10,000 Watt 10 Plant 13 Gallon Rdwc [3d Model Incl. Inside Thread]

[atriumfall1]

LED grows fire that's been established. I'd like to hear a more technical argument in favor of HPS. Both systems have been proven to grow high quality weed. Which one does it better is the question...

No LED grows shitty ass stressed out weed because everyone assumes the room temp should be 77 when in reality it needs to be 85. But the fact is the leds capable of producing this do not make much sense

 

[CCCmints]

No. Theres only so much light a plant can absorb its called science. When a plant gets too much light there is something called bleach which is a fancy way to say the plant is dying from light. Its basic anatomy. If you have one plant with two gavitas and you train the single plant it will not get 8lbs of premium quality bud. Its just not possible. Indoor the most ive ever seen was a little over three lbs of say og and 5lbs of indica. These babies were also vegged for three months and they were given ample light with tip top nutrients. Light increases the need for nutrition. So when you factor the cost of electricity this is just dumb as i get six harvests a year. To your three. I also get huge nugs and smell with loaded resins. Its not about light or fancy ass equipment. Its about technique

No LED grows shitty ass stressed out weed because everyone assumes the room temp should be 77 when in reality it needs to be 85. But the fact is the leds capable of producing this do not make much sense

You really just don't understand. It isn't up for debate. People are learning that by giving a plant more light than conventionally suggested they are able to get more out of their plant. How much light is too much though? Where is the scientific reference for that? Obviously there is a point where too much light is an issue. You just assume based off nothing that what I've proposed is too much light.

About LED growing "shitty ass stressed out weed" again, you don't know what you're talking about. Why would you need your light to output more heat for you to get your room temperature up? See...its shit like this that screams "idk what I'm talking about".

 

[GreenLogician]

Why would you need your light to output more heat for you to get your room temperature up?

I grow in a tent and don't have room in there for a heater. That's why I found that in winter I was heating my whole room with a heater to warm it up for my cobs.

 

[CCCmints]

I grow in a tent and don't have room in there for a heater. That's why I found that in winter I was heating my whole room with a heater to warm it up for my cobs.

I understand your specific situation but that affects a tiny, tiny population of LED growers. We can't say LED as a whole grows shitty stressed out weed because the COBs produce less heat than HPS and its a challenge to heat the grow room a bit when needed. That is honestly an absurd, comical statement. But I knew I'd get people shitting on LED when I decided to go this route. I also knew none of these people would have technical arguments for why LED isn't a good choice.

 

[Enigma]

No. Theres only so much light a plant can absorb its called science. When a plant gets too much light there is something called bleach which is a fancy way to say the plant is dying from light. Its basic anatomy. If you have one plant with two gavitas and you train the single plant it will not get 8lbs of premium quality bud. Its just not possible. Indoor the most ive ever seen was a little over three lbs of say og and 5lbs of indica. These babies were also vegged for three months and they were given ample light with tip top nutrients. Light increases the need for nutrition. So when you factor the cost of electricity this is just dumb as i get six harvests a year. To your three. I also get huge nugs and smell with loaded resins. Its not about light or fancy ass equipment. Its about technique

Explain plant bleaching without googling it.

Betcha can't!

 

[ttystikk]

No. Theres only so much light a plant can absorb its called science. When a plant gets too much light there is something called bleach which is a fancy way to say the plant is dying from light. Its basic anatomy. If you have one plant with two gavitas and you train the single plant it will not get 8lbs of premium quality bud. Its just not possible. Indoor the most ive ever seen was a little over three lbs of say og and 5lbs of indica. These babies were also vegged for three months and they were given ample light with tip top nutrients. Light increases the need for nutrition. So when you factor the cost of electricity this is just dumb as i get six harvests a year. To your three. I also get huge nugs and smell with loaded resins. Its not about light or fancy ass equipment. Its about technique

Don't be so quick to make such pronouncements. I've pulled 6 1/2 crops a year with plants that took 3 months to veg; I just ran a perpetual. Each plant was between one and two lb. When I'm able to try again, I'm thinking I can hit three pounds per plant.

 

[ttystikk]

No LED grows shitty ass stressed out weed because everyone assumes the room temp should be 77 when in reality it needs to be 85. But the fact is the leds capable of producing this do not make much sense

This is wrong and out of date information. You'd do well to stick to topics you know well and leave the rest to those with experience...

For example, I grew the plants referred to in the above post with LED.

 

[atriumfall1]

This is wrong and out of date information. You'd do well to stick to topics you know well and leave the rest to those with experience...

For example, I grew the plants referred to in the above post with LED.

Right on man... Your full of it but whatever....

 

[a mongo frog]

Why would you need your light to output more heat for you to get your room temperature up?

Because on a room the size your talking about, (where you originally thought HPS was what you were going to do)
Its going to be super easy to run to cool. Happens all the time even in hps rooms. Cold rooms get stressed out big time and will.
You originally said 30x20 foot room or something and now with only 6000 watts. Dudes wrong about LED lights we all know that, but he's right about running to cold.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Right on man... Your full of it but whatever....

we have all seen ttystikk's huge colas. You dont have to agree with his politics but if ya going to argue "how to grow" then your going to have to step up.

