Mark Blyth, the economist who's making sense

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srh88

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I'm not against same sex marriage ---- legally. If you look at scripture, Jesus would say the same: see Peter 5:1-3

Personally I don't believe in it or encourage it.

Abortion? I can still be a consistent pro-life libertarian. It really comes down to this: it comes down to whether or not you believe the baby developing in the womb counts as a human being. I happen to believe that a baby IS a human being and therefore killing it (out of an accident/convenience -- 99%+ of abortions) would be murder.
1 Peter 5:1-3King James Version (KJV)
5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.

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st0wandgrow

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I'm not against same sex marriage ---- legally. If you look at scripture, Jesus would say the same: see Peter 5:1-3

Personally I don't believe in it or encourage it.

Abortion? I can still be a consistent pro-life libertarian. It really comes down to this: it comes down to whether or not you believe the baby developing in the womb counts as a human being. I happen to believe that a baby IS a human being and therefore killing it (out of an accident/convenience -- 99%+ of abortions) would be murder.
You can hold those personal beliefs, but the line is drawn with whether or not you think big brother should outlaw either.
 

Green Bud Smurfy

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You can hold those personal beliefs, but the line is drawn with whether or not you think big brother should outlaw either.
Well I don't believe in violent crime. That's where the line is drawn between Libertarian and Anarchist. Can't have murderers running around killing everybody

And other than abortion, I really don't care for the drug war or prositution laws. It's wrong but at least it's not harming people deliberately.
 

Fogdog

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Well I don't believe in violent crime. That's where the line is drawn between Libertarian and Anarchist. Can't have murderers running around killing everybody

And other than abortion, I really don't care for the drug war or prositution laws. It's wrong but at least it's not harming people deliberately.
so, if somebody has a business is it ok for them to deny black people their services if they don't like their kind?
 

ttystikk

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Wow. You really think the term "fascist" is exclusive to right-wing loonies?

The definition of fascism can be found here (Marriam-Webster Dictionary): a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.


We already compared two types of fascists: Nazis and Marxists (who happen to be on the left) and found many UNDENIABLE SIMILARITIES. Such as:
- no free speech - fascist
- no elections - fascist
- no economic freedom - fascist
- Identity politics ( Karl Marx wrote in The Communist Manifesto that the classes of people are reduced to two classes, that of the “(selfish, greedy) haves vs. (honorable) have nots”. As for the Nazis, they had a Jew problem)

IN CONTRARY,
Right wing / conservatism is supposed to be founded on the ideas of PERSONAL liberty and PERSONAL property rights. Part of the philosophy behind that is because the founding fathers believed that "all men were created equal" and have the inalienable right to "pursuit of happiness" (granted that "happiness" isn't murdering people; that's where the line is drawn between a libertarian society and anarchy). Martin Luther King, a strong Republican, said that we ought to judge a man on his character and not by his skin.

SUMMARY:
Right wing libertarians have an INDIVIDUALIST philosophy, and that has NOTHING TO DO WITH FASCISM. because conservatives are supposed to see people as INDIVIDUALS. (as in: not judging people into groups) The libertarian philosophy is the total opposite of identity politics that Marxism relies on (have's vs. have nots).

STOP CONFUSING CONSERVATIVE LIBERTARIANS WITH NAZIS!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE AT ALL!!!!!
They both seem to exalt the rich above all else and give political power power in return for it.

Close enough for me.
 

ttystikk

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I'm not against same sex marriage ---- legally. If you look at scripture, Jesus would say the same: see Peter 5:1-3

Personally I don't believe in it or encourage it.

Abortion? I can still be a consistent pro-life libertarian. It really comes down to this: it comes down to whether or not you believe the baby developing in the womb counts as a human being. I happen to believe that a baby IS a human being and therefore killing it (out of an accident/convenience -- 99%+ of abortions) would be murder.
And what about Mom? Since you never mention her, it's apparent that her rights and needs matter nothing to you.

What about the life the kid has after it's born?

The right wingers are awfully sanguine about letting them grow up in desperate poverty, without adequate food, healthcare or education.

Seems pretty fucking hypocritical to me.
 

PCXV

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Well I don't believe in violent crime. That's where the line is drawn between Libertarian and Anarchist. Can't have murderers running around killing everybody

And other than abortion, I really don't care for the drug war or prositution laws. It's wrong but at least it's not harming people deliberately.
So you do or don't think abortion is murder?
 

ttystikk

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Cross posted from the collapse thread;

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/31/george_monbiot_we_cant_be_silent

The economic implications of endless growth on a finite planet are obvious the moment one stops to think about it, so why is the mass media absolutely silent about the most pressing issue of our time?

Follow the money... Maybe neoliberal capitalism is a bankrupt system driving us over the cliff to ruin and collapse.

Collective ownership of and sustainable resource management is the alternative suggested.
 

schuylaar

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And if it is, why won't the right wing take care of Mom and child?

Why the complete divesture of responsibility and accountability for the consequences of policy?
because of me, me, me's..its someone elses problem once theyre here. they just need to follow ancient book of rules that existed when people lived in caves..so he who ends with most toys wins and gets to heaven wooooooooohoooooooo!

we need to keep the worlds unborn babies to make the religious have good 'feelz'.
 
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schuylaar

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I'm not against same sex marriage ---- legally. If you look at scripture, Jesus would say the same: see Peter 5:1-3

Personally I don't believe in it or encourage it.

Abortion? I can still be a consistent pro-life libertarian. It really comes down to this: it comes down to whether or not you believe the baby developing in the womb counts as a human being. I happen to believe that a baby IS a human being and therefore killing it (out of an accident/convenience -- 99%+ of abortions) would be murder.
its not human until it can survive outside womb..thats why its called fetus and before that, zygote.

enough with alt facts already, aka what people say when they cant handle truth and facts.
 

schuylaar

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And what about Mom? Since you never mention her, it's apparent that her rights and needs matter nothing to you.

What about the life the kid has after it's born?

The right wingers are awfully sanguine about letting them grow up in desperate poverty, without adequate food, healthcare or education.

Seems pretty fucking hypocritical to me.
according to rightie, doesn't mom need to pull her self up by her boot straps? afterall, she self-impregnated..amirite?
 
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