions among progressives, and "pav[ed] the way for then candidate Donald Trump's 'Crooked Hillary' campaign."

While many, including Sanders, dismissed Clinton's criticism as an irritating re-hashing of a now-irrelevant battle, the divisions between Clinton's centrist wing of the Democratic Party and Sanders' more progressive (or more populist) supporters couldhave implications for Democrats in the 2018 midterms and even the 2020 presidential election.

'Purity tests'
The day after Clinton released her book, Sanders unveiled his much-anticipated single-payer healthcare plan. Short on details and ambitious in its vision, the proposal won the endorsement of 15 top Democrats, many of them likely 2020 presidential candidates.

But other party leaders, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, distanced themselves from the plan.

"We want to move the issue forward," Schumer said, adding that "there are are many different bills out there," including "many good ones" that he and other Democrats are examining.

Pelosi warned that support for a single-payer system shouldn't become a "litmus test" for Democrats.

In an interview on the liberal podcast "Pod Save America," Clinton said that while she supports the proposal as a "political statement," she doubts it's much more than a pipe dream at this point.

She also criticized the plan's lack of particulars in an interview with Vox.

"I don't know what the particulars are," Clinton told Vox. "As you might remember, during the campaign he introduced a single-payer bill every year he was in Congress — and when somebody finally read it, he couldn't explain it and couldn't really tell people how much it was going to cost."

Democratic strategist Rodell Mollineau, a co-founder of the consulting firm Rokk Solutions, echoed this skepticism.

"I believe in single-payer," he said. "I think there's a big difference between saying you support single-payer and figuring out a way to get the votes and an economic plan in order to get it passed and to pay for it."

Clinton raised the issue of ideological "purity" in her book, arguing that Sanders unfairly narrowed the progressive platform.

"It was beyond frustrating that Bernie acted as if he had a monopoly on political purity and that he had set himself up as the sole arbiter of what it meant to be progressive," she wrote, adding that Sanders simultaneously gave "short shrift to important issues such as immigration, reproductive rights, racial justice, and gun safety."

Mollineau warns that ideological tests could prove just as dangerous for more centrist candidates in 2020.

"When I hear or read that there's some folks who think that someone like a Kamala Harris might not be progressive enough to be our nominee in 2020 — now regardless of whether you support her or not, that's a ludicrous statement and it's a horrible way of applying a purity test," he said.

Steve Schale, a Florida-based Democratic strategist and former adviser to President Barack Obama in the state, says that ideological debates among progressives are not what the party needs right now.

"We're not going to win elections trying to make sure that we have 100% loyalty among 35 or 40% of the electorate, which is what Democrats are," Schale said. "We've got to have a conversation about how we grow the appeal."

Unity among liberals is important, Schale argues, but not nearly as critical as opening the party back up to those independents or one-time Democratic voters who, for a myriad of reasons, abandoned Clinton.

"It's easy to scapegoat the base, or to scapegoat Sanders voters," he said. "But the reality is that [Clinton] lost because the places Barack Obama was much more competitive in in 2008 and 2012 ... she just got torched in."

Onwards and leftwards
Throughout Clinton's book "What Happened," and in interviews over the last several days, Clinton argued that Sanders is not a Democrat. She alleged that he ran for the nomination not to help the party, but to "disrupt" it.

And by that measure, she says, he succeeded.

Mollineau argues that Sanders and others eager to challenge the party establishment "can't have it both ways."

"If you want to affect change within the Democratic Party than you need to become closer to the Democratic Party – you can't lob bombs from outside," Mollineau said, adding that while Sanders "could have been doing more to change the Democratic Party from within" throughout his years in Congress, "he just chose not to."

But while Clinton's career in public office is likely over, Sanders still remains a powerful force in national politics. For several months, he's held the mantle as the most popular politician in the country.

Many Democrats, including Jill Filipovic, an author and liberal commentator, argue that it is now Sanders' responsibility to unite the left.

"Sanders has positioned himself as a leader for the future of the left, and his followers agree, with near-messianic worship," Fillipovic wrote in a CNN column. "Embracing the whole left would be a good place for him to start."

But as Thomas Edsall pointed out in a recent New York Times column, there is evidence that progressives have only moved farther left since the election. He cites Pew Research Center data that shows that Democratic voters — particularly whites, Millennials, and post-grads — are much more eager to label themselves "liberal" in 2017 than they were in past years.

