convince me led is worth it.

[key4]

You 2 still going at it lol.

 

[G.V]

You 2 still going at it lol.

I'm supposed to be on the ignore list, really was the only reason I even replied to the thread.

Boy cant resist chewing on my leg. Should just ignore it I suppose.

 

[key4]

@G.V @lukio
You really should just ignore each other. Nobody wins in a argument like this theres no real numbers or data. Its not a debate its just bitching.

and anyway im off to go check a decent size grow today and my electricity bill is £0 so i win...

(and no ive not rigged the leccy lol)

 

[ANC]

Let them fight!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[G.V]

You really should just ignore each other

Exactly what I said, and to some extent it was agreed. As I say mate, the boy cant resist. I just reply to thread, then next thing I know I have some nasty little remark.

I'll do me best though.

 

[lukio]

ive put him back on ignore. should of left him there with the likes of yodaweed and Dr No mates.

sorry peeps

 

[lukio]

im off to go check a decent size grow today

next year key4, imma try oudoors!

 

[G.V]

ive put him back on ignore

For the 4th time. Stick to it this time for all our sakes.

 

[ttystikk]

For the 4th time. Stick to it this time for all our sakes.

You could do with being a bit less noxious yourself. Takes two to argue. Just sayin'

For the record, I've grown with SE HPS, and both 860W CDM on mag and LFSW, and 315W CMH. They worked well, but nowhere near as well as COB LED.

I'm through growing with bulbs, not only for the energy savings- which is more or less irrelevant for this crop anyway- but for the improvement in quality of the product.

I don't expect this to end any debate, but I did want to add my personal experience to the discussion.

 

[G.V]

You could do with being a bit less noxious yourself.

I don't want to be at arms with another member, so what I am about to say I say with all due respect. However..


I don't see how I am your chosen target in making your point, personally I think it would have been much wiser to direct to someone whom you speak with regular here, if your goal is peace.

The fact that it was previously agreed several times on threads and by PM that we would ignore each other, and that several times now Lukio has been the one to break that agreement, this means I must be the subject of your point? I have left it be from the off.

Again, with all due respect you have invited yourself into this as it has ended so I think I am fair in replying in kind. You were there last time this happened and I was quoted and mouthed of for no reason whilst just trying to add something to a thread, and once again the agreement was to ignore each other in future. Yet here we are again.


I can not be held responsible for Lukio's inability to not get nasty. If your genuinely trying to add anything positive to help the situation maybe you could PM Lukio and politely tell him I am not worth his time and its best to just leave me be. As I have pleaded from the very beginning.


As for the lighting advice. I will soon be able to judge the quality of high end LED against CDM myself. Rather than argue about I have decided to see for myself how good these Quantum Boards are, and the very next time HLG have some in stock I will order some.

 

[lukio]

@key4 do you not mind smoking the outdoor? do you not find it a bit fluffy? or do you make concentrates? The only time ive grown outdoors i was 15 and had no clue! ive got a plot in mind...how are yours looking this year?

 

[key4]

@key4 do you not mind smoking the outdoor? do you not find it a bit fluffy? or do you make concentrates? The only time ive grown outdoors i was 15 and had no clue! ive got a plot in mind...how are yours looking this year?

Hit and miss , you get the fluffy phenos like you do indoor and on a year like this year ive lost 70% of my crop so far to mould.We have the Some great companys now making strains . Just do a couple hundred and plan it properly you will get as many boxes as you can be arsed trimming.

The high of outdoor cannot be matched by any artificial light source either. Its balanced.


Off topic but ...

 

[lukio]

Hit and miss , you get the fluffy phenos like you do indoor and on a year like this year ive lost 70% of my crop so far to mould.We have the Some great companys now making strains . Just do a couple hundred and plan it properly you will get as many boxes as you can be arsed trimming.

The high of outdoor cannot be matched by any artificial light source either. Its balanced.
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Off topic but ...

sounds good to me! nice lookin bud, too

I'll get reading. thanks

 

[G.V]

70% of my crop so far to mould

Ouch mate. I thought a bud or two was a downer.

Piss poor that. I know its common outdoors, mother nature and all that. But Jesus wept. No products aimed at reducing this for outdoor growers yet?

 

[ANC]

Same thing that works indoors works outdoors. Feed calcium chelate to increase resistance to mold

 

[CCCmints]

Mate tbh, I would love a COB build. Its just the size of my groom. Calculate the amount of COB's I would need for the 3.4m x 2.4m area, I did do it once and its quite a few. 50 something I do believe.

I had a great design based around GrowMau5's 12 COB design on one of his vids, only I had intended on turning them into bars to run the length of the groom.

Sadly it was SO immense of a build and such a huge outlay I had to be realistic about what I wanted to get. And for my £1200 and no hassle install of HID I am getting more than I wanted.


All that said mate, once I have the new gaff I want 4 DWC singles running autos in a 1.2 all year round. So you may see me with either a COB or QB build yet.

What does annoy me most is that I have access to the equipment to make a spectacular framework for the build, so trust me when I say I have been itching to give the diy a bash.

DIY COB LED starts to become really cost efficient when outfitting a larger space than say a 4'x2' tent since the manufacturers of heat sinks, diodes, drivers, etc. all offer fantastic bulk pricing. When I priced everything out for my 90 COB, 10 fixture design I got the price down to $1/watt.

 

[G.V]

DIY COB LED starts to become really cost efficient when outfitting a larger space than say a 4'x2' tent since the manufacturers of heat sinks, diodes, drivers, etc. all offer fantastic bulk pricing. When I priced everything out for my 90 COB, 10 fixture design I got the price down to $1/watt.

I did get a few prices on bulk heat sinks and cob holders as I couldn't get them in those amounts in the UK anyway, and the price wasn't too bad. Still much higher than what I ended up with, but cheaper than the cost of doing an all QB groom.

For QB it was about £2500 I think, my current setup cost me £1200. And the QB would have used no less wattage annually. So I can only assume the COB's would give me a similar outcome. Although they would without a doubt be cheaper than QB.

 

[nogod_]

Then your design is flawed.

And the QB would have used no less wattage annually.

 

[CCCmints]

I did get a few prices on bulk heat sinks and cob holders as I couldn't get them in those amounts in the UK anyway, and the price wasn't too bad. Still much higher than what I ended up with, but cheaper than the cost of doing an all QB groom.

For QB it was about £2500 I think, my current setup cost me £1200. And the QB would have used no less wattage annually. So I can only assume the COB's would give me a similar outcome. Although they would without a doubt be cheaper than QB.

What's your current setup? How much did the heat sinks you use cost per piece? The $1/watt figure is based on a fixture with what I found to be the highest quality components. For instance, the heat sinks I chose for the design would run me $16/pc @ bulk pricing while others gravitate towards cpu coolers or the like which are much, much cheaper.

 

[G.V]

Then your design is flawed.

I would welcome any advice on how get the same buds for less wattage.

Room is 3.4 x 2.4. Currently veg under 630w of CMH for 7-9 weeks, then bloom for the average 9-10 weeks using the 630w of CMH and the Two 1000w de Dimlux units.

I don't believe 4 x 4QB units will cover that area very well, so I used the info on HLG and Chilled to gather the amount of QB I would need and came to the conclusion I would need 20 boards in total to cover my area.

I am aware you can turn down the QB's to draw less wattage. But even at 25% the suggested maximum draw according to HLG I would be vegging at 650w. The same as the two CMH.

I know my maths isn't exact. But as I say I welcome your advice.