"your full of it" wont be enough.

 

[ttystikk]

we have all seen ttystikk's huge colas. You dont have to agree with his politics but if ya going to argue "how to grow" then your going to have to step up.

"your full of it" wont be enough.

Yuge. Bigly.


I'm not sure if I've ever seen him put up a pic.

EDIT: for scale, the squares on the trellis are 4", or three per foot. The plant is 6' tall, counting from the top of the 5 gallon bucket it was grown in.

 

[rayuki]

Yuge. Bigly.
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I'm not sure if I've ever seen him put up a pic.

EDIT: for scale, the squares on the trellis are 4", or three per foot. The plant is 6' tall, counting from the top of the 5 gallon bucket it was grown in.

Wait let me comprehend what I'm seeing here, your growing up a trellis, vertically? Wow I didn't know you could do that i love it when I find something new to look into lol.

 

[ttystikk]

Wait let me comprehend what I'm seeing here, your growing up a trellis, vertically? Wow I didn't know you could do that i love it when I find something new to look into lol.

That's right. That specimen pulled about 24oz, I've gotten as much as 32 per plant.

 

[ttystikk]

Wait let me comprehend what I'm seeing here, your growing up a trellis, vertically? Wow I didn't know you could do that i love it when I find something new to look into lol.

Here's another pic, to show how things work together;

She's two steps up a stool in that pic, the tops of the plants are about 90" above the floor.

 

[BabyLobsterito]

I love when people make the argument "LEDs are shitty/grow shitty weed". 80% of the time, their "Experience" is a couple hours on google image search or youtube, not knowing NEARLY where to start, but no physical experience. The other 20% is a mix of people who buy the cheapest generic "GROW LIGHTS HYDROPONIC FULL SPECTRUM" knock-off panels that pop up on ebay/amazon, the people who buy what's popular in magazines/social media/what the "Professionals" are using/advertising, the people who do some research but cheap out on parts/buy the wrong parts or bad makers/models, or don't research enough of the technical/engineering aspects and make a physical mistake, and the people who do a relatively decent amount of research and think they know it all without properly putting variables into play, and go full overkill. It's the same mentality as people on Amazon giving products negative reviews because of certain features or the product as a whole, but in reality they just have no fucking clue what they're talking about or how to properly use the product, and are to arrogant/ignorant to be told otherwise(e.g. " This router is a piece of shit. It says it supports up to 500mbps, but my internet is still barely getting 15mbps. It doesn't make it any faster, *insert snarky rating here*).
@ttystikk , I see you have a good mindset I'll be subbing for sure.

 

[BabyLobsterito]

@CCCmints You as well. Good to see there are still people on here who believe in educated conversation instead of bashing each other and trying to have a dick measuring contest...

 

[ttystikk]

I love when people make the argument "LEDs are shitty/grow shitty weed". 80% of the time, their "Experience" is a couple hours on google image search or youtube, not knowing NEARLY where to start, but no physical experience. The other 20% is a mix of people who buy the cheapest generic "GROW LIGHTS HYDROPONIC FULL SPECTRUM" knock-off panels that pop up on ebay/amazon, the people who buy what's popular in magazines/social media/what the "Professionals" are using/advertising, the people who do some research but cheap out on parts/buy the wrong parts or bad makers/models, or don't research enough of the technical/engineering aspects and make a physical mistake, and the people who do a relatively decent amount of research and think they know it all without properly putting variables into play, and go full overkill. It's the same mentality as people on Amazon giving products negative reviews because of certain features or the product as a whole, but in reality they just have no fucking clue what they're talking about or how to properly use the product, and are to arrogant/ignorant to be told otherwise(e.g. " This router is a piece of shit. It says it supports up to 500mbps, but my internet is still barely getting 15mbps. It doesn't make it any faster, *insert snarky rating here*).
@ttystikk , I see you have a good mindset I'll be subbing for sure.

Thanks for the kind words, and welcome to RIU- I have a feeling you'll fit in just fine around here!

 

[BabyLobsterito]

Thank you as well! I feel like I'll find my people here for sure.

 

[CCCmints]

Because on a room the size your talking about, (where you originally thought HPS was what you were going to do)
Its going to be super easy to run to cool. Happens all the time even in hps rooms. Cold rooms get stressed out big time and will.
You originally said 30x20 foot room or something and now with only 6000 watts. Dudes wrong about LED lights we all know that, but he's right about running to cold.

I would rather have cool lights with higher efficiency and longer life with a heater than the alternative.
I see lights running cool as a big positive.

 

[a mongo frog]

I would rather have cool lights with higher efficiency and longer life with a heater

If thats your answer then run 1 DE man, seriously. A 1000 watt heater doesn't grow bud friend.

I see lights running cool as a big positive.

Yea in a proper sized room it's off the hook.