And while the left has seen a resurgence in support since November, the money and energy that's flowing into the party is going to Sanders' Our Revolution organization and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, rather than the Democratic National Committee, which is suffering somewhat of a crisis of credibility post-2016.

While Mollineau admits that there are "ideological battles" that will likely be fought in the coming months and years, the tension between Clinton and Sanders won't necessarily remain central.

Although he doesn't put it past campaigns or super PACs to use lingering 2016 tension to "gain a tactical advantage" by aligning a candidate with Clinton or Sanders in an effort to alienate the others' supporters.

"It wouldn't surprise me, it's just a matter of how powerful that is and whether or not voters have moved on by then," he said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-2020-2017-9
Holy cheese and crackers, Batman! Listen to those Democrats whine! Instead of trying to slough off the responsibility for uniting progressives onto Sanders, maybe they could move to the Left themselves?!

Shows pretty clearly where their loyalties lie, and they aren't with their rank and file voters.

So if Bernie succeeds in uniting progressives behind him, WTF will we need the Democratic Party for? It sounds to me like they'd rather be irrelevant than actually represent their base!
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
What it is used for is completely irrelevant. Using it at all is what sets the precedent. If you don't think Republicans would use every available legal/illegal, unprecedented or not option available to them to push their agenda forward, you're retarded.
Nope.

Sorry you don't get it.
 
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londonfog

Well-Known Member
You better get your 40 psychiatric visits before trumpcare kicks into place.

That's one of the things to be taken away.
Unlike yourself I'm covered by my wife's excellent insurance. Let me know if they are taking away preexisting and coverage for children until 25.
Folks like yourself better prepare.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
@ttystikk , @schuylaar , @Tim Fox , @Padawanbater2

Do you realize that Citizens United was a Republican right wing lawsuit and the only reason they won the suit which opened the doors to today's campaign contributions corruption was because Republican appointees outnumbered Democrats on the bench by a 6-3 margin? All recent Republican appointees voted in the decision for CU. None of the Democratic appointees vote for it.

Did you know that Bernie Sanders' bill that would have repealed CU failed because of a Republican filibuster? Every Democratic Senator supported Bernies bill to repeal CU

The only reason for the current campaign financing situation, which I agree is abominable is because of Republicans. Yet you blame Democrats.

Yes, I'm calling you all fools.

Republicans are the cause of the problems of today. You tear at Democrats. It's similar to scratching at the paint of a car to punish it for the brakes failing.

I support all of Bernie's policies but want more than just economic progress. Social justice issues such as those embodied in Black Lives Matter and women's rights won't be addressed by merely improving economic conditions. Given the diversity of the candidates they support and recent successes of black men winning mayoral contests in the deep south, I think the "Our Revolution" reform effort might be more than what Bernie is. I'm watching with hope.

I have no hope in you guys. You are losers. The problems in this country are due to extreme right wing Republicans, not Democrats. Reform won't happen unless Democrats come together. You guys talk about exclusion.
why do you even bother. I just call them stupid and wait for @st0wandgrow @schuylaar to claim it along with the other Bernie Babies
 

st0wandgrow

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man i never thought in 2020 when Bernie is elected that we would have even MORE mess to clean up after 45 and his crownies get done with things, this new budget and tax cuts is going to really really hurt people,,, I work with the sick and the dieing , in home care,, and i see the plight of the sick and poor daily,,, this is going to hurt them so bad,, ill be there,, to hold thier hands,,
There’s a great program in Medicine Hat Alberta that has effectively ended homelessness. Any person without a home is placed in a govt funded home of their own and is given job training. Within 2 years they got everyone off of the street and in to homes. It’s actually saved the city money to do this!

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3949030
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Holy cheese and crackers, Batman! Listen to those Democrats whine! Instead of trying to slough off the responsibility for uniting progressives onto Sanders, maybe they could move to the Left themselves?!

Shows pretty clearly where their loyalties lie, and they aren't with their rank and file voters.

So if Bernie succeeds in uniting progressives behind him, WTF will we need the Democratic Party for? It sounds to me like they'd rather be irrelevant than actually represent their base!
Bernie is a very divisive politician. I'm hopeful his "Our Revolution" reform effort becomes more than he is.
 